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Bleach Big Calc problems

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ElJoaki5 said:
Yeah id be opposed to using ichigo traveling down at sound speed due to the lack of a concrete timeframe there is to it. Thats why we brought up the week of stair traveling in the first place.
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We have a stated timeframe?
Rodriiogo said:
Yhwach takes wayyy less than 6000 seconds to do the same travel.
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I'm going to be honest: A lot of the people in this thread are just ignoring the debunks they've been giving to their arguments...

Rodriiogo i alr went over this with u. Yhwach isn't using raw travel speed like Ichigo does. We see him go up in a massive beam of light and remember he has the Auswhalen that crosses the distance in about 3 seconds. So yes he has insansely fast techniques that let him cross this distance faster then Ichigo.

The 6,000 seconds is not the total time it takes for the shields to regenerate. Mayuri is measuring the remaining time, but once again your sticking to ur own debunked interpretations.
Rodriiogo said:
The replacement calculation is towards the "it will take you a week" statement via the stairs which I think superhuman-subsonic is fine towards that. He doesn't take half a day in the fall wherre he might actually be transonic, not even close.
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What's ur issue with using the 12 hours for the fall and use the Speed of Sound for that?
 
Overvoid69 said:
Speed = 343 m/s & Time = 12 hours = 43,200 seconds
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No rest and he isn't talking about the stairs if "he's going to hurry"
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Distance = 43,200 * 343 = 14,817,600 m = 14,817.6 km
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This doesn't seem to account for the spiral shape of the staircase. Throwing it in the same formula as the previous method:
14,817,600/18.4185039482*5.19919463087 = 4,182,727.68402

So almost 4200 kilometers.
 
DavidTPPM said:
This doesn't seem to account for the spiral shape of the staircase. Throwing it in the same formula as the previous method:
14,817,600/18.4185039482*5.19919463087 = 4,182,727.68402

So almost 4200 kilometers.
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"If he's going to hurry" Why do u think he's thinking about using the stairs? Mind you its supposed to take a week if HE uses the stairs not random shinigami, so don't even bring that up. He's very obv saying if he just flies down he can get there in 12 hours instead of a whole week with the stairs.
 
Overvoid69 said:
"If he's going to hurry" Why do u think he's thinking about using the stairs? Mind you its supposed to take a week if HE uses the stairs not random shinigami, so don't even bring that up. He's very obv saying if he just flies down he can get there in 12 hours instead of a whole week with the stairs.
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This was already refuted, why are we going over this AGAIN
 
DavidTPPM said:
This doesn't seem to account for the spiral shape of the staircase. Throwing it in the same formula as the previous method:
14,817,600/18.4185039482*5.19919463087 = 4,182,727.68402

So almost 4200 kilometers.
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This is from the fall iirc
 
We were really going to reach a consensus with the stair calc. Can we not go over everything again?
We should just go with the updated stair end and finish this thread at this point.
 
Mommyleona said:
This was already refuted, why are we going over this AGAIN
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Which was? I never argued on that so idk. You and a few others kee[ ignoring the debunks me and others have provided, therefore I can't trust the "This was already refuted" when u and Roiichi just love ignoring the debunks 😂
 
Overvoid69 said:
"If he's going to hurry" Why do u think he's thinking about using the stairs? Mind you its supposed to take a week if HE uses the stairs not random shinigami, so don't even bring that up. He's very obv saying if he just flies down he can get there in 12 hours instead of a whole week with the stairs.
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M3X_2.0 said:
This is from the fall iirc
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Oooh mb I misread the comment.

But hasn't the free fall argument been explicitly debunked? With the 6000 second thingy.
If not then mb again, it's hard to keep up with the current consensus with so many messages when people randomly rage spam the thread
 
ElJoaki5 said:
We were really going to reach a consensus with the stair calc. Can we not go over everything again?
We should just go with the updated stair end and finish this thread at this point.
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the consensus should really be voiding the distance entirely icl I REALLY don’t think there is a valid way to get distance from a place that loses an entire sun and has zero effect on the lower planet
 
Overvoid69 said:
Which was? I never argued on that so idk. You and a few others kee[ ignoring the debunks me and others have provided, therefore I can't trust the "This was already refuted" when u and Roiichi just love ignoring the debunks 😂
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As I said towards that, I wiill not be going over the same thing over again because in my opinion I already refuted your points and you just repeated them, you have your own opinion that I actually got debunked, that's fine, I said I would wait for CGMs to make a decision towards that. That's the whole reason I didn't answer:
Rodriiogo said:
Genuinely this has gotten to a point of straight up denial and ignorance of the points brought up. At this point just let CGMs read the thread and make their decision. You laid out your counters and all of them are already addressed so I won't respond for the literal 500th time just because people wanna ignore stuff for the sake of getting bigger sizes because they want bigger numbers for their verse.

