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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

BasedNecoScaler69 said:
i mean squad zero went from getting stomped to doing the stomping, and bazz-b/jugram have always had that rivalry going on
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Squad zero had a hidden true power bazz b doesn't lol. He lost on screen squad zero lost off screen. There would be no reason to make Bazz b win the fight if he got stomped. It's just showing Jugram is gunna encounter fire maybe senjumaru was trying to force that fate onto him now to kill him
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
1 Court Guard Squad > Squad 0 Captain holding back > pre Auswahlen base Gerard
post Auswahlen base Gerard < post Auswahlen Vollstandig Gerard > Squad 0 Captain holding back < 1 Court Guard Squad
Elite Sternritter > average Sternritter

He's prolly around average Captain level, which will likely remain consistent when he gets beat up by Renji and Byakuya (since they're stronger than average Captains). I mean like, if we go by the manga (which ik is very subject to change) Shikai Renji dunks on post Auswahlen base Gerard. Not too dissimilar to how Renji beat down pre Vollstandig Mask, honestly full cheers Mask (no Vollstandig) pushed Renji more than base Gerard (post Auswahlen). Honestly, prolly puts his scaling like post Auswahlen base Gerard ~< full cheers base Mask. I don't have post Auswahlen base Gerard above like the average Sternritter's Vollstandig (Vollstandig Mask, Vollstandig Bazz, etc.). But like according to the anime he needed the Auswahlen and Vollstandig to beat down a nerfed Squad 0, which are self admittedly below like a Gotei 13 squad, which is very consistent with what we see in the manga too. Squad 6 ~ mainly Byakuya and Renji > post Auswahlen base Gerard.
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Nope suppressed S0 still scales massively above anyone one in the G13 individual. Except yama,kenpachi and maybe uhonhana.

Oetsu fought V1 lile and was even blizting him at times. Base lile scaled relative to shunsui even tho shunsui was using hax mostly and shunsui is equal to byakuya according to cfyow. So this means suppressed RG>>>>>byakuya and renji post RG training. Putting them above majority of the G13
 
@Reio35 I agree the statement about them not even using the power of one court guard squad must of been hyping them up or something because every single elite there would ragdoll everyone in the gotei esp since ppl like bambietta and mask already do that. Only Unohana is above suppressed squad zero, and maybe RG Byakuya considering what he did to base Gerard.

Yama > Kenpachi> Unohana > Suppressed squad zero >= RG Byakuya imo
 
Reio35 said:
Nope suppressed S0 still scales massively above anyone one in the G13 individual. Except yama,kenpachi and maybe uhonhana.

Oetsu fought V1 lile and was even blizting him at times. Base lile scaled relative to shunsui even tho shunsui was using hax mostly and shunsui is equal to byakuya according to cfyow. So this means suppressed RG>>>>>byakuya and renji post RG training. Putting them above majority of the G13
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That makes Oetsu faster at best. Also Vollstandig Lille had gotten used to Oetsu’s speed anyway. Furthermore, who knows how Shunsui vs Lille could change, perhaps Lille will use his normal Vollstandig again and Shunsui will still overwhelm him with KK.
 
Reio35 said:
Nope suppressed S0 still scales massively above anyone one in the G13 individual. Except yama,kenpachi and maybe uhonhana
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No way, elites below their peak were manhandling suppressed S0 and they're still set to be gotei opponents in the final battles


Reio35 said:
Oetsu fought V1 lile and was even blizting him at times. Base lile scaled relative to shunsui even tho shunsui was using hax mostly and shunsui is equal to byakuya according to cfyow. So this means suppressed RG>>>>>byakuya and renji post RG training. Putting them above majority of the G13
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Bruh Lille litterally said he got used to his speed. And anyway shikai Byakuya >>> shikai Shunsui
 
Who stronger RG renji or Shunsui? Not in terms of full power but base to base shikai to shikai ap wise. Cause renji was stomping a mask that stomped two bankai captains
 
Reio35 said:
Oetsu fought V1 lile and was even blizting him at times. Base lile scaled relative to shunsui even tho shunsui was using hax mostly and shunsui is equal to byakuya according to cfyow. So this means suppressed RG>>>>>byakuya and renji post RG training. Putting them above majority of the G13
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that's pre-auschwahlen that he fought evenly lil bro, Lille fought evenly post auschwahlen in partial vollstandig with Oetsu

Twisted_Little_Raven said:
Also Byakuya is faster than shunsui showing by Robert fight
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Shunsui got an absurd training amp between the first and second invasion. He either actually trained or did Jinzen or got some type of amp, it doesn't matter how.
 
