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ZoronotZolo realizing he can prolong useless drama:Why you always playing devil's advocate just say the debunk
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Best Oni Princess vs Most Stylish Cook (Yamato vs Sanji)
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Dude I'm not a Sanji fanboy, I was just noting at the time that Sanji was close to Yonko lvl and way above Jimbei, and then Kingtempest began screeching at me that Jimbei was way above Tobiroppo tier.
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I would like to jump in, but I can't vote or argue on my own thread
DaMonkeMan
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No not you, just the people who thought that he was yonko level
azontr
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You can.
DaMonkeMan
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Why not? You would be able to create valid arguments in a thread even if you made it. I've seen people do this all the time
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Uh, yes you can.
The maker of the thread is allowed one vote.
Look at the vs thread rules.
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Oh yeah, it's that Haki like Busoshoku automatically gives resistance to heat-based attacks, and there's a correlation between stronger Haki and more resistance (e.g. Kaidou's stronger passive Haki preventing DF techniques from affecting him)
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Until her haki has been shown to be able to resist heat on Ifrit's level, it's not going to work.
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Kinda tried to say this but not exactly like this. But yeah great point
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Wait, so just because it's a heat-based attack, you're arguing the effects of Buso Haki work differently and that you need heat resistance in tandem with the Haki to justify that?
DaMonkeMan
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Anyway seriously though, any wincons for Sanji?
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No, I'm saying that Haki doesn't resist all heats. It only resists heats that it's been shown to resist. Yamato's heat upscales from 27k Celcius, while Sanji's is 174134.85 Kelvin. Due to Sanji's being vastly higher, Yamato's haki heat resistance won't do much to Sanji's Ifrit.
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This is a gross misinterpretation of the actual argument.
Nobody said that the Haki would function differently, in fact, on a lesser attack, it would, the point is that Yamato's Haki doesn't have the feats necessary to stand up to the heat of Ifrit Jambe. The function is still there, it's just that on an attack that, ultimately, is superior to your resistance, Haki is ineffective. It isn't some ultimate defense against heat.
azontr
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Ninja.
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Eh, I suppose that's fair.
Though, ngl, it's kind of laughable that Sanji can bring more heat than Kaidou of all people lol. Who has hotter flames? A literal dragon or chef?
Though, ngl, it's kind of laughable that Sanji can bring more heat than Kaidou of all people lol. Who has hotter flames? A literal dragon or chef?
DaMonkeMan
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Eh. Combined with her ice powers, and increased durability with zoan transformations, I doubt she can't take the attacks. And again, she can still attack him before he activates ifrit, let's not ignore that.
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1: can knock him out before he uses ifrit
2: sure ifrit might burn her, but like I said, if Queen could take the attacks and still live through them despite being hit by a barrage of them, I doubt Yamato can't.
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Get an ice cube and drop it in a Volcano.
For sure, but what's stopping Sanji from going FTE and dodging all of her attacks while simultaneously attacking like he did to Wanze?
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Winner gets to stay/be in the Monster Trio
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DaMonkeMan
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She's at a speed comparable to Kaidou and Luffy, iirc.
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Endurance + Regen + AP gap is only 1.3x + Sanji would instantly go for Ifrit once he's at a disadvantage.
Huuuge understatement.
For reference, normal humans can tolerate direct contact with something that is ~37.8 Celsius, but when in contact with something that is 60 C for longer than 5 seconds, they would sustain burns.
The gap between Yamato's resistance and Ifrit's heat is vastly superior to that. Yamato would get destroyed.
The next time we saw Queen was over a week later, and there were still noticeable effects from Ifrit.
Proof that Yamato has higher heat resistance than Queen?
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As of now, I say Simpsmoke beats Yamatoes FRA
DaMonkeMan
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Queen was getting thrashed before ifrit and then got kicked like twelve times while off guard. Meanwhile, Yamato will be on guard, with ice coating, ACoC coating, and armament coating, along with her haki. She can do this. And again, Shanks could block a magma fist with simple armament and sword, while inches away from said fist, and didn't get vaporized by the passive heat. I doubt Yamato won't be the same here, Ifrit is not that awesome lol.
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Sanji's speed chain is higher than Yamato's
Base Kaido < Hybrid Kaido ~ Hybrid Yamato
Hybrid Kaido ~ Homies Big Mom ~ Hybrid Marco ~ Base Queen Reaction Speed < Base Sanji (FTE to Queen) < Diable Sanji < Ifrit Sanji
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I will virtually smack the shit out of you if you mention my name in a One Piece thread, especially in a negative light
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You can try but you can't hide the truth!
DaMonkeMan
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Ruh roh!!! Anyway wassup king, any thoughts on this thread?
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Ok, what proof is there that Sanji's fire is plasma?
