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Bleach Big Calc problems
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Ur missing the point. Because of the wiki standards: you need a hyper direct statement for Ichigo speed > Grimmjow speed not feats, because feats needs calc so it becomes calc stacking.I mean, in the scan, it's pretty clear Grimmjow uses his travel speed there
Grimmjow dashes towards them from far away and then stops in the middle of the battelground
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Can I just ask this, why would we assuming Ichigo constantly flies at Grimmjow's initial dash speed? This seems like combat speed, especially in a verse like bleach where short combat focused movement bursts can be done over irregularly long distances, see literally any Yoruichi fightI mean, in the scan, it's pretty clear Grimmjow uses his travel speed there
Grimmjow dashes towards them from far away and then stops in the middle of the battelground
Rodriiogo
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1. It's for the Shinigami, do you not see it's the calc for 1 week? This has nothing to do with Ichigo, be glad he even gave them superhuman lol.Bro is using superhuman speed for EoS Ichigo
You can't be serious right?
2. You can't use other values for calculations just because the character is faster in their page unless said value is stated. Go read the calc stacking rules.
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This calc is fine tbh
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In the anime he tells Ichigo "it should only take about a week if YOU use flash step" btw. It is 100% not in refrence to random shinigami. So yes this calc would be lowballing the distance, but we have to as to not calc stack
Hellscream
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The 1 week statement is specifically between the interaction between Tanjiro and Ichigo, it's not for "the shinigami"
I shouldn't be glad because downscaling EoS ichigo to superhuman level is a ******* joke.
Stop intentionally lying, and spreading misinformation,
Ichigo trained with S0, tanjiro stated it would take him a week with flash step.
Specifically in reference to ichigo, not random ass shinigami.
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Yeah this is the best method for now.
Rodriiogo
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Seems like the best way if we really want to calculate it yea.
ItsMeat
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Said "short combat focused movement bursts" are literally what it takes to continuously use for an entire week in order to travel between Seiretei and Reiokyu. Bleach characters generally have tons of stamina as I already explained in this thread. 300+ chapters before Ichigo's return to Seiretei, he could already run for an entire week on a threadmill designed to constantly drain his spirituak energy. As long as he has spiritual energy, he'd be able to do it, especially given Shunpo is a technique where you simply travel a lot of distance in one step stamina isn't the problem here
ItsMeat
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It makes no sense given the stuff I mentioned about Grimmjow's lightning speed, but, if according to the rules that's unusable, sure
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I’m not claiming stamina is an issue, the issue is what you stated initially, that shunpo is taking a big step and then slow movement for a second before doing it again, at every point we see a grounded shunpo they are made visible again at one point meaning the speed isn’t 100% constant at all points, and this all ignores us actually seeing Ichigo descend and he lowkey never uses shunpo he just flies
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As much as I also don’t like how some of our rules are, we must follow them. The statements you provided are just combat and reaction speed, and unfortunately it falls on Calc Stacking rules, as much as I think it’s very dumb.
ItsMeat
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We clearly see him accelerate a few times in the short time on screen that features his way from reiokyu to seiretei…I’m not claiming stamina is an issue, the issue is what you stated initially, that shunpo is taking a big step and then slow movement for a second before doing it again, at every point we see a grounded shunpo they are made visible again at one point meaning the speed isn’t 100% constant at all points, and this all ignores us actually seeing Ichigo descend and he lowkey never uses shunpo he just flies
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I think bro wants every verse to mftl+
Hellscream
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Shunpo, Sonido and Hirenkyaku are travel methods that are used for both travel and combat, we did not get any form of differentiation between the two.
Any less is assumption based.
Yamamoto literally complimented the Shunpo of Shunsui, in terms of the amount of distance he could cover in a single step.
So yes, it should absolutely matter.
I would agree with your premises if shunpo was only a combat based technique, but it is not.
Either way, i thoroughly disagree with the "superhuman" calc.
Any less is assumption based.
Yamamoto literally complimented the Shunpo of Shunsui, in terms of the amount of distance he could cover in a single step.
So yes, it should absolutely matter.
I would agree with your premises if shunpo was only a combat based technique, but it is not.
Either way, i thoroughly disagree with the "superhuman" calc.
