Ben 10 vs Superman | "I used to have pijamas that looked just like your outfit"

[GeneralSol16]

Superman has been mind controlled, or maybe was a new type of Kryptonite, or maybe he just went nuts, not even Batman knew, but he had to be stopped. Ignoring all warnings from his superheroes team mates, Ben has decided to go after him, he feels he needs to contain him, he knows that he'll prefer going down instead of being a threat to all those people he used to protect. Ben 10 needs to go Hero Time against the best hero of 'em all, the one who inspired him to be what he is today.

• Post Warworld Superman [3-C] and Omniverse Ben are being used.
• Ben has prior knowledge on the massive AP gap between the two and Clark's abilities, same with Superman knowing about Ben's aliens.
• Clark is bloodlusted, Alien X and Clockwork are restricted.
• Equalized speed, battle takes place in Metropolis, 20m from each other.

"Dreams save us":
"One of everybody":
Incon:

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Can't Ben use Ghost Freak to dura neg Clark

• Durability Negation (Was able to hurt Thumbskull by ignoring his durability via phasing)

 

[Lort15]

Can't Ben use Ghost Freak to dura neg Clark

Clockwork also have some good wincons again Clark doesn't resist to layered time-stop also Low complex multiversal BFR

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Clockwork also have some good wincons again Clark doesn't resist to layered time-stop also Low complex multiversal BFR

Welp Clark has Omnidirectional giant 2000x amp Solar Flare if things goes crazy

 

[Lort15]

Welp Clark has Omnidirectional giant 2000x amp Solar Flare if things goes crazy

not sure if he can pull this up before clockwork use timestop ts is thought based

 

[Lloydblitzed]

not sure if he can pull this up before clockwork use timestop ts is thought based

He resist time stop

• Time Slow (Countered a temporal modulation field slowing him down)
• Time Stop (Broke out of full chrono-suspension)

 

[Lort15]

He resist time stop

• Time Slow (Countered a temporal modulation field slowing him down)
• Time Stop (Broke out of full chrono-suspension)

It's baseline clockworks powers has 1 layer which includes timestop

 

[Lort15]

This match feels hard stomp Clark has no answer to Clockwork's 1 layered time stop also low complex multi BFR, also Clark is bloodusted so he would go for kill which would trigger omnitrix failsafe + ben doesn't have master control so omnitrix is likely choosing the best alien for the situation so yeah hard stomp, voting for Ben

 

[Arkansalter2]

Clockwork + Ghostfreak.

 

[GeneralSol16]

He resist time stop

• Time Slow (Countered a temporal modulation field slowing him down)
• Time Stop (Broke out of full chrono-suspension)

Clockwork has layered 5-D Time Manipulation, which I'm the verse includes all of that. Clark isn't resisting Ben's powers.

This match feels hard stomp Clark has no answer to Clockwork's 1 layered time stop also low complex multi BFR, also Clark is bloodusted so he would go for kill which would trigger omnitrix failsafe + ben doesn't have master control so omnitrix is likely choosing the best alien for the situation so yeah hard stomp, voting for Ben

Should I restrict clockwork too? He's Ben's second most powerful form, and makes this a stomp.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Can't Ben use Ghost Freak to dura neg Clark

Supes has NPI, basic prior knowledge on Ben's aliens and can see invisibles, don't think he'll allow Ben to go that close to him.

 

[Lort15]

Should I restrict clockwork too? He's Ben's second most powerful form, and makes this a stomp.

sure if you want but we have at least one problem more ben has low-godly regen via omnitrix that would be incon at best if we restrict some aliens more

 

[Lort15]

Supes has NPI, basic prior knowledge on Ben's aliens and can see invisibles, don't think he'll allow Ben to go that close to him.

+ he has resistance to intangibility which makes useless ghostfreak's dura neg

 

[GeneralSol16]

sure if you want but we have at least one problem more ben has low-godly regen via omnitrix that would be incon at best if we restrict some aliens more

Sure, but at least Ben doesn't just haxes him to oblivion with Smurf Hax

+ he has resistance to intangibility which makes useless ghostfreak's dura neg

Yeah, GF's is not a wincom here.
.

