Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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What magic does this specifically apply to aside from Jirasd, if you remember?
I wasn't gonna go that far, but if you insist....
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Anus Volitoad: Questionable resistances
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(creates and contributes in every MG downgrade thread)
— I won't go that far to delete the profile.
Dw, it won't be too unrealistic, because you will get staff approval anyway.
— I won't go that far to delete the profile.
Dw, it won't be too unrealistic, because you will get staff approval anyway.
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Every magic, you are dealing with a magic verse, Fuji.
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Alright peeps. I really don't want to see any of you back in the RVR for this verse (or any verse, for that matter), so settle down. I will be deleting any derailing comment.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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At this point I'll just do a more organized resistance downgrade later down the line. For the time being though, I'll take a break from MG thank god to focus on other stuff instead, so idc what happens here.
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We are having peaceful conversation, no worries.
PrinceofPein
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Nooo, it has been very interesting to follow
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Want me to close this then?
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Why? The thread got a good amount of staff support to remove the abilities. (not a surprise)
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Well, I'm not the OP, so ask @DaReaperMan :v
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So, let's see what we have here:
Conclusion? As several scans you posted: Leorg used the demon king of tirany, Avos Dilhevia as the origin of his magic. Risked his life because he used the wrong name of the demon King, and such magic didn't affect Anos because it was the very origin of the magic.
Your interpretation of "Since he used the name of Avos Dilhevia, then the origin was Avos Dilhevia instead" takes too many assumptions and contradicts many statements. So, let me ask you the following questions:
Why did Anos state he didn't feel nothing because he was the origin of the magic if he supposedly didn't feel anything because he was too strong?
Why did Anos reiterate he was the one used as the origin of the magic (but with the wrong name) once he knew that his name was confused by Avos Dilhevia?
Why did all the magic caster endanger their life (something that only happens if you call the origin you're using by the wrong name) by using the origin of the Demon King of Tiranny if, according to you, they're not using Anos as an origin, but other being which is truly called Avos Dilhevia?
Short answer: Because the origin of the magic is neither Levi with the fake name of Avos Dilhevia nor Misa, who obtained such name because the rumors. The origin was, as stated many times by Anos himself, Anos. But with a wrong name
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- All of that is your headcanon
- Anos didn't knew about Avos legend until later onwards him stating in the beginning regarding origin magic doesn't work on origin doesn't Disapprove my point Anos tanking Avos legend
- If Anos didn't felt anything that's called Resistance
- Leorge didn't believed in Anos not even 1%. Everyone in Magical Era has believed Avos as demon king which is a Legend.
- Also for your reference Go back and read the scan again. Character needs to believe and it should be proven that existence exists to draw the power. Anos existence as founder was not proven but Avos was.
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I don't care, the scans and references should at least be added before it's closed.
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True enough.
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Yeah. Obviously. Scans stating that the spell didn't work because of a mechanic is headcanon.
Your opinion to give Anos an ability is obviously right. Note how you didn't answer any of the questions I asked for your thing to make sense
Yet he still stated the origin of the magic was him but with a wrong name even after he learnt about Avos Dilhevia... strange
"I didn't feel anything because Origin Magic doesn't work in the origin. And since I'm the origin, it doesn't work on me regardless how powerful it is"
Doesn't matter. As Anos himself said: correct source, wrong name = endangers your life. And Leorg endangered his life. Now prove me how this is headcanon
Character believed in Demon King Existence, but it called him with the wrong name, as Anos himself stated. Therefore, the power became dangerous. Do you need something more explicit than that? If character didn't believe in Anos, therefore Anos is not the origin of the magic used, I'm going to ask this question to you again: What's the point of Anos stating he's the origin of the magic, and since the origin magic doesn't work on the origin himself, it didn't work on him? Anos knew Leorg didn't consider him to be the true leader. So, according to you, Anos, who gave the explanation of how Origin Magic works, wouldn't believe the origin of magic was himself (in case it wasn't). So, why did he? Another inconsistence
The problem is: you're not correcting people, but spreading missinformation
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No, Anos did not know anything about Avos at that scene. He learned about it way later
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This is my last reply.
Anyway I am done you can just keep on going on about how Anos got got hit by Anos Origin magic when It's clearly mentioned only proven Existence power can be summoned.
Origin magic itself is a spell which puts caster in life or death situation. You claiming he put himself at danger because of Avos is complete Headcanon
Origin Magic needs an Existence to be proven to summon the power in this case only existence proven was Avos.
Not to mention all information which Leorge had was regarding Avos in Otherwords spell which he Summoned using Origin magic wouldn't give same power as Anos origin magic especially he also believed in Avos.
Anyway I am done you can just keep on going on about how Anos got got hit by Anos Origin magic when It's clearly mentioned only proven Existence power can be summoned.
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It would be entirely incorrect to assume that Anos had any prior knowledge about Avos. He only had a vague sense that something was amiss, and it was only during his battle against Lay in the tournament that he truly learned about Avos.
I can comprehend Elde's viewpoint. I believe he is trying to convey that Avos Origin is not the same as Anos Origin, as the demon brother doesn't even believe that Anos is his true origin. The power of origin magic or abilities only functions if what you believe in actually exists, and Avos Origin undeniably exists.