You yourselves think your arguments are good and that I "didn't address yours", then let CGMs just read now, surely you are confident at this point that they will pick yours man and I'm tired of laying out the same arguments and having to explain why the way of getting timeframes are ridiculous, why the sizes are ridiculous, why the dimension stuff is ridiculous even tho it got debunked like a total of 7 times during the thread. Genuinely unbelievable.
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If CGMs disagree with my arguments then so be it, but in my opinion I already said enough about that to make my case clear and don't want to repeat myself on the same topic for the 20th time. Thread is already long enough and we will go in cirlces.
 
I think that's already two CGMs agreeing with using that calculation. Not sure about Dale but he seemed fine with using Subsonic in the calc.
 
DavidTPPM said:
Oooh mb I misread the comment.

But hasn't the free fall argument been explicitly debunked? With the 6000 second thingy.
If not then mb again, it's hard to keep up with the current consensus with so many messages when people randomly rage spam the thread
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No, i've already gone on this and I'll quickly summarize it. Mayuri never says the 6000 seconds is in refrence to the entire regeneration time of the barriers. He just says "it will take 6,000 seconds" "will". This can be taken as it's the remaining time and not that it's the total time, and correct me if I'm wrong it was either Rodrigo or Leona who brought this statement up. So the burden of proof is on them to prove Mayuri meant the total time not the remaining time, but they were never able to and now hes trying to say it was "resovled".
Rodriiogo said:
As I said towards that, I wiill not be going over the same thing over again because in my opinion I already refuted your points and you just repeated them so I would wait for CGMs to make a decision towards that. That's the whole reason I didn't answer:
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You never refuted this on page 5 which was the last message on the 6,000 seconds thing. So no you never refuted anything stop clogging the thread with useless replies like this where u just lie outta ur ass instead of adding something constructive...
 
My opinion is we either use speed of sound for Ichigo on a timeframe of 9 hours or 12 hours, or use the stairs calc as it is.

If you guys have a different method or need evaluation, let me know. Since Dale and Damage are aware of this thread I think I can leave for now.
 
M3X_2.0 said:
My opinion is we either use speed of sound for Ichigo on a timeframe of 9 hours or 12 hours, or use the stairs calc as it is.

If you guys have a different method or need evaluation, let me know. Since Dale and Damage are aware of this thread I think I can leave for now.
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Regarding calc stacking, would using Mach 500 be calc stacking? Scaling Ichigo to the speed of a weaker characters Zanpakuto from Arrancar arc?
 
M3X_2.0 said:
My opinion is we either use speed of sound for Ichigo on a timeframe of 9 hours or 12 hours, or use the stairs calc as it is.

If you guys have a different method or need evaluation, let me know. Since Dale and Damage are aware of this thread I think I can leave for now.
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I don't know why we'd use the lower stair method of 6k km
When we have calcs that get it to 11k/15k km
Especially becaues the 6km end has to lowball the feat by using subsonic speed for Ichigo, hence it'd be more unreliable (I'm not saying we should calc stack, but it is inherently more un reliable)
Therefore the 11k/15km that me and @Infinite9Luck made should be used instead
 
@Damage3245 @Dalesean027 what do you guys agree with? Using the stairs method from Leona’s calc, or using Ichigo’s flying down at the speed of sound?

I think both work and either could be used. Joak voted for the stairs one. Vote wise it’s 2-1 for stairs, I voted for both, Joak for stairs.
 