 

[Lort15]

Sure, but at least Ben doesn't just haxes him to oblivion with Smurf Hax

does superman have anything to bypass low godly regen? i saw dura neg but its molecular level not enough to bypass low godly regen

 

[GeneralSol16]

does superman have anything to bypass low godly regen? i saw dura neg but its molecular level not enough to bypass low godly regen

He can't put out Ben, but he resists a lot of his aliens powers and counters even more.

 

[Lort15]

He can't put out Ben, but he resists a lot of his aliens powers and counters even more.

I mean if he doesn't have anything to bypass regen it's lowkey useless Clark is trying to kill ben here, Chromastone and Feedback must have layered absorption or smth on profile Feedback could absorp his life force easily, Gutrot might work since he can generate any gas he wants such as sleep, paralysis indicument gases etc... Pesky dust also might work sleep manip also Big chill can freeze him at absolute zero temps if he doesn't resist to absolute zero blah blah blah ben has a lot of hax with his 60-70 aliens anyway zlorb

 

[GeneralSol16]

Chromastone and Feedback must have layered absorption or smth on profile Feedback could absorp his life force easily

None of those have it on their profile, and Chromastone can't drain dry someone from his energy, only Feedback can.
Absorb his life energy would indeed be an wincom, tho.

Gutrot might work since he can generate any gas he wants such as sleep, paralysis indicument gases etc...

Clark is immune to any type of disease or gas, as stated on his profile.

Pesky dust also might work sleep manip

Clark resists Sleep Manip too.

Big chill can freeze him at absolute zero temps if he doesn't resist to absolute zero

His Heat Vision has countered absolute zero before, and he has NPI, so he can freeze him with his intangibility.

blah blah blah ben has a lot of hax with his 60-70 aliens anyway zlorb

The majority of those aliens are brawlers, and Clark resists acid, counters AZ, can absorb radiation and resists it, Heatblast isn't hot enough (yet) to burn him afair, and any ability based on gas or chemicals are useless against him.

Without Clockwork, Feedback's absortion is Ben's best wincon.

 

[Lort15]

None of those have it on their profile, and Chromastone can't drain dry someone from his energy, only Feedback can.
Absorb his life energy would indeed be an wincom, tho.

I could have swear Chromastone had 1 layer in his profile but anyway

Clark is immune to any type of disease or gas, as stated on his profile.

Didn't check

Clark resists Sleep Manip too.

Ok

His Heat Vision has countered absolute zero before, and he has NPI, so he can freeze him with his intangibility.

You mean't can't i guess ok

The majority of those aliens are brawlers, and Clark resists acid, counters AZ, can absorb radiation and resists it, Heatblast isn't hot enough (yet) to burn him afair, and any ability based on gas or chemicals are useless against him.

There are still a lot of aliens i'm sure still some of them have wincons

Without Clockwork, Feedback's absortion is Ben's best wincon.

No

 

[Lort15]

I found something i want to start with whampire because someone classified his ability as mind manipulation but it's NOT mind manipulation their mind wasn't controlled it's body puppetry but i need to make a crt about it and Jetray has durability negation via his neuroshocks also Feedback have durability negation somehow¿+ XLR8 have statistic amps he could pull out something by his speed amps not really saying he can defeat but anyway we have brainstorm who have memory manipulation and analytical prediction which would help him in the battle and the last one for now Upgrade who have statistic amps, limited dura neg and a good regen so yeah

 

[GeneralSol16]

I found something i want to start with whampire because someone classified his ability as mind manipulation but it's NOT mind manipulation their mind wasn't controlled it's body puppetry but i need to make a crt about it

I agree with that, Whampire should have both Mind Manip and Body Purpetry, but as you say, we need to make a CRT first so it can count as a wincon.

nd Jetray has durability negation via his neuroshocks

Yes, but it can be resisted by some aliens far weaker than Supes, so don't think they'll matter.
I mean, maybe means those aliens have Durability Négation resistance, but until we clarify that, I wouldn't count it as a wincon either.

also Feedback have durability negation somehow

His absorption, which I say is a wincon.

XLR8 have statistic amps he could pull out something by his speed amps not really saying he can defeat but anyway

XLR8 would kill himself if he tries to harm him lol, it would have a worse end than against Vilgax.

we have brainstorm who have memory manipulation and analytical prediction which would help him

Ben has never done Memory Manipulation before, maybe if he was Bloodlust could help, but since he's not, it is not valid at all.

last one for now Upgrade who have statistic amps, limited dura neg and a good regen so yeah

He only has Dura Neg against Mechanical beings afaik, and even with statistics amps, he can't compete with Supes' AP advantage.

