Bakugou vs Todoroki

[Mickey1940]

Hopefully fair

Nothing restricted, meaning Todoroki's High 8C, 8B, and Low 7C stuff not restricted

Nothing equalized

In-character, and willing to kill

30 minutes prep

Hero costumes included


Location: random wasteland


Who wins?

Lord Explosion Murder:

Cold and Hot Soba Man: 3

 

[SpookyShadow]

Shouto one shots with his Giant Ice Wall. That already happened in canon btw and Katsuki won (even tho Shouto was holding back)

 

[Mickey1940]

Shouto one shots with his Giant Ice Wall. That already happened in canon btw and Katsuki won (even tho Shouto was holding back)

yeah but both got stronger over time and Todoroki didn't use fire

 

[Phoenks]

Shouto stomps with ice wall gg

 

[SpookyShadow]

Does he even use it in character? Shouto don't like to involve innocent people in a fight, and Ice Wall got some huge AoE

 

[Phoenks]

It dosent even matter if bakugou cant hurt him. With half cold he goes up to 8-B. Plus his durability is actually more against fire attacks.

 

[SpookyShadow]

Explosions aren't fully fire attacks.

 

[Phoenks]

Also giant ice wall should be in character for him to use to block attacks that could harm him.

 

[SpookyShadow]

Depends on the location. If it's city, Shouto is going to fully hold back with it to not harm other people.

 

[Phoenks]

Can he not just make a smaller ice wall?

 

[SpookyShadow]

That would make it's AP lower though. Of course, he is able to and you're right. But Katsuki has shown to be able to counter Shouto's ice. Well, they fought so we can see.

 

[Phoenks]

I still think shouto has this, he can just freeze bakugou and porbably burn him to a crisp too, and bakugous explosions will do alot less damage if shouto just makes small ice smalls to protect himself. I dont see a way bakugou can take this.

 

[SpookyShadow]

Remember Shouto's ice is not infinite to use. He has limits, it would heavily lower his body temperature and probably knock him unconscious. Howitzer Impact can easily destroy some ice walls and eventually go to Shouto, he is a long-ranged fighter and Katsuki is a close-ranged fighter. Also Katsuki is getting stronger as the fight progresses because of sweats, that gives him quite advantage. It's very out of character for Shouto to actually spam his attacks in a fight.

Also note that Katsuki can fly (therefore more mobility) and already has big knowledge on Shouto's abilties. Combined with his battle intellect and analytical abiltiies he can definitely overcome threats such as Ice or Fire. It's also possible for him to outlast Shouto.

 

[Mickey1940]

changed location to a random wasteland

 

[Phoenks]

Oh forgot to reply to this... Since this is now random wasteland, Todoroki no longer has to hold back. Btw shouto can also increase mobility via sliding on ice. The knowledge thing goes both ways aswell. Also how would Bakugou get out of being completely frozen before Todoroki ends him?

 

[Bob8999]

a few seconds? he can cause explosions by sweating. and as far as i can tell he can force himself to sweat (how else would he produce large explosions without his gauntlets?), so i imagine being frozen wouldnt mean much. also if we use their previous fight as a refrence bakugou should take this.

 

[Ayewale]

Todoroki wins via Ice Wall one-shot. This even happened in canon.

 

[Bob8999]

Todoroki wins via Ice Wall one-shot. This even happened in canon.

when? i dont remember this.

oh wait are you referring to the fight itself? in that case that fight had bakugou winning, he even blasted his way through one of todorokis massive ice walls.

 

[Ayewale]

Actually, I'm not sure exactly when, but a previous poster had mentioned it and he seems a good source. Shoto and Todoroki also had a fight in the manga and Shoto nearly won,but he lost because he was holding back + he wasn't using GIW.

 

[Bob8999]

yeah they did in the sports festival, and in that fight bakugou won, he even blasted his way through one of todoroki´s massive ice walls. but todoroki didnt use his fire but both should have good resistance to both heat and cold based on their powers.

 

[Ayewale]

Todoroki still was clearly not going at full power, and Bakugo was even infuriated about it at the end of the match.