I can comprehend Elde's viewpoint. I believe he is trying to convey that Avos Origin is not the same as Anos Origin, as the demon brother doesn't even believe that Anos is his true origin. The power of origin magic or abilities only functions if what you believe in actually exists, and Avos Origin undeniably exists.
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Anyway, so how does the verse work exactly? I'm currently seeing conflicting arguments regarding the mechanic.
Outside of that, it shouldn't be too difficult to have anime be used as secondary, if it's possible to prove both can be used for each other then I recommend doing so, since anime probably gives a better visualization of what happens. (As in, making a CRT to be safe).
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Not really, @DaReaperMan as long as you are not sending standards, the argument of "ay, it is not allowed, or no we don't operate like that" is meaningless.
The electricity part is done,
Whats next?
The electricity part is done,
Whats next?
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Well ya said anti-magic does the rest so just grab scans and references of Anti-magic ******* those abilities over and explain in each why Anos scales
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When we needed Tatsumi, he literally collects every scan in the universe, but no he got banned F.
I will check tmr since it's late for me, 1 am.
But one thing I can remember, I think, in the fight between Avos and Anos, there should be some fire manipulation usage.
I will check tmr since it's late for me, 1 am.
But one thing I can remember, I think, in the fight between Avos and Anos, there should be some fire manipulation usage.
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It's sad when you ignore your own scans...
Source? Because all implies it was Anos with the wrong name
I'm still waiting you to give the source which stated Leorge used the origin magic from Avos instead of Anos, despite Anos stating the opposite, magic endangering his life because he called the origin with the wrong name (which wouldn't be the case if he used Avos as an origin), and Anos stating the magic didn't work on him because he was the origin and, therefore, immune.
Once you can justify all of that with facts, not your baseless headcanon, then I'd concede you're right. But it seems you don't want to debate when things go against you
Yeah. Sorry, but I prefer to use the interpretation which was explicitely stated by the very Anos instead of one headcanon which creates nothing but contradictions just to give Anos resistance to electricity manipulation.
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Count me as agree for removing lightning manipulation, at least in regards with Jirasd feat. The interpretation of Avos being used as an origin instead of Anos just doesn't sit well with me, especially when there's alot of statements saying otherwise.
The main contention here which is Leorge getting the name of origin wrong is heavily misunderstood. Its been established that when using Origin magic there's bound to be discrepancies between the origin and the casters knowledge about the origin which may result in a weaker effect of the magic or even more depending on how large the gap is. However, that doesn't mean the origin they're borrowing from would change accordingly. In this case Leorge got the name wrong but at the very core he's still borrowing a spell developed by Anos himself.
The main contention here which is Leorge getting the name of origin wrong is heavily misunderstood. Its been established that when using Origin magic there's bound to be discrepancies between the origin and the casters knowledge about the origin which may result in a weaker effect of the magic or even more depending on how large the gap is. However, that doesn't mean the origin they're borrowing from would change accordingly. In this case Leorge got the name wrong but at the very core he's still borrowing a spell developed by Anos himself.
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How? Did you even watch the series or even the first episode? None except Misha know that Anos is real demon King (even then, she did not believe it much in the first scenes), the rest of people literally believed in false one, aka Avos who pretends to be Anos.
And Leorge obviously did not even believe Anos is his demon King, hell the whole fight was him fighting against Anos, because Anos was telling some extraordinary claims such as he is claiming that he is their demon king (beside mocking since he is hybrid/misfit)
Or I am misunderstanding the sentence that you are implying the wrong name is indeed Avos.
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His point is, whether it is avos or anos, it is just a name, Anos is still the origin so the magic will not work against him regardless
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Won't that be immunity to magic and all its respective abilities?
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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No, it's a weakness of origin magic. If Anos was hit with a non-origin magic spell, he wouldn't necessarily resist it.
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He didn't just get the name wrong, Avos isn't just a different name, and someone else, even things from the past were completely swapped for another, with people believing things about the demon king that Anos never did or never thought of in such a way, and a completely different person at all.
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No, that will be verse mechanics and will not grant him resistance to abilities related to magic outside the verse since he is not the origin of those magics too
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Origin spells can still affect Anos as they don't use your origin power.
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Alright
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This whole "Leorge got the origin's name wrong so he must be borrowing from a different origin" already contradicts itself.
If that's the case why would Leorge need to pay the price of almost losing his life if he was borrowing from a completely different person/origin? If he was indeed using Avos as an origin there should've been no reason for him to get the origin's(Avos) name wrong and suffer its penalty. It just makes no sense.
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Everything about what demons know about Avos isn't real either, personality, deeds, history, etc. Even those things the demons know about him are lies.
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I get the history being false and all but the point is how exactly does that make Avos the origin Leorge borrowed from?
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Because no one knows that Anos is the demon king, everyone thinks that Avos is the demon king, and that's why if someone tries to take power from the source of the demon king, they will take it from the source of Avos, because everyone thinks that Avos was the king demon from 2000 years ago.
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This information is known if you simply watched first episode. Lol
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Fujiwara said she will be making a downgrade to take all the wrong resistances later so this can be closed and the scans added for the time being... Which doesn't change much because they will be deleted later
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