 

[Lort15]

Yes, but it can be resisted by some aliens far weaker than Supes, so don't think they'll matter.
I mean, maybe means those aliens have Durability Négation resistance, but until we clarify that, I wouldn't count it as a wincon either.

Doesn't really mean anything here he got the ability not too long that's only means the other aliens have resistance to dura neg we don't need to apply dura neg to other aliens for jetray's become valid

His absorption, which I say is a wincon.

It's Via energy projectiles not absorption according to the crt it got accepted

XLR8 would kill himself if he tries to harm him lol, it would have a worse end than against Vilgax.

He wouldn't try that as i have said he could pull something out with around+ he would be faster than Superman in the fight xlr8 would help him to Dodge attacks from supe

Ben has never done Memory Manipulation before, maybe if he was Bloodlust could help, but since he's not, it is not valid at all.

It's not that far hım to use after he learned that ability from Servantis it's comparable to servantis he could analyze that Superman has resistance to mind manip so he could go with memory manipulation via information analysis and analytical prediction oh also i've remembered Gutrot has memory manipulation he can erase Clark's memory, Clark doesn't have resistance to chemical and gas manip it's only disease manipulation

He only has Dura Neg against Mechanical beings afaik, and even with statistics amps, he can't compete with Supes' AP advantage.

I was referring the statistic amps for speed and abilities since the fight is happening in metropolis there are a lot of things around

 

[GeneralSol16]

Bump

 

[Johner2133451]

ben 10 fra

 

[Muteki616]

Ben will win this time
then we’re gonna get an insane DC upgrade
that changes that
mark my words.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Ben will win this time
then we’re gonna get an insane DC upgrade
that changes that
mark my words.

I mean, even if they do.
Ben's isn't winning here thanks to being physically comparable, but thanks to his Hax.
That wouldn't change even if Clark gets to a wanky 1-A.

 

[Muteki616]

I mean, even if they do.
Ben's isn't winning here thanks to being physically comparable, but thanks to his Hax.
That wouldn't change even if Clark gets to a wanky 1-A.

A "wanky 1-A" is wild he'll end up having like 1-A resistances probably.

 

[GeneralSol16]

A "wanky 1-A" is wild he'll end up having like 1-A resistances probably.

Don't think so, the only Haxy thing that can possibly be 1-A is literally one of his main weaknesses and normally one shots him , no way to make him scale

 

[Muteki616]

can possibly be 1-A is literally one of his main weaknesses and normally one shots him , no way to make him scale

if you're referring to magic
Superman, on many occasions, has absorbed and survived it.
It's not a "weakness" and often doesn't one shot him.

 

[GeneralSol16]

if you're referring to magic
Superman, on many occasions, has absorbed and survived it.
It's not a "weakness" and often doesn't one shot him.

Except when it does.
There's a handful of occasions in Rebirth where he's directly depowered by magic, or can't affect being made of it.

 

[Muteki616]

Except when it does.
There's a handful of occasions in Rebirth where he's directly depowered by magic, or can't affect being made of it.

can you show those?

 

[Lort15]

can you show those?

Ziggy transforme ma

 

[YuseiDragon1]

Ben dura negs and wins this with mid low ease.

 

[Lort15]

Ben dura negs and wins this with mid low ease.

Idk if this is a stomp after restricting clockwork

 

[YuseiDragon1]

restricting clockwork

i think this is just OP being biased towards superman

 

[Lort15]

i think this is just OP being biased towards superman

Nah he tried to make this match not a stomp + i don't even think he can restrict clockwork anymore because his base stats are 4-B not Low 1-C

 

[YuseiDragon1]

Still leaning Ben due to versatility and skill.

 

[Lort15]

Still leaning Ben due to versatility and skill.

I suppose. Ben just BFR him with Clockwork since he can't be restricted anymore

 

[GeneralSol16]

Still leaning Ben due to versatility and skill.

Ben will NOT outskill Clark lmao

 

[Arkansalter2]

Still leaning Ben due to versatility and skill.

Outskill? Superman? We fr?