Blallooo said:
No way, elites below their peak were manhandling suppressed S0 and they're still set to be gotei opponents in the final battles



Bruh Lille litterally said he got used to his speed. And anyway shikai Byakuya >>> shikai Shunsui
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Guacamolefletcher said:
that's pre-auschwahlen that he fought evenly lil bro, Lille fought evenly post auschwahlen in partial vollstandig with Oetsu


Shunsui got an absurd training amp between the first and second invasion. He either actually trained or did Jinzen or got some type of amp, it doesn't matter how.
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Blallooo said:
No way, elites below their peak were manhandling suppressed S0 and they're still set to be gotei opponents in the final battles



Bruh Lille litterally said he got used to his speed. And anyway shikai Byakuya >>> shikai Shunsui
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Uhh not not referring to pre asuwhlen lille. Oetsu fought post asuwhlen lille using his V1 and was relative to him .While shun struggled against base lille even while using hax. Oestu tagged lille like twice even while he was in V1 using just his combat speed. Tho lille would just faze through his attacks. Robert was the only ritter out of the five byakuya fought that could keep up with byakuya's speed so he's not slow his speed is rel to byakuyas. Shun was off guard while under distress after yamas defeat he later got serious and then the fight cutts off. He also reacted to one of Roberts attacks and could have beaten him with shikai hax.

Everyone in the RG are relative we see Tenjiro wash jugram and senjumaru slam uryu both whome are above all the other sterns at the time.
 
Guacamolefletcher said:
makes sense, considering she's the strongest Bambi, so the weaker ones don't gatekeep her ratings.
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Yea also when she uses her first attack in sklaverai she surprises Ichigo and then her following attack physically forces him to the ground. Yea he's casual but against his casual self she seemed more threatening than rest. Also she didn't seem scared of Byakuya. She saw him completely obliterate the three of them Easily and only called him tough/impressive. She also seems more aware of other people's power than the rest as she was the main one giving respect to Ichigo and Kenpachi. She one shotted pepe in her regular vollstanding but he was beat up prior. So it's possible she stomps Giselle and Candice with low difficulty.

Giselle low difficulty, Candice low difficulty, Meninas mid difficulty and Bambietta probably high or loses because hax
 
Reio35 said:
Shun was off guard while under distress after yamas defeat he later got serious and then the fight cutts off. He also reacted to one of Roberts attacks and could have beaten him with shikai hax.
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You forget his eye getting shot? Shunsui definitely struggled a bit speed wise in that fight.

RG Byakuya also beat a V2 Robert, so he's without a doubt superior in speed to First Invasion Shunsui.

In all honesty, I don't believe the CFYOW statement of the Noble Houses' Heads and Shunsui being equivalent in Reiryoku meant their stats were all equal.

Yoruichi and Byakuya by EoS definitely seem to be superior to Shunsui in stats. However, Shunsui more than makes up for that with his Zanpakuto versatility and abilities. His Bankai is just too haxed.
 
Reio35 said:
Robert was the only ritter out of the five byakuya fought that could keep up with byakuya's speed
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No he's not, Candice and NaNaNa were just taken by surprise, Candice was obviously keeping up with him.
Reio35 said:
Shun was off guard while under distress after yamas defeat he later got serious and then the fight cutts off. He also reacted to one of Roberts attacks and could have beaten him with shikai hax.
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Doesn't matter how stressed he was, he got outspeed the exact moment Robert used vollstandig for like an instant. And no Shunsui wouldn't have beaten him, they were clearly in a stalmate even after Yama boosted their confidence and he admitted he couldn't win without Bankai. Base Byakuya > vollstandig Robert > shikai Shunsui. He's not captain commander cause he can beat almost everyone just in shikai like Yama and with Lille he just had a good
Reio35 said:
Everyone in the RG are relative we see Tenjiro wash jugram and senjumaru slam uryu both whome are above all the other sterns at the time.
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Yeah the same tenjiro defeated by Askin and the same Senjumaru onebpunched by Gerard, let's not pretend captains won't fight the same elites while far stronger, without their oath seel broken they're not stronger than gotei
 
Why the hell you guys assume shunsui = Tokinada LOL
tokinada is clearly stronger than him. He was fighting him and other people as well.
and Tokinada is only compared with byakuya not shunsui.

Of course the gap isn’t big, Tokinada ain’t base Aizen thats why he can’t one shot him as Aizen did, but that’s still a gap, and byakuya neended bankai against Robert, Shunsui would have stomped him that easily too with his bankai.

CFYOW is correct, Shunsui also will keep up with Lille.
 
Why would cfyow and tybw shunsui be same strength? Or any of the charactes really. I'm always of the opinion characters are always stronger every arc. Hell I think characters are stronger after a single fight sometimes. Shunsui went from base Robert fodder to forcing the leader of the ss into his chicken form lol
 
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I don’t think Senjumaru’s bankai is fate manipulation or future death prediction. Is more like Kubo used similar deaths to the characters since they can’t be defeated by any other means.

Senjumaru’s Shikai let’s her cloth reality
Senjumaru’s bankai let’s her cloth fate

Kind of makes sense. 🤔
 
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