Continuation Steven Universe Revision

[Matthew_Schroeder]

>Few calcs were unusable

Then what's the problem if most calcs are fine?

Not sure what's wrong with all the calcs and with Mass-Energy Conversion.

 

[Antoniofer]

Most of the calcs are considerable below those, and the M-E convertion has to be decided. If wondering why we shouldn't use then there's a few reasons in OP, and I guess back in the previous thread. Rasoning, even if they aren't downgraded, needs to be changed.

Minor changes involve de Memory Manipulation of Garnet (that she do not have), Aquamarine not scaling to Alex and changing the Relativistic+ to a palin Relativistic.

 

[Cropfist]

>Few calcs were unusable
Then what's the problem if most calcs are fine?

that's, not a typing error...?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It's one thing for a feat to be lower, it's another thing entirely for a lower feat to be presented as a limit.

I have no opinion on the powers and speed, just AP.

 

[Antoniofer]

Welp, speed isn't into play (not quite a downgrade, just a typo), every is about AP of gems of Garnet's (and Opal) level, since destroying the core do not means nothing (Pearl even said is fragile), and the sun's core was debunked so everything reduced to using E-M convertion.

I think that we already agreed in putting aside the High 6-A stat from Aquamarine for being misleading (It do not produce energy or damage at a High 6-A level, it just paralyse and tk).

There's no current problem with the Memory Manipulation nor the speed one.

@Cropfist, I think (?), what I meant is that the current justification is refering to a acalc that is not applicable to scale.

 

[Gojira1234]

The logic we're using is that Garnet and Amethyst were attacking the eye during the entire episode and couldn't destroy it, this has nothing to do with the other fusions.

It's PiS of it being the first (or second) episode and then needing to introduce certain concepts to the show. It's an outlier.

 

[Tipoima]

Damn, I'm missing everything again.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Bump

 

[Antoniofer]

Energy convertion aside, we still need to remove the Memory Manipulation from Garnet, change the speed rating and adjust Aquamarine's AP. I think we can proceed to do these changes.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

You're going to have to make make a tractor beam crt if you want to change aquamarine's ap

 

[Damage3245]

Aquamarine should also have Status Effect Inducement linked on her profile under Paralysis.

I'm kinda surprised that Paralysis itself doesn't have a page.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Paralysis Inducement

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

You're going to have to make make a tractor beam crt if you want to change aquamarine's ap

We already answered this several times. There is no rule for it being used for AP like that, so others doing it has nothing to do with this.


You also kinda didn't give links to the verses that use them. Or I missed it, in which case please qoute it.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

We already went over the tractor beam AP, it's not part of the actual rules, so if other verses use it, that's their problem.

 

[Antoniofer]

It involve Star Trek, also the case there is kinda different: it use KE, so the reasoning is "it can move an object at X speed, it can move an star so it can yield at most E", and pretty sure people who known about Star Trek known it; here in the other hand scaling is being use, but it can't cuz the attack do not cause damage, didn't damage High 6-A character (actually can't damage) so can't be scaled to it.

 

[Damage3245]

Paralysis Inducement

Huh. That should be linked on the Status Effect Inducement page. It's like the only one that isn't linked.

 

[Antoniofer]

So, one last doubt that do not involve "other verse do it too" or "you need to downgrade X first in order to downgrade Y" before apply the changes?

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

I just wonder why she hasn't been downgrded already.

 

[Antoniofer]

I just wonder why she hasn't been downgrded already.

To be polite, we have the bad habit for "ask permission" to one staff member in order to upgrade/downgrade it, so even if most people agree we are "forced" to wait for its word. Anyway, I guess there's no more doubts about and I'm going to start changing the profiles.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Cuts to Weekly changing the Gem Warship's justification for AP in the middle of a discussion.

 

[Antoniofer]

Ok, we are done with the Memory, Speed and Aquamarine's issues, now we can go back to the e-m convertion that iirc was the main one.

 

[SchroKatze]

Bump

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Are all the SU threads just becoming active at the same time now?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

So, uh, can we start discussing and aplying stuff?

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

I guess?

 

[Antoniofer]

I already made the minor changes, such the Aquamarine, Memory Manipilation and speed, but apparently "we" never get a conclusion about the Satellize scaling nor the E-M convertion.

 

[CinnabarManx421]

Also, why is Aqua "Unknown" when she has a 6-B feat?

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Yet, Aqua knocked out Steven.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

All Gems should have type 8 based on their gemstones for the same reason sailor moon characters have it

 

[CinnabarManx421]

Got it right this time Weekly?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Ye

 

[Damage3245]

Also, why is Aqua "Unknown" when she has a 6-B feat?

What is the 6-B feat exactly?

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Yet, Aqua knocked out Steven.

 

[Damage3245]

Yet, Aqua knocked out Steven.

Ah, my bad. For some reason I thought the shield was 6-B instead of Steven himself.

Though really... I really have a hard time actually seeing Steven as being that durable.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Bump?

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

So, are you guys going to decide the E-M stuff or nah?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Its useable

Now can we please get the type 8 decided?

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Some people say it's useful, some others say it isn't, that's kind of the problem.

 

[Antoniofer]

The only ones supporting e-m convertion are Matt and Weekly, but its only rasoning its that was stated by few gems despite that several gems aren't obviously that strong (Peridot, early Steven, Off-Colors, corrupted gems), or good, some gems can't be that strong (it can't be used with the living island, it would yield absurdly high). And to be fair, Weekly wants to apply an oppose logic to speed of light gems.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Antonio Peridot harmed 6-C steven and poofed corrupted Jasper, Steven himself barely uses his shapeshifting and when he does it explicitly puts a tax on his body so he cant use it for long which further supports it, weve never seen any Off-Colors fight so you cannot really use them as an argument, and Corrupted Gems have consistently been a threat to the Crystal Gems.

We dont know if the living island was a Gem or just a gem construct, but given the fact that weve never seen a gem nearly that large up until the Cluster, which in and of itself was a huge deal given how big it was, the latter seems to be more accurate.

Gems currently have almost a dozen feats of either explicitly going FTL or surviving FTL-MFTL+ speeds, not sure why youre trying to use that to discredit my argument.