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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

That conclusion doesn’t necessarily follow. Saying that TWOTL and Soul Society would merge if their boundary disappeared only establishes that the boundary is what keeps them distinct. It does not identify the nature of that boundary

Geometric separation only requires an additional dimension if the two spaces are embedded within the same ambient space and occupy different positions along an extra axis. That’s exactly what the VSBW guideline describes: universes existing at different positions along an additional dimensional axis.

Bleach never explicitly states that the Human World and Soul Society occupy different positions along a fifth spatial dimension. Instead, the series consistently describes them as separate realms connected through intermediary spaces like the Dangai and Garganta. The fact that removing the boundary causes them to merge is equally consistent with the boundary being a metaphysical or topological separator rather than a geometric higher-dimensional one.

In other words, “they merge if the boundary is removed” proves that the boundary preserves their distinction. It doesn’t prove that the boundary is a higher-dimensional axis. That additional premise still requires evidence.

Likewise, saying they “share the same existential coordinates” is an assertion, not something established by the manga. If they truly shared the same coordinates in the geometric sense, that itself would need to be demonstrated from the source material.

Another logical issue is that the argument assumes that because geometric separation can require an extra dimension, all separation must be geometric. That’s a non sequitur. Fiction commonly separates universes through barriers, pocket dimensions, disconnected topology, or metaphysical laws without implying a higher-dimensional embedding. To conclude a 5D separator, you must first prove the separation is specifically geometric along an additional axis, not merely that a boundary exists.
From what I understand, you’re saying that you want evidence from the story to prove the existence of higher dimensions,
and that since my points are missing scans from the story, they can be interpreted differently , so I need conclusive evidence, right?

So, either i have to provide evidence to support these points, or I have to present an indisputable point?
 
That’s cuz Naruto anime it not as canon as the Naruto manga. Which is not the same for boruto

That conclusion doesn’t necessarily follow. Saying that TWOTL and Soul Society would merge if their boundary disappeared only establishes that the boundary is what keeps them distinct. It does not identify the nature of that boundary

Geometric separation only requires an additional dimension if the two spaces are embedded within the same ambient space and occupy different positions along an extra axis. That’s exactly what the VSBW guideline describes: universes existing at different positions along an additional dimensional axis.

Bleach never explicitly states that the Human World and Soul Society occupy different positions along a fifth spatial dimension. Instead, the series consistently describes them as separate realms connected through intermediary spaces like the Dangai and Garganta. The fact that removing the boundary causes them to merge is equally consistent with the boundary being a metaphysical or topological separator rather than a geometric higher-dimensional one.

In other words, “they merge if the boundary is removed” proves that the boundary preserves their distinction. It doesn’t prove that the boundary is a higher-dimensional axis. That additional premise still requires evidence.

Likewise, saying they “share the same existential coordinates” is an assertion, not something established by the manga. If they truly shared the same coordinates in the geometric sense, that itself would need to be demonstrated from the source material.

Another logical issue is that the argument assumes that because geometric separation can require an extra dimension, all separation must be geometric. That’s a non sequitur. Fiction commonly separates universes through barriers, pocket dimensions, disconnected topology, or metaphysical laws without implying a higher-dimensional embedding. To conclude a 5D separator, you must first prove the separation is specifically geometric along an additional axis, not merely that a boundary exists.
The should exist within the axis of the garganta how do you think the garganta can access anywhere in any dimension. In cfyow it's implied each relam exist in a axis within the garganta
 
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時空の壁 = The wall of space-time = the wall of graganta

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all dimensions in bleach are inside it

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時間軸 = Time axis

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good enough i think
 
This isn't a complete off-guard situation. This is just an off-guard situation in terms of combat. Askin knows he's in combat, why would he reduce his durability? The most you could say is that Askin used Blut Arteria instead of Blut Venn because he wanted to deliver the final blow to Urahara. In that case, you could say Grimmjow dealt damage to 1/5 of Askin's full durability.

Young Chojuro > Old Chojuro, or if you're arguing the opposite, you'd call that scene an outlier.
That doesn't really debunk what i said, Yhwach was in combat too, he still get backstabbed, Young Sasakibe > Old Sasakibe (That is also headcanon, most of shinigami don't get extremely weaker) still doesn't prove he is on Yhwach level.
 
5D garganta is debetable but using naruto for counter argumantation kinda weird because two shows cosmology completely different in naruto there isnt equvalation of garganta or dangai. All of other " Dimensions" More like yukio dimensions equavalations. You can against 5D garganta but using naruto dimension against garganta just bad example for me.
 
5D garganta is debetable but using naruto for counter argumantation kinda weird because two shows cosmology completely different in naruto there isnt equvalation of garganta or dangai. All of other " Dimensions" More like yukio dimensions equavalations. You can against 5D garganta but using naruto dimension against garganta just bad example for me.
Hence my kaguya example (which was bait)
 
Sorry this has probably been asked a bunch of times before, but would Unohana saying that Kenpachi can clash equally with Renji, Byakuya and Ichigo mean that everyone she mentioned in that sentence should become 3-C due to scaling to Renji?
 
Sorry this has probably been asked a bunch of times before, but would Unohana saying that Kenpachi can clash equally with Renji, Byakuya and Ichigo mean that everyone she mentioned in that sentence should become 3-C due to scaling to Renji?
she had no idea how strong renji would become so i dont think you can scale them to renji but thats just me
 
Sorry this has probably been asked a bunch of times before, but would Unohana saying that Kenpachi can clash equally with Renji, Byakuya and Ichigo mean that everyone she mentioned in that sentence should become 3-C due to scaling to Renji?
Not "equally" but rather being rivals whom match eachother, and she was referring to pre-reiyoku training Renji, which his feats are like an entire cour after her statement
 
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good enough i think
I'd suggest using Yoruichi's explanation about the time axis and Isshin backing it up later in the manga (during his training for Bankai / FGT) rather than unseen anime-exclusive statements... Since ya know, everything anime related minus MoN and F2B movies are considered non-canon here
 
I'd suggest using Yoruichi's explanation about the time axis and Isshin backing it up later in the manga (during his training for Bankai / FGT) rather than unseen anime-exclusive statements... Since ya know, everything anime related minus MoN and F2B movies are considered non-canon here
i have no scans about yoruichi
 
i have no scans about yoruichi
look around post-ch130, she mentioned how interacting with the kotosu/cleaner sent them a bit off the time axis but urahara's inventions saved them the hassle and allat, she was thinking abt if Ichigo can achieve bankai given their short time. As for Isshin iicr its around ch420
 
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