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doesn't shunpo have a sound effect as well?I’m not claiming stamina is an issue, the issue is what you stated initially, that shunpo is taking a big step and then slow movement for a second before doing it again, at every point we see a grounded shunpo they are made visible again at one point meaning the speed isn’t 100% constant at all points, and this all ignores us actually seeing Ichigo descend and he lowkey never uses shunpo he just flies
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ItsMeat
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It's not very consistent, for example when he blitzes the bambies, there's no shunpo sound effect
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"A shinigami" when Tenjiro says "it should only take about a week if YOU use flash step"
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Seems like a nitpick, also ichigo instantly says he can do it in half a day, so clearly Tenjiro was speaking more generally
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Why use baseline superhuman for this instead of baseline subsonic?
Flashstep is bare minimum treated as being FTE narratively and has you move as a blur or go invisible in short burst, it wouldn't fall into calc stacking and works as a better low end than just superhuman which is kind of egregiously low
ItsMeat
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He actually has a point if you think about it, saying Ichigo is only 14 times faster than random unranked members of Gotei13 at that point is ridiculous…
ItsMeat
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Also great point
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that feat from Grimmjow is neither combat or reaction speed, it's obviously travel speed, he's just running through lightning. I can understand us not using it since he's not stated to be lightning speed but instead just running through lightning which is pretty unusable without even calc stacking (can't even calc it without proper data like distance speed time etc). Not only that but we should be using Subsonic not Superhuman speed, Flashstep is objectively FTE.
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I mean yeah it's a nitpick we alr agreed to a calc, but that there saying a random shinigami does it is just misleading. And that it's a general statement is super headcanonny and just blatantly wrong. He says "YOU" and Ichigo says IF HE HURRIES he can go faster then Tenjiro's expectation. Nowhere are any other shinigami mentioned. Stop with this old gimmick
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Reiokyu-Seireitei Distance Change
Intro So, with the new Bleach anime as the primary canon, I decided to recalc the Reiokyu-Seireitei distance using what we see in the anime rather than the manga. Calcs Here is the old calc. Here is the new calc. The old calc presupposes Ichigo's travel speed, and while I believe the...
I'll post this calc a second time.
The subsonic speed is below bare bare bare minimum, for someone like ichigo.
It's a ridiculous low ball, no offense but i feel like people are trying to pass this downgrade asap just for the sake of downgrading it.
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Personally I agree to M3Xs earlier suggestion of going with speed of sound, I'm sorry the whole VFX argument to try and say they don't exceed sound or to discount mach cones is silly to me when we're clearly shown on screen the stuff happen
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Speed = 343 m/s & Time = 12 hours = 43,200 seconds
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No rest and he isn't talking about the stairs if "he's going to hurry"
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Distance = 43,200 * 343 = 14,817,600 m = 14,817.6 km
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I don’t mind using the speed of sound as I said earlier with @Infinite9Luck method. It yields like, 11000km.
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Okay i will change it to subsonic then if others are fine with it
I will change it to Ichigo then
that has been debunked by Floxy, why do you keep posting itReiokyu-Seireitei Distance Change
Intro So, with the new Bleach anime as the primary canon, I decided to recalc the Reiokyu-Seireitei distance using what we see in the anime rather than the manga. Calcs Here is the old calc. Here is the new calc. The old calc presupposes Ichigo's travel speed, and while I believe the...vsbattles.com
I'll post this calc a second time.
The subsonic speed is below bare bare bare minimum, for someone like ichigo.
It's a ridiculous low ball, no offense but i feel like people are trying to pass this downgrade asap just for the sake of downgrading it.
that was for the falling part
Rodriiogo
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The "speed of sound" suggestion was for Ichigo's fall because he did indeed break the sound barrier there, but that is already talked about to be incalculable since there is no actual timeframe other than the fact that Yhwach takes wayyy less than 6000 seconds to do the same travel.
The replacement calculation is towards the "it will take you a week" statement via the stairs which I think superhuman-subsonic is fine towards that. He doesn't take half a day in the fall wherre he might actually be transonic, not even close.
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I got 14,817.6 km
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11k is when using the 9 hours timeframe
ItsMeat
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Should we use sound speed for Ichigo or for a week of shunpo?
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I see, that's fine then. I just wasn't a fan of those using sour arguments claiming that he did not do so or attributing it to just VFX.
Hellscream
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Okay, Yhwach's method of travel is unknown.
Shunpo is shown to be around that speed bare minimum in general, not in that specific scenario alone lmao.
Ichigo exceeded the speed of sound literally instantly, all of this has been addressed.
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The old Auswahlen calc assumes it went down and back up within just 5 seconds, while in the anime it took 3 seconds just to reach the ground, should i change it to just the trip down?
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