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no
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The CRT was accepted. Read it. I gave you both the links to the CRT and the link to the article the heat value came from.
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Is there something wrong with it?
DaMonkeMan
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Nobody ever outright said they voted for Sanji lmfao. Just stop talking and let the actually coherent people talk please
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Oh I can vote? Well then I give it to Yamato high diff
Yamato is far stronger in terms of both AP and Durability, being able to consistently tank attacks from a Hao Infusion Hybrid Kaidou and come out relatively fine. Sanji even with his strongest move, Ifrit Jambe, needed 10 kicks to actually put Queen down, and this was after many previous attacks that Queen sustained, meaning that Sanji isn’t taking down Yamato easily at all, she’ll be no selling most of his attacks. As well, she has her own ice based powers that can match and cancel out Kaidou’s Boro Breath, meaning it’s capable of handling intense heat based attacks, not as hot as Ifrit Jambe, but notable nonetheless. She has both Buso Emission and her Ice Armor to stack on top of each other to defend against Ifrit Jambe if Sanji attempts it, which should mitigate the damage, and she’s able to whip this out in reaction to a Hybrid Kaidou Thunder Bagua, which can blitz people like Zoro, Law, and Future Sight Luffy, along with more. Now speed wise, Sanji at his best is undeniably faster than her, but this speed is draining and he can’t keep it up forever, along with him actually landing the attacks allowing him to be seen. Yamato’s own Thunder Bagua speed matches Kaidou’s, allowing her to relatively keep up with Sanji’s speeds at these levels if need be. With ice powers, she could also theoretically freeze and halt Sanji in place if she lands the attack. Lastly I’ve seen the heat argument time and time again, but heat is just energy, Yamato scaling far above Sanji in terms of AP and Durability should also add to lowering the effectiveness of Ifrit Jambe. Not to mention, Yamato regularly uses her Kanabo to fight and consistently blocks attacks with it, meaning her club will help in preventing Ifrit Jambe from even making contact with Yamato’s body. Ultimately Yamato’s insane AP and Durability advantage, along with ice powers and insane endurance allow her to knock out and slow down Sanji enough for her to freeze his face off or finish him however she wants. She has the means to block Ifrit Jambe with far superior Durability, Buso, Ice Armor, and a Kanabo to basically prevent Sanji from landing the hits necessary. Also she tanked attacks from Hybrid Kaidou, unless you believe Sanji hits and deals more damage than Hybrid Kaidou, then Yamato’s tanking most of what Sanji does.
So yeah, Yamato takes this overall IMO
Yamato is far stronger in terms of both AP and Durability, being able to consistently tank attacks from a Hao Infusion Hybrid Kaidou and come out relatively fine. Sanji even with his strongest move, Ifrit Jambe, needed 10 kicks to actually put Queen down, and this was after many previous attacks that Queen sustained, meaning that Sanji isn’t taking down Yamato easily at all, she’ll be no selling most of his attacks. As well, she has her own ice based powers that can match and cancel out Kaidou’s Boro Breath, meaning it’s capable of handling intense heat based attacks, not as hot as Ifrit Jambe, but notable nonetheless. She has both Buso Emission and her Ice Armor to stack on top of each other to defend against Ifrit Jambe if Sanji attempts it, which should mitigate the damage, and she’s able to whip this out in reaction to a Hybrid Kaidou Thunder Bagua, which can blitz people like Zoro, Law, and Future Sight Luffy, along with more. Now speed wise, Sanji at his best is undeniably faster than her, but this speed is draining and he can’t keep it up forever, along with him actually landing the attacks allowing him to be seen. Yamato’s own Thunder Bagua speed matches Kaidou’s, allowing her to relatively keep up with Sanji’s speeds at these levels if need be. With ice powers, she could also theoretically freeze and halt Sanji in place if she lands the attack. Lastly I’ve seen the heat argument time and time again, but heat is just energy, Yamato scaling far above Sanji in terms of AP and Durability should also add to lowering the effectiveness of Ifrit Jambe. Not to mention, Yamato regularly uses her Kanabo to fight and consistently blocks attacks with it, meaning her club will help in preventing Ifrit Jambe from even making contact with Yamato’s body. Ultimately Yamato’s insane AP and Durability advantage, along with ice powers and insane endurance allow her to knock out and slow down Sanji enough for her to freeze his face off or finish him however she wants. She has the means to block Ifrit Jambe with far superior Durability, Buso, Ice Armor, and a Kanabo to basically prevent Sanji from landing the hits necessary. Also she tanked attacks from Hybrid Kaidou, unless you believe Sanji hits and deals more damage than Hybrid Kaidou, then Yamato’s tanking most of what Sanji does.
So yeah, Yamato takes this overall IMO
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