BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[NeonTxme]

we have a direct size for columns in the guidebooks... lemme find it rq

well the gods of imgur wouldnt let me upload it properly so brrr, Masked pg.150
here

 

[NeonTxme]

Could you please send me these scans or a link where all of them are? Also the thread where the realms being universal was accepted in the wiki? Thanks in advance.

too much work with my current situation xaxa
dm me anywhere (tel, disc, ionno) my id is the same as my user here @NeonTxme

 

[Soulking22334]

Are we seriously arguing about the size of the realms now???

spacebattles stage

 

[NeonTxme]

its based on the statement < kubo doesn't draw the backgrounds himself

https://ek10.wowpic1.store/i5/bEqPbYfoMT0Gm23kc1KfoApMzrEFZuKi3R0VvpbI6y4EkS5FIHyEz7PI11FmpSw?8

I cant access this as well, welp Im putting my good faith into work and considering it the correct scan

Are we seriously arguing about the size of the realms now???

shii happens

 

[Soulking22334]

well the gods of imgur wouldnt let me upload it properly so brrr, Masked pg.150
here

not warking

 

[Soulking22334]

I cant access this as well, welp Im putting my good faith into work and considering it the correct scan

ch 132

 

[Hellscream]

we have a direct size for columns in the guidebooks... lemme find it rq

Shit has been debunked

 

[Mommyleona]

its based on the statement < kubo doesn't draw the backgrounds himself

this has been thoroughly debated and this doesnt apply to las noches

 

[NeonTxme]

not warking

oopsie doopsie, mb then Ill try to reupload it somewhere else

 

[Soulking22334]

this has been thoroughly debated and this doesnt apply to las noches

3 day statement or the kubo part ??

 

[Hellscream]

3 day statement or the kubo part ??

It does apply dw, they like to selectively apply statements, apply visuals where it fits and discredit them when it doesn't fit their argument.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

MFs arguing realm's size in 2026

 

[Soulking22334]

It does apply dw, they like to selectively apply statements, apply visuals where it fits and discredit them when it doesn't fit their argument.

statements > unreliable visuals

 

[Malekith]

 

[FARLANDER3305]

GETSUGA TENSHOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!
Man i am excited

 

[Infinite9Luck]

I'm not saying "Yhwach wasn't in combat, so Chojuro wouldn't scale him." I'm saying it's either a drop in Yhwach's level because Chojuro stopped training, or he's an outlier. Still, that doesn't refute Grimmjow being able to hit Askin.

Dealing damage to Yhwach doesn't level him up anyway. He might still be much weaker in terms of speed. He might only scale him in terms of AP and LS.

“Outlier” is a cop-out argument with no foundation, and you only selectively apply it to scenes you don’t like. And yeah, he doesn’t scale remotely either in AP or LS, given that you couldn’t refute my point or provide any argument for why he would have randomly become massively weaker, especially when Shinigami simply don’t weaken like that without an actual reason.

I see no difference between Chojuro’s backstab and Grimmjow’s one.

Both Askin and Yhwach were in combat, both were caught by surprise, and both got backstabbed. They were simply both surprise attacks.

 

[Infinite9Luck]

something infinitely expanding is vastly different from something being inherently infinite.
edit: it might be from the anime card or cfyow not sure though will check to be sure.

It is explicitly stated to already be an infinite expanse, not infinitely expanding.

 

[Trihexa102]

It is explicitly stated to already be an infinite expanse, not infinitely expanding.

literally showed the raws it' says infinitely expanding.

 

[Infinite9Luck]

literally showed the raws it' says infinitely expanding.

No it doesn't. You are making up stuff. There is no "extending" what it say specifically is (無限に広がる黒腔の中を彷徨い続け) -> "the black cavity that extends infinitely" 広がる means "extends", official translation support this by calling it an infinite expanse, for "extending" or an action that is extending currently it would be:
広がっている or 広がり続ける, which is not present on the text.

 

[Soulking22334]

No it doesn't. You are making up stuff. There is no "extending" what it say specifically is (無限に広がる黒腔の中を彷徨い続け) -> "the black cavity that extends infinitely" 広がる means "extends", official translation support this by calling it an infinite expanse, for "extending" or an action that is extending currently it would be:
広がっている or 広がり続ける, which is not present on the text.

official translation > someone's selective opinion

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

“Outlier” is a cop-out argument with no foundation, and you only selectively apply it to scenes you don’t like. And yeah, he doesn’t scale remotely either in AP or LS, given that you couldn’t refute my point or provide any argument for why he would have randomly become massively weaker, especially when Shinigami simply don’t weaken like that without an actual reason.

