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Blastoise vs Charizard
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Y
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Doesn't Charizard Y kinda...wreck Blastoise?
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Oh shit Drought is a thing.
Would X be better?
Would X be better?
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If it's X, then it honestly comes down to what's better: Mega Launcher boosted Dragon Pulse or Tough Claws boosted Thunder Punch.
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85 * 1.5 = 127.5 * 2 = 255 (Mega Launcher Dragon Pulse) vs 75 * 1.3 = 97.5 * 2 = 195 (Tough Claws Thunder Punch). Because I don't think Speed is equalized, Charizard can hit Blastoise twice before Blastoise can hit Charizard once.The real cal howard said:
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Because he has two fists! What I meant was Charizard can land two attacks before Blastoise can land one.Drite77 said:
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So? Charizard is agile enough to evade all three cannons.GyroNutz said:
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This is Dragon Pulse vs Thunder Punch. Mega-Blastoise fires three differently colored beams from its three cannons. The beams then combine into a giant multi-colored energy dragon which chomps the opponent with its jaws, causing a large explosion. IF Mega-Charizard can't dodge THAT, he should just lie down in front of Blastoise and die.
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Of course, he can't lear it, but he can learn it. If you breed a male Ampharos/Flaaffy/Mareep that knows Thunder Punch with a female Charizard/Charmeleon/Charmander, the resulting Charmander will have it.Drite77 said:
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Of course, he can't lear it, but he can learn it. If you breed a male Ampharos/Flaaffy/Mareep that knows Thunder Punch with a female Charizard/Charmeleon/Charmander, the resulting Charmander will have it.
No, he doesn't https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Thunder_Punch_(move)
No, he doesn't https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Thunder_Punch_(move)
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No, he doesn't https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Thunder_Punch_(move)Drite77 said:
If the father knows any moves that are TMs or HMs that the baby is also compatible with, it will inherit the move. If a genderless Pokémon breeds with Ditto, the resultant baby will inherit any compatible TM or HM moves that the genderless non-Ditto Pokémon parent knows.
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Why are you all talking about TMs when the Pokemon files include them regardless?
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I think TMs can be used if OP specifies it in the thread.
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Charizard can have Thunder Punch via breed, so it's legal.
I think the major problem Blastoise would have is Dragon Dance, considering Charizard is portrayed already faster than Blastoise. That and the physical boost that Blastoise can counter with Withdraw, but Charizard has Smokescreen and speed amps to prevent getting tagged by Wateer-Type moves.
Now let me see how the moves would interact with each other:
Blastoise:
I think the major problem Blastoise would have is Dragon Dance, considering Charizard is portrayed already faster than Blastoise. That and the physical boost that Blastoise can counter with Withdraw, but Charizard has Smokescreen and speed amps to prevent getting tagged by Wateer-Type moves.
Now let me see how the moves would interact with each other:
Blastoise:
- Aqua Jet: Useful to counter speed amps.
- Tail Whip: To decrease Zard's defense.
- Withdraw: To increase his defense to physical attacks.
- Protect. Self explanatory.
- Water Pulse: Can make Charizard flinch it's stacked with Special moves.
- Iron Defense: Withdraw but quicker.
- Rain Dance to increase the effectiveness of Water Type moves.
- Aqua Ring to self heal.
- Dragon Pulse: The most effective of Blastoise's abilities against Mega X.
- Foresight: Blastoise might be able to counter Smokescreen and speed amps with this. I'm not sure.
- Haze: To reset all the amps to 0.
- Mist: To prevent Smokescreen.
- Mud Sport: To counter Thunder Punch.
- Refresh: More healing.
- Yawn: If Zard falls asleep, game over.
- Outrage: Dragon-Type move but it's physical and Zard can just fly up. If he doesn't win with that, he'd likely lose while confused.
- Liquidation: Might lower Zard's defense.
- Mirror Coat: If Zard uses a special move.
- Counter: Given the case Blast uses a physical move.
- Crunch: Can lower the Defense regardless of Mist.
- Growl: Can lower the Attack.
- Smokescreen: Can lower the accuracy.
- Dragon Rage: Pseudo-Dura Negation I guess.
- Fire Spin: Would damage Blastoise a bit with exposure.
- Scary Face: To lower speed.
- Ancient Power: Might increase all the stats.
- Belly Drum: Dangerous, but could increase Zard's stats at peak potential.
- Dragon Dance: Like I said, AP and speed amps.
- Dragon Rush: Might flinch Blastoise.
- Defog: To counter Mist and decrease the target's evasion.
- Snore: To counter Yawn if Zard's falls asleep.
- Tailwind: Doubles Zard's speed.
- Thunder Punch: The only effective move he has.
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I don't understand why people are saying that he can lear Thunder Punch via breeding. Am i missing something?
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I meant tutor, sorry.
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AFAIK, only TM and HM moves are excluded. Dunno about Tutor Moves. If so, Charizard's screwed.
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Thunderpunch is on Charizard's file.
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If the father knows ANY moves that are TMs or HMs that the baby is also compatible with, it will inherit the move."Drite77 said:
So say you have an Male Ampharos, who can learn Thunder Punch by level up or TM, and you breed it with a Female Charizard, because Charmander can learn Thunder Punch by TM, the resulting Charmander egg will hatch with Thunder Punch, unless it it over written by another move.
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If the father knows ANY moves that are TMs or HMs that the baby is also compatible with, it will inherit the move."
So say you have an Male Ampharos, who can learn Thunder Punch by level up or TM, and you breed it with a Female Charizard, because Charmander can learn Thunder Punch by TM, the resulting Charmander egg will hatch with Thunder Punch, unless it it over written by another move.
By exyension, Charozard can learn Thunder, Thunderbolt, Focus Blast and so on? Yeah, no, besides, if he could receive that by Breed, Bulbapedia would problaby have that written that there, cause Ampharos can learn that via Level up. Thunder Punch is apparently not a common breedable move
So say you have an Male Ampharos, who can learn Thunder Punch by level up or TM, and you breed it with a Female Charizard, because Charmander can learn Thunder Punch by TM, the resulting Charmander egg will hatch with Thunder Punch, unless it it over written by another move.
By exyension, Charozard can learn Thunder, Thunderbolt, Focus Blast and so on? Yeah, no, besides, if he could receive that by Breed, Bulbapedia would problaby have that written that there, cause Ampharos can learn that via Level up. Thunder Punch is apparently not a common breedable move
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So?Drite77 said:
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So he can't have TP via breeding, because TP os not a TM outsode of gen 2 and LGPE. In gen 2, Charizard can't learn TP via TMDrite77 said:
So? He also can't have Ancient Power and Outrage at the same time, but that hasn't matered before.
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