Overvoid69 said:
I don't know why we'd use the lower stair method of 6k km
When we have calcs that get it to 11k/15k km
Especially becaues the 6km end has to lowball the feat by using subsonic speed for Ichigo, hence it'd be more unreliable (I'm not saying we should calc stack, but it is inherently more un reliable)
Therefore the 11k/15km that me and @Infinite9Luck made should be used instead
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because 12 hours are not about the fall.
It goes
A week with Shunpo casually (By Tenjiro, not Ichigo) -> half a day with Shunpo if Ichigo hurries (why would he be talking about jumping, at that point he does not know the war started)-> Invasion actually started, so Ichigo just jumps down straight up, thus going even faster

9 hours have been refuted by rodrii before
 
M3X_2.0 said:
@Damage3245 @Dalesean027 what do you guys agree with? Using the stairs method from Leona’s calc, or using Ichigo’s flying down at the speed of sound?

I think both work and either could be used. Joak voted for the stairs one. Vote wise it’s 2-1 for stairs, I voted for both, Joak for stairs.
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Im also fine for both
 
Mommyleona said:
because 12 hours are not about the fall.
It goes
A week with Shunpo casually (By Tenjiro, not Ichigo) -> half a day with Shunpo if Ichigo hurries (why would he be talking about jumping, at that point he does not know the war started)-> Invasion actually started, so Ichigo just jumps down straight up, thus going even faster

9 hours have been by rodrii before
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Tenjiro is clearly talking about Ichigos shunpo speed down the stairs as he was apart of training them and is a top tier who can gauge characters strength and speed. This explains why he was so shocked Ichigo could do it in half a day it doesn't make sense for there to be a 14 x difference in how fast he gauged Ichigo would be, therefore his surprise is clearly about Ichigo jumping down instead of taking the stairs. Shunpo is ALREADY Ichigo's full speed, so yes IT HAS TO BE in refrence to Ichigo jumping instead of taking the stairs. That's the only thing "If i hurry" could mean. The 12 hours is 100% the fall

You and Rodrii keep repeating ur debunked points just stop typing atp
 
Overvoid69 said:
I don't know why we'd use the lower stair method of 6k km
When we have calcs that get it to 11k/15k km
Especially becaues the 6km end has to lowball the feat by using subsonic speed for Ichigo, hence it'd be more unreliable (I'm not saying we should calc stack, but it is inherently more un reliable)
Therefore the 11k/15km that me and @Infinite9Luck made should be used instead
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If we have to do anything with these calcs (as I don’t think it should have a distance, the sun literally disappears with ZERO influence on the SS below) why not just have either one listed as lowball, have one listed as midball, and another as highball.The argument for it not being a 12 hour fall isn’t compelling enough to toss the 15k one for me
 
Overvoid69 said:
I don't know why we'd use the lower stair method of 6k km
When we have calcs that get it to 11k/15k km
Especially becaues the 6km end has to lowball the feat by using subsonic speed for Ichigo, hence it'd be more unreliable (I'm not saying we should calc stack, but it is inherently more un reliable)
Therefore the 11k/15km that me and @Infinite9Luck made should be used instead
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Why not go all the way and use lightspeed shunpo bro. That's clearly more reliable than subsonic via FTE args
 
Overvoid69 said:
Holy strawman just delete the msg atp 😂
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You didn't explain anything but rather just begged the question. You just claimed subsonic via FTE is less reliable than supersonic because "its a lowball, thus inherently more unreliable". If we're gonna use values determined from prior scaling (thus calc stacking despite you claiming you didn't say that), go all-in here and don't chicken out with a lesser result than Ichigo's actual scaling lmao. Point is, the lightspeed comment was sarcasm to show that 'lowball = unreliable' isn't a valid debunk

The stair result is fine btw
 
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Saqphire said:
You didn't explain anything but rather just begged the question. You just claimed subsonic via FTE is less reliable than supersonic because "its a lowball, thus inherently more unreliable". If we're gonna use values determined from prior scaling (thus calc stacking despite you claiming you didn't say that), go all-in here and don't chicken out with a lesser result than Ichigo's actual scaling lmao. Point is, the lightspeed comment was sarcasm to show that 'lowball = unreliable' isn't a valid debunk

The stair result is fine btw
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Imma put it this way
If the stair calc has to make the assumption of lowballing Ichigo's speed by using FTE
But the fall calc doesn't lowball Ichigos speed with a assumption and it instead uses the feat of Ichigo breaking the sound barrier, it's inherently more reliable because it doesn't need to make a assumption to lowball Ichigo's speed. Therefore it's a more reliable method of calcing the distance.
A calc that lowballs a persons speed is obv less reliable
 
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