Chainsaw Man discussion thread

[Bruh]

About 10500km of distance if we assume he starts above the white house (where the president was) and ends in Nikaho (nikaho is a small city so doesn't varies where for the distance)

That's speed of Mach 17, 65% of his current speed

So 5 minutes timeframe would be a significant upscale to Mach 102 but it's still an assumed timeframe

Maybe wait for the anime

 

[NikHelton]

As I understand it, Oregon's calculation was adopted? To whom does this apply?

 

[Bruh]

As I understand it, Oregon's calculation was adopted? To whom does this apply?

We still havent agreed on whether to scale the swords to K.E or Destruction yet. But for now only Yoru's AP scale and maybe Pochita's chainsaws if Gunshy want to go in that directiom

 

[NikHelton]

We still havent agreed on whether to scale the swords to K.E or Destruction yet. But for now only Yoru's AP scale and maybe Pochita's chainsaws if Gunshy want to go in that directiom

I don't want to throw a spanner in the works, because I genuinely love Chainsaw Part 1, but I honestly think this should only apply to "Environmental Destruction." If you create a miniature Sun with hax and it gives you 6-C, that doesn't mean every swing of that Sun will be 6-C.
At least, it doesn't really jibe with the fact that Pochita was almost destroyed by a High 7-A/6-C attack earlier.

 

[GunshyFever]

You can feel that way. However, the very mechanics of the sword would cause it to scale to its destruction, along with the fact that this is the entire reason Yoru created it after being pushed into a corner by Pochita. Scaling is inevitable.

 

[Bruh]

We were making fun about how silly it is that Yoru could legit turn a whole Solar system into a weapon but it would still only be City lv with our logic, back when the chapters were first coming out

 

[NikHelton]

You can feel that way. However, the very mechanics of the sword would cause it to scale to its destruction, along with the fact that this is the entire reason Yoru created it after being pushed into a corner by Pochita. Scaling is inevitable.

Yes, she could have created at least a 7-A weapon this way. The fact that it struck Pochita gives an uncertain value. We still can't say that a swing of this sword is equivalent to the energy required to destroy an entire state.

 

[GunshyFever]

We still can't say that a swing of this sword is equivalent to the energy required to destroy an entire state.

You don't have to worry about me taking the weight and K.E route. I disagree with it as a whole and it is far less consistent in comparison to the destruction route, which I personally will be working with.

 

[NikHelton]

You don't have to worry about me taking the weight and K.E route. I disagree with it as a whole and it is far less consistent in comparison to the destruction route, which I personally will be working with.

Oh, then I'll wait for your version

 

[Breadbear83]

anyone know what did Eljoaki5 meant with the acceleration here?

for the crosses thing, i assume he meant trying to get a size of the crosses, to then compare them to the ground (good idea as the ground visibly has 6 crosses seen from above)

i got the ground to have over 3x more volume (also from a mistake of the original calc that lowered it) compared the crosses to a panel where makimas shoulders were smaller than them (when she was hugging pochitas hearth)

 

[Alexander]

Why didn't we give everyone who was able to be on the time stopped and infinitely looped realm of Eternity Devil the time stop resistance?

 

[Breadbear83]

Why didn't we give everyone who was able to be on the time stopped and infinitely looped realm of Eternity Devil the time stop resistance?

dude even random teenagers like haruka could move in it casually, he cant paralyze people inside his realm, gravity for example works at how they can drink and eat (without any struggle, normally it would be annoying)

 

[Bruh]

Why didn't we give everyone who was able to be on the time stopped and infinitely looped realm of Eternity Devil the time stop resistance?

Time only stopped for those outside Eternity's space, those inside still experienced it normally

 

[Alexander]

Time only stopped for those outside Eternity's space, those inside still experienced it normally

Ahm...what?
I am entirely sure that the thing is that it stops time to be 8:18 from the inside, and it doesn't move from there, for all intents and purposes, time is stopped inside of it and while they can still experience time, it is mostly through them counting it, and not because time passes there in reality.

 

[Bruh]

Ahm...what?
I am entirely sure that the thing is that it stops time to be 8:18 from the inside, and it doesn't move from there, for all intents and purposes, time is stopped inside of it and while they can still experience time, it is mostly through them counting it, and not because time passes there in reality.