 

[Bob8999]

true, and thats what makes this intresting this more of a: ┬¿what if xxx hadnt decided to hold back?┬¿ or ┬¿what if they fought now?┬¿, as opposed to a standard vs battle which is just ┬¿what if xxx fought xxx?┬¿, moving on, based on their profiles todoroki hasnt improved since their fight (hence him only having one key) where as bakugou has (hence him having two keys), basically my reasoning is as follows: weaker bakugou>held back todoroki, therefore stronger bakugou > or = full power todoroki, plus bakugou´s ap is building level+ and todoroki´s durability is only building level so a single hit from bakugou should cause massive damage, on top of that bakugu has blasted through todoroki´s ice before why couldn´t he do it again?

 

[Mickey1940]

bump

 

[Ayewale]

true, and thats what makes this intresting this more of a: ┬¿what if xxx hadnt decided to hold back?┬¿ or ┬¿what if they fought now?┬¿, as opposed to a standard vs battle which is just ┬¿what if xxx fought xxx?┬¿, moving on, based on their profiles todoroki hasnt improved since their fight (hence him only having one key) where as bakugou has (hence him having two keys), basically my reasoning is as follows: weaker bakugou>held back todoroki, therefore stronger bakugou > or = full power todoroki, plus bakugou´s ap is building level+ and todoroki´s durability is only building level so a single hit from bakugou should cause massive damage, on top of that bakugu has blasted through todoroki´s ice before why couldn´t he do it again?

Because todoroki wasn't going at full power? Bakugo barely won in the manga and that was with Todo holding back considerably. In a no holds barred death battle, it is only reasonable to assume Todoroki wins with mid/low-diff. Also, Bakugo ain't getting rid of an immediate ice wall, especially since the ice would make it impossible for him to sweat.

 

[Bob8999]

a few seconds? he can cause explosions by sweating. and as far as i can tell he can force himself to sweat (how else would he produce large explosions without his gauntlets?), so i imagine being frozen wouldnt mean much. also if we use their previous fight as a refrence bakugou should take this.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Todoroki can't hit Bakugou with a Low 7-C attack you know. In fact had he used his ice wall he probably would've lost. He can't bring all out of that power into a single point anyway.

Bakugou said it himself, his attacks are powerful but lack precision. It's called surface area, he doesn't need to overpower the entire ice wall, all he has to do is destroy the ice that matches his body size, the rest of the ice is worthless.

Todoroki is bad up close, Bakugou can easily outpace him in hand to hand and has no problem avoiding his ice attacks. The true problem here is Todoroki's fire, if pushed to far he can just bring out Endeavor level flames. That heat would destroy Bakugou, and Todoroki can raise it up instantly without any kinda tell.

Problem is that Bakugou isn't beating Todoroki at range, he needs to get close, but if he doesn't finish him fast enough, he get's vaporized. Since they're both willing to kill each other in this fight, I'm going to go with Todoroki with high-difficulty.

While Bakugou has the advantage up close, he can't survive that heat if Todoroki uses it. It was melting metal and even Tetsutetsu's heat resistance steel was going to melt.

 

[Ayewale]

First of all, yes he can, he literally used his GoW in the manga to hit him with the attack.

Second of all, even if his attacks aren't exactly precise they don't have to be; if he freezes the entire arena, Bakugo's sweat freezes up, game ove.r

At close range, Todoroki's ice freezes bakugo's sweat. Todoroki could also keep up with Stain in a CQC alleyway, and Stain is a much better martial artist than Bakugo is.

At range, Todoroki freezes Bakugo's sweat.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Todoroki can only freeze what he touches, Bakugou is going to be flying. Todoroki can't freeze him, he can't hit him with Low 7-C energy, even if he uses that attack. His Low 7-C attack is to big, the entire thing is Low 7-C, not ever centimeter of it.

Do you know what surface area is?

Todoroki can't lower the temperature of the air, he's never done that. So he can't freeze his sweat, also Bakugou sweats and ignites on command. Todoroki can't beat Bakugou with just ice, it's impossible. He needs his fire, which can ignite Bakugou's sweat before he uses it.