No, calling it an outlier isn't a tactic. I assumed you knew the explanation. Grimmjow doesn't have an anti-feat that shows he's NOT strong enough to hit Askin. Chojuro, however, does. SS Arc Shikai Ichigo defeating him would be an anti-feat in that case. Unless, of course, you're saying Chojuro weakened.

Why would Chojuro's weakening be minimal? Is there direct evidence that stopping fighting causes a small power drop? Just like with Yamamoto, there's no evidence that he trains every day. We say Yamamoto didn't weaken because of the statement that he trains every day. But this wasn't stated for Chojuro. Byakuya stated that Chojuro compensates for Yamamoto's weaknesses. Yamamoto isn't lacking in strength. Therefore, Chojuro doesn't need to improve his strength.

Note: It might have been someone else who said this, I don't remember exactly.

Also, since there's no information on this wiki about Baraggan training, Young Baraggan was accepted as > Old & Espada Baraggan. Espada Baraggan wasn't upscaled because of Young Baraggan's fight with Ikomikidomoe. So yes, stopping training can cause more nerfs.

I see no difference between Chojuro’s backstab and Grimmjow’s one.

Yes, there's no difference; both are off-guard type combat attacks. However, as I explained above, while Chojuro has an anti-feat, Grimmjow doesn't have an anti-feat that shows his TYBW and CFYOW forms are far below Askin level. For example, you'd be right if there was proof that Ginjo and Sealed Ikomikidomoe were too weak to hit Askin.

 

[ichimojii]

literally showed the raws it' says infinitely expanding.

It's says infinitely expanding means infinite

Chat GBT

無限に広がる黒腔の literally means:

"the Garganta that stretches out infinitely"
or
"the infinitely expanding Garganta."

Breaking it down:

• 無限に (mugen ni) — infinitely, without limit
• 広がる (hirogaru) — to spread, to extend, to stretch out
• 黒腔 (こっこう, Kokkō) — Garganta, the dimensional void/passage in Bleach

A natural translation in context would be:

• "the infinitely vast Garganta"
• "the Garganta that extends infinitely"
• "the endless expanse of the Garganta"

The phrase 無限に広がる describes something that extends without end, so it conveys that the Garganta is portrayed as having an endless or infinite expanse.

 

[Trihexa102]

It's says infinitely expanding means infinite

Chat GBT

無限に広がる黒腔の literally means:



Breaking it down:

• 無限に (mugen ni) — infinitely, without limit
• 広がる (hirogaru) — to spread, to extend, to stretch out
• 黒腔 (こっこう, Kokkō) — Garganta, the dimensional void/passage in Bleach

A natural translation in context would be:

• "the infinitely vast Garganta"
• "the Garganta that extends infinitely"
• "the endless expanse of the Garganta"

The phrase 無限に広がる describes something that extends without end, so it conveys that the Garganta is portrayed as having an endless or infinite expanse.

They aren't the same thing, you need to do more research than that.

 

[Trihexa102]

No it doesn't. You are making up stuff. There is no "extending" what it say specifically is (無限に広がる黒腔の中を彷徨い続け) -> "the black cavity that extends infinitely" 広がる means "extends", official translation support this by calling it an infinite expanse, for "extending" or an action that is extending currently it would be:
広がっている or 広がり続ける, which is not present on the text.

you just making things up and being semantic. What i said and what you said are no different
Extend infinitely is not Infinite.

 

[NeonTxme]

official translation > someone's selective opinion

viz is prone to having mistranslations that affect such scalings, so a revaluation wouldn't hurt

 

[Hellscream]

you just making things up and being semantic. What i said and what you said are no different
Extend infinitely is not Infinite.

Lol.
My guy doesn't even understand the line of argumentation presented, and the difference between the two.

Either way, infinite luck is correct in his assessment and translation.
It's described as a black cavity that extends infinitely, which is not equal to something that is continuously expanding infinitely.
One is already infinite, the other is not, but simply extends for an infinite amount of time and is thus as of now "finite", yet increasing in size at every moment infinitely.
although something that is infinite, can in actuality still be expansive as well.

 

[NeonTxme]

It's says infinitely expanding means infinite

our universe is infinitely expanding, I dont think you would consider the observable universe infinite now, would ya?

 

[PizzaDante67]

Just get that shii translated by the wiki translators bruh