Gravity still works, even regular fishes and sea animals experienced time and dies, hell even Asa cell phone and other electronics works and they can make thing like fires to cook food. The only thing that stops are clocks and watches, so for all intents and purposes time still flow, just disconnected from the outside world

 

[Breadbear83]

its late at night so This CRT is incompleted in the Katana Man part, but otherwise fine

Chainsaw Man: Minor God tiers AP, Attack ranges and Katana Man revisions

this is gonna be some quick stuff Summary of changes: Upgrade of God tiers AP from High 7A to 6C due to Gun Goddess Feat being slightly recalced Upgrade in attack range from Hundreds of Kilometers to Thousands of Kilometers for Makima, Gun Devil and Yoru (and Pochita getting another one)...

vsbattles.com

 

[Bruh]

Anyone else confused on why Bat Devil have such good regen for a low lv Devil when most other Devils that we see cant regen limbs ?

 

[Breadbear83]

Anyone else confused on why Bat Devil have such good regen for a low lv Devil when most other Devils that we see cant regen limbs ?

He regenerated a limb after eating a lot of blood, and as a full devil, would had more regeneration than power who could heal from her injuries from the darkness devil (likely with blood) and also from snapped necks

Also even thought angel couldn't regenerate his arm for some reason, he seemingly regenerated from darkness devil doing mental damage to him

Also bat devil isn't a weak devil if you aim at realistic standards, he's stronger than any Fiend and would still be stronger than Post training Power, he just loses at hybrid-level devil who are at the peak of non gun devil-level devils

 

[Bruh]

Looking back Aging should get Enhanced Sight for spotting Pochita despite being indoor faraway and Fissionism for seperating Denji and Pochita

 

[Breadbear83]

Looking back Aging should get Enhanced Sight for spotting Pochita despite being indoor faraway and Fissionism for seperating Denji and Pochita

Yeah he should

You should make a CRT of some abilities additions to characters that you have thought

 

[Bruh]

Yeah he should

You should make a CRT of some abilities additions to characters that you have thought

Dont know the first thing about making a thread here so i'd rather wait until someone like Gunshy bring up an idea for one to suggest points to them

 

[Breadbear83]

Dont know the first thing about making a thread here so i'd rather wait until someone like Gunshy bring up an idea for one to suggest points to them

Try to give summary of changes first, separate per characters and abilities with link to scans showings the feat, a little explanation of them (at a certain degree assuming the reader does not have too much knowledge of CSM), and not much more

Most are just to have stuff organized as staff members have limited time to read CRTs, but bare minimum is giving scans and explaining everything

You could use places like catbox,imgur or imgchest to upload your scans, and get scans of Chainsaw Man from websites like mangad3x

 

[GunshyFever]

Hey everyone. I wanted to ask if there would be any issue with adding the {{Outdated}} template to the Chainsaw Man profiles that no longer line up with the verse's current scaling and are still using older 2024 era ratings.

This would not be me applying any new statistics or making profile revisions yet, only be a temporary notice to clarify that several pages are outdated until the necessary CRT(s) are made and accepted. If the response to this is mostly positive and there are no major objections after 24 hours, I will add the template to the affected pages tomorrow. Thanks.

 

[Bruh]

Hey everyone. I wanted to ask if there would be any issue with adding the {{Outdated}} template to the Chainsaw Man profiles that no longer line up with the verse's current scaling and are still using older 2024 era ratings.

This would not be me applying any new statistics or making profile revisions yet, only be a temporary notice to clarify that several pages are outdated until the necessary CRT(s) are made and accepted. If the response to this is mostly positive and there are no major objections after 24 hours, I will add the template to the affected pages tomorrow. Thanks.

I dont really see any problem with that

 

[Bruh]

Btw Gunshy are you planning on an ability addition CRT anytime soon

 

[Breadbear83]

Hey everyone. I wanted to ask if there would be any issue with adding the {{Outdated}} template to the Chainsaw Man profiles that no longer line up with the verse's current scaling and are still using older 2024 era ratings.