He wasn't even holding back his ice in the manga, he didn't use his ice wall because it doesn't work. Did you even see their fight, he made it smaller on purpose so he can focus it on Bakugo, even then it failed.

I'm unfollowing this now.

 

[Ayewale]

Jesus christ, did you not read the manga? It was directly stated that Bakugo was rather because of how cold the arena was due to Todoroki's ice. It's stated in-canon and on the quite-reliable wiki that cold is a weakness. As well, he didn't use his ice wall because he was just holding back.

In the fight against Izuku Midoriya, he more or less directly attempts to use it on Deku, for it to only fail, so it shows that he can use it.

Your reason for voting has been more or less debunked, so your vote is more or less void.

 

[Mickey1940]

Jesus christ, did you not read the manga? It was directly stated that Bakugo was rather because of how cold the arena was due to Todoroki's ice. It's stated in-canon and on the quite-reliable wiki that cold is a weakness. As well, he didn't use his ice wall because he was just holding back.
In the fight against Izuku Midoriya, he more or less directly attempts to use it on Deku, for it to only fail, so it shows that he can use it.

Your reason for voting has been more or less debunked, so your vote is more or less void.

1. Todoroki isn't going to last long in his own ice, either. In his fight with Deku, we can clearly see his body freezing over as he uses his ice side. Using his fire side won't do anything due to warming up temperatures and Bakugou's resistances to heat and explosions, so in extremely cold conditions, both have a disadvantage

2. Both Bakugou and Todoroki have moves that can 1 shot the other: Todoroki with his Ice Wall and Bakugou with his fully charged Grenaider Bracers (although he can use his strongest explosions without them, there's technically nothing stopping him from combining explosions from his Grenaider Bracers and his own natural powers, theoretically doubling his explosion size).

3. In terms of feats Bakugou takes the intelligence, striking strength, durability, and manuverability categories by a lot. So I doubt Todoroki can just 1 shot him with his Ice Wall from the get go, especially since we've seen Bakugou counter it during their canon fight. Overall, Todoroki's Glass Cannon fighting style is going to be a problem during a fight like this


Overall, saying "lol Ice Wall gg" or "Bakugou can't sweat" is a terrible arguement considering how 1. Bakugou countered Ice Wall before, and 2. Bakugou could unleash multiple explosions through the Ice Wall despite literally being encased in sweat.

 

[Ayewale]

1.That was because he didn't have his fire. He does now.

2.His fully charged Grenadier Bracers came from the fact that he was sweating a lot during the fight with Deku. Todoroki fires GIW from the beginning of the match.

3.Deku directly stated that Todoroki is the best fighter in the entire class, so him taking Intelligence is 100% a falsehood. As for manuverability, Todoroki can nuke the entire arena so maneuvering around it won't matter much if at all.Striking strength is cool and all until he gets frozen solid.

And yeah, Bakugou can't sweat. It's not a terrible argument; it's just a short one. Period. This weakness is stated in the manga at least once. And yes, Ice Wall GGs, You're not sweating much if you're literally frozen solid.

 

[Mickey1940]

1.That was because he didn't have his fire. He does now.
2.His fully charged Grenadier Bracers came from the fact that he was sweating a lot during the fight with Deku. Todoroki fires GIW from the beginning of the match.

3.Deku directly stated that Todoroki is the best fighter in the entire class, so him taking Intelligence is 100% a falsehood. As for manuverability, Todoroki can nuke the entire arena so maneuvering around it won't matter much if at all.Striking strength is cool and all until he gets frozen solid.

And yeah, Bakugou can't sweat. It's not a terrible argument; it's just a short one. Period. This weakness is stated in the manga at least once. And yes, Ice Wall GGs, You're not sweating much if you're literally frozen solid.

1. Using his fire would heat up the surrounding area, which is good for Bakugou

2. Look at the rules. There's 30 minutes of prep. I did this so both could use what they have to their utmost potential. How much do you think Bakugou can sweat in that time limit? And how much water do you think he can drink?

