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question... How can time be 1D?????
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Changes to 3-A in the tiering system (Staff only)
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Because time itself is only one dimension. Time isn't the "Fourth dimension", there's just three space dimensions and one time dimension. If space isn't being affected, then only one dimension (time) is being affected.
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Timelines generally equate to universes and by doing shit to those you take the other 3 spatial dimensions with you, though I'm pretty sure there's a couple of low 2-Cs out there with "created time" as their justification.
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Tiering System:2-C: Low Multiverse level
- Universe level+: ("Low 2-C") This is for characters who can destroy and/or create the entire 4-dimensional space-time of a single universe, not just the physical matter within one. For example, an entire timeline.
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No he's saying that time itself is only one dimension, which is correct. A temporal dimension isn't instantly equivalent to 4 spatial ones. Space-TimeÔëáTime, and a Timeline generally equates to the former.
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@Eli That's cause destroying time rarely means destroying a single dimensional axis, which doesn't even make sense without math or concept bases powers. It usually just refers to destroying the timeline.
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Currently on High 3-A Tiering System section:Agnaa said:
- Also take note that we consider most small scale time-space abilities as hax, not as AP.
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About tier merging, right?
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As I said in the last thread, I think Low 2-C should be rewritten in the style of High 2-A to keep consistency with other tiers, going from this:
To (changed emboldened):
I'm not exactly sure how many currently High 3-A characters would count for Low 2-C under this definition, if any, but I think the tiering system should account for 4-D characters, as it does for 5-D, 2-D, 1337-D, etc.
| This is for characters who can destroy and/or create the entire 4-dimensional space-time of a single universe, not just the physical matter within one. For example, an entire timeline. |
| This is for characters who are four-dimensional, and/or can destroy and/or create the entire 4-dimensional space-time of a single universe, not just the physical matter within one. For example, an entire timeline. |
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Time itself is indeed 1-D yesAgnaa said:
Time without space is something meaningless, same for space itself
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Fiction is never really consistent with the definition of dimension, and neither is reality for that matter. Reason Ultima Reality's doing the revision.
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Even if no fiction currently on the site would have a 4-D character under that definition, isn't it still worthwhile for our tiering system to cover it? A piece of fiction could come around that treats higher-dimensional characters as superior and has a 4-D one.
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Sorry for saying this so late into the revision but, is there an actual reason for 3-A and high 3-A to be the same tier?
We differentiate between an infinite and finite scale for other tiers (2-B and 2-A, 1-B and high 1-B) so am I missing some important reasoning behind this change? If so, sorry but if not, I don't think we should take up such a big task of editing for an unnecessary change.
We differentiate between an infinite and finite scale for other tiers (2-B and 2-A, 1-B and high 1-B) so am I missing some important reasoning behind this change? If so, sorry but if not, I don't think we should take up such a big task of editing for an unnecessary change.
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I think someone was going to bring up issues with using SCP's statements of dimensionality after Ultima's revisions, but SCP-4444 might get around that if it's shown to have a large degree of control over reality.Dargoo Faust said:
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I need this answered before the revisions begin
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Yeah, I'm not sure if merging those tiers are good ideas either. The only part that was agreed was to get rid of the "4-D structures less than universal" since that makes no sense at all. But I think Infinite sized universes and Finite sized universes might still have distinctions. This includes various ancient mythologies that have literally infinite sized flat oceans for example.
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I hope that I'd sufficiently explained why "4-D structures less than universal" makes sense and is necessary in the tiering system.DarkDragonMedeus said:
It seems to essentially be for 4-D beings that haven't shown to affect an entire timeline, like how characters can be High 2-A via being 5-D even if they haven't been shown to affect an entire multiverse. Removing this would make 4-D the only dimension number that is Unknown by default.
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The point was Ultima Reality's tiering system mentioning that we need more elaborate context than X-dimensional or upper dimensional planes to qualify for Tier 2 or above tiering systems. Hyperbolic Time Chamber could be interpreted as an example of a "4-D structure less than universal", but destroying it is just a low end Planet level feat; that feat alone clearly isn't High 3-A.
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Yes there is, the High 3-A tiering for character with a Limited 4-D feat will be removedAntvasima said:
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@Dark Yes, but even after those revisions the most that a verse will be required to meet for dimensional statements to be accepted as they currently are, is a statement that higher dimensions are superior to lower ones. If a verse meets this requirement, 4 dimensions with no feats is the only number that would give them an Unknown rating.
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It was decided that 4-Ds with qualitative superiority over 3-Ds would just become low 2-C and low 2-C's definition would be changed to accommodate them.
Personally, I don't see why this is necessary at all. Although I am not as invested in arguing against this as others seem to be in arguing for this.
Personally, I don't see why this is necessary at all. Although I am not as invested in arguing against this as others seem to be in arguing for this.
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I would appreciate if somebody can write a summary of how exactly we need to change our current Tiering System definition text.
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While we're on the subject of changing important pages, can we remove the "currently <insert old use here>" parts from Attack Potency? I haven't seen + misused since Chiyo (Ane Naru Mono).
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