This would not be me applying any new statistics or making profile revisions yet, only be a temporary notice to clarify that several pages are outdated until the necessary CRT(s) are made and accepted. If the response to this is mostly positive and there are no major objections after 24 hours, I will add the template to the affected pages tomorrow. Thanks.

That's usually for extreme cases where there are some ongoing or needed important recalcs, unapplied CRTs and more,but for character needing part 2 content it would be fine

You'd need a CRT for why adding it and to what profiles tho

 

[Mommyleona]

You'd need a CRT for why adding it and to what profiles tho

He doesnt actually

 

[GunshyFever]

Btw Gunshy are you planning on an ability addition CRT anytime soon

Eventually, yeah.

 

[Bruh]

Eventually, yeah.

Can you add some of the points i talked about lately to it: Resist to Fear and Madness for Pochita, PFB Yoru and possibly Primals, Enhanced Sight and Fissionism for Aging

 

[GunshyFever]

Can you add some of the points i talked about lately to it: Resist to Fear and Madness for Pochita, PFB Yoru and possibly Primals, Enhanced Sight and Fissionism for Aging

It's a lot more complicated than the face value idea of "they did not tweak out so they resist". But I will look into them when the time is right and tell you about the consensus I came to.

 

[Bruh]

It's a lot more complicated than the face value idea of "they did not tweak out so they resist". But I will look into them when the time is right and tell you about the consensus I came to.

Thanks

 

[Breadbear83]

Calc 2 and 4 of the thread are accepted, Drite77 didnt agree for calc 3 and 5, im fine for Calc 5 but Calc 3 could have a different opinion from other CGMs

Eljoaki5 tagged some CGMS to discuss Violent fragmentation for oregon sword (calc 1) but got abandoned...

Calc 2 and 4 are accepted, calc 5 was rejected but too minor to bother

Calc 3 (pochita tossing ground) Eljoaki5 accepted a recalc based on the original methodica, only changing the weight, it gave nearly baseline Class M, lower than snake devil LS tho

Dunno if maybe in the future I'll try to see if the quicker timeframe gets accepted (would give over 30000 Metric tons), as theres already 2 CGMs disagreeing with it

(Gunshy is the CRT about Oregon sword coming soon? Still looking for some CGM to see if they accept the violent fragmentation that Eljoaki5 agreed but wanted someone else to give their opinion)

 

[Breadbear83]

It's a lot more complicated than the face value idea of "they did not tweak out so they resist". But I will look into them when the time is right and tell you about the consensus I came to.

Calc 2 and 4 are accepted, calc 5 was rejected but too minor to bother

Calc 3 (pochita tossing ground) Eljoaki5 accepted a recalc based on the original methodica, only changing the weight, it gave nearly baseline Class M, lower than snake devil LS tho

Dunno if maybe in the future I'll try to see if the quicker timeframe gets accepted (would give over 30000 Metric tons), as theres already 2 CGMs disagreeing with it

(Gunshy is the CRT about Oregon sword coming soon? Still looking for some CGM to see if they accept the violent fragmentation that Eljoaki5 agreed but wanted someone else to give their opinion)

Gunshy is Oregon CRT coming soon? i have some fate that at least 1 CGM soon will come to vote for Violent fragmentation for oregon so Eljoaki5 is now sure to apply it

 

[Alexander]

Objective fact:
Devils>concept that they embody.
Yes, they get stronger thanks to the fear, but they should usually be stronger than the concept they embody regardless of being weakened or not.

 

[Breadbear83]

Objective fact:
Devils>concept that they embody.
Yes, they get stronger thanks to the fear, but they should usually be stronger than the concept they embody regardless of being weakened or not.

id agree with it, with how many random animals based devils are just bigger and stronger versions of the animal (there was a frog devil bigger than a person)

however Makima Mentioned that there was once a devil embodying the concept of a star that broke Childrens minds, its obvious that Devil wasnt Star Level nor Pochita would scale there by eating him, also the eternity devil (whos japanese name also refers to infinity) does not hold literally infite power, at most making a seemingly infinite sized realm

it may be that they are embodying those concepts at more vague levels, not the whole star but only how it broke childrens minds (also yoru mentioned a ´´moon Devil´´ when trying to find out who was falling devil, same thing as star devil)

generally a devils power seems to be capped by the consistency of the powerscaling of the verse, its not how it ´´should´´ be

 

[GunshyFever]

Gunshy is Oregon CRT coming soon? i have some fate that at least 1 CGM soon will come to vote for Violent fragmentation for oregon so Eljoaki5 is now sure to apply it

I'm currently revising the entire verse and I have a lot to cover. So far, a lot of statistics are going to be changing, including removing mid tiers from being High Hypersonic and placing them closer to bullet timers.