3. His showings clearly do not show this. Apart from Massive AOE blasts (which Bakugou has counters for), he hasn't shown much else. He has not shown any real CC and he needed Yaoyorozu's help dealing with Aizawa. For manuverability, Bakugou can basically fly, and "nuking the area" involves GIW, which Bakugou can counter

4. I don't know about you, but most people would imagine that someone encased in a small glacier wouln't be able to sweat, yet Bakugou can still blast his way out of the GIW, AND have enough sweat to land multiple more explosions and a Howitzer Impact

 

[Ayewale]

1.Todorki wouldn't use his fire. And if he did use his fire, he gets burnt to ashes.

2.Todoroki uses his GIW multiple times, then, to counter Bakugo's explosions.

3.He dealt with STAIN for god's sakes. Aizawa was also an incredible martial artist and a Pro Hero. During the fight against Compress-a VERY mobile hero-Todoroki nearly hit him dozens of times, and would have hit him if not for the fact that GIW would've hit his allies.

4.In the manga, he could not sweat due to Todoroki's ice. You can't accept this, can you?

 

[Bob8999]

3. he did not fight stain by himself he fought him with midorya and iida and even then he got stabbed multiple times, against aizaa im pretty sure he got caught despite having help and compress? hes a villian not a hero and todoroki never came even close to hitting him, compress even had enough time and space to make doubles using todoroki´s ice.

4. when is it stated or shown that bakugou couldnt sweat? i dont remember this.

 

[Ayewale]

3.There was a period in which he was fighting himself by himself and was keeping up. Todoroki came close to hitting him multiple time. And as for Compress, what does that matter, he was still keeping up with Compress.

4.It was explicitly stated that the cold makes Bakugo unable to use his quirk effectively, check the wiki.

 

[Bob8999]

3. for like 3 seconds and it was only by using his fire to keep stain at a distance and even then he still got stabbed on his fire side, so no he wasnt ¨keeping up¨. he got stabbed. how is that keeping up? again against compress he wasnt keeping up, compress managed to capture bakugou and tokoyami and make doubles of them while todoroki was ¨keeping up¨

4. your seriously gonna trust the wiki over the actual source matirial?

 

[Ayewale]

3.It was not for 3 seconds. And he was threatening Compress for a prolonged amount of time. And he was still nearly hitting him.

4.The wiki supports the source material.

 

[Bob8999]

3. it was a very short amount of time, i just used 3 seconds as an example, its called hyperbole, grow a brain, and he never ¨nearly hit him¨ compress avoided everything with ease and probably could have just blitzed them but they were ordered to get their shit and leave so thats what he did.

4. no its the other way around statements on the wiki are supposed to be supported by the source matirial, not the wiki supporting the source matirial, that doesnt make sense.

 

[Mickey1940]

1.Todorki wouldn't use his fire. And if he did use his fire, he gets burnt to ashes.
2.Todoroki uses his GIW multiple times, then, to counter Bakugo's explosions.

3.He dealt with STAIN for god's sakes. Aizawa was also an incredible martial artist and a Pro Hero. During the fight against Compress-a VERY mobile hero-Todoroki nearly hit him dozens of times, and would have hit him if not for the fact that GIW would've hit his allies.

4.In the manga, he could not sweat due to Todoroki's ice. You can't accept this, can you?

1. Bakugou has resistances to his own explosions, so fire isn't as much of a problem for him compared to, say, his ice

2. Bakugou can just counter it multiple times. There's nothing stopping him from doing so

3. All he did against Stain is TRY to blast him before he got close. Literally anyone with a gun could replicate the same thing.

4. wait, that's what happened? I haven't read the manga yet, so I didn't know that. However, his Grenaider Bracers would still be full to bursting due to the prep time, and there's nothing stopping him from maintaining his explosions with them

 

[Ayewale]

No, don't pull that shit, fire is as much a problem to him as everyone else. And no, he's not countering the GIW multiple times. His massive explosions take a great effort from him, while Todooki's not even winded by GIW. And he still kept up with sweat.

Also, if you haven't read the manga yet, I should NOT be talking to you because that's you admitting you don't know what you're talking about. The manga + anime have lots of differences between them.