However, some distinct characters above that like Kishibe, could likely land in their own Hypersonic to Hypersonic+ territory again. For his feat, Life of King suggested that we use slow-mo for Power's blood spears instead, and while we are at it, we can use his revised Katana Man calc which Base Form Quanxi will scale to. From there all the scaling flows like water.

We can deal with large scale calcs like the Oregon Sword after we finish renovating these outdated profiles.

 

[Alexander]

id agree with it, with how many random animals based devils are just bigger and stronger versions of the animal (there was a frog devil bigger than a person)

however Makima Mentioned that there was once a devil embodying the concept of a star that broke Childrens minds, its obvious that Devil wasnt Star Level nor Pochita would scale there by eating him, also the eternity devil (whos japanese name also refers to infinity) does not hold literally infite power, at most making a seemingly infinite sized realm

it may be that they are embodying those concepts at more vague levels, not the whole star but only how it broke childrens minds (also yoru mentioned a ´´moon Devil´´ when trying to find out who was falling devil, same thing as star devil)

generally a devils power seems to be capped by the consistency of the powerscaling of the verse, its not how it ´´should´´ be

I mean Aging Devil is able to manipulate time and create a entire realm where time doesn't pass (or more like "aging" and people are immortal) even when it's concept is...the concept of beings aging...
So yeah, mostly i could believe that the star is actually a star and is just that it has the power to break the mind of children

 

[Breadbear83]

I'm currently revising the entire verse and I have a lot to cover. So far, a lot of statistics are going to be changing, including removing mid tiers from being High Hypersonic and placing them closer to bullet timers.

However, some distinct characters above that like Kishibe, could likely land in their own Hypersonic to Hypersonic+ territory again. For his feat, Life of King suggested that we use slow-mo for Power's blood spears instead, and while we are at it, we can use his revised Katana Man calc, which Base Form Quanxi will scale to. From there all the scaling flows like water.

We can deal with large scale calcs like the Oregon Sword after be finish renovating these outdated profiles.

alright, as for kishibe blitzing denji, i recall (and just checked) on the 3 shots of he blitzing him, in the 1st and 3rd he does move without denji moving (only denji moves when the kick landed), in the 2nd one, when kishibe moves a bit his shoulder, Denji glasses fall a bit, thats technically moving but it could be an ´´animation error´´ of having falling glasses before the kick landed, as that was due to the kick

id argue that again, as for Power slow mo, it rather seems the blood moves significantly, only paralyzes when they are broken

guess ima actually do the Violence Fiend outrunning Rezees explosion, was kinda busy with other stuff

 

[Breadbear83]

alright, as for kishibe blitzing denji, i recall (and just checked) on the 3 shots of he blitzing him, in the 1st and 3rd he does move without denji moving (only denji moves when the kick landed), in the 2nd one, when kishibe moves a bit his shoulder, Denji glasses fall a bit, thats technically moving but it could be an ´´animation error´´ of having falling glasses before the kick landed, as that was due to the kick

id argue that again, as for Power slow mo, it rather seems the blood moves significantly, only paralyzes when they are broken

guess ima actually do the Violence Fiend outrunning Rezees explosion, was kinda busy with other stuff

even more, in the 2nd shot, when Denji ´´moves´´ before the kick landed, his axe goes behind, even thought he was actively aiming towards Kishibe, so it really was an animation error of having the effects of the landed kick, before the kick landed

 

[GunshyFever]

even more, in the 2nd shot, when Denji ´´moves´´ before the kick landed, his axe goes behind, even thought he was actively aiming towards Kishibe, so it really was an animation error of having the effects of the landed kick, before the kick landed

So you believe that slo-mo could still be used for the Denji interaction?