Creature (SPORE) vs The Player/Steve (MINECRAFT)

[Colgato]

Rules:
Spore Creature starts just after its species has left the water, with two eyes, a jaw, and two legs.
Steve starts with nothing, having spawned in 360 feet away from the creature's nest.
Both the Creature and Steve are capable of respawning, like in their games of origin, and whoever gets 3 kills on the other first wins.
The Creature evolves at the same speed it does in gameplay, and can progress further than the creature stage. For the purposes of the battle, "The Creature" will be considered the chieftan in tribal stage, the leader/commander of their civilization in civilization stage, and the captain of their spaceship in the space stage. It can be assumed that they are located in the City Hall during the Civilization Stage.

links:
The Player (Minecraft)
Creature_(Spore) / Captain_(Spore)

 

[Arkansalter2]

Links?

 

[Colgato]

Links?

The Player (Minecraft)

The Player is the protagonist of Minecraft. Known as either Steve or Alex depending on the player's choice, they are a lone miner in an endless blocky world, trying their best to survive. Tier: 9-A physically, up to 7-C with Equipment Name: Steve or Alex Origin: Minecraft Gender: Inapplicable...

vsbattles.fandom.com

and
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Creature_(Spore) / https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Captain_(Spore)

 

[Arkansalter2]

The Player (Minecraft)

The Player is the protagonist of Minecraft. Known as either Steve or Alex depending on the player's choice, they are a lone miner in an endless blocky world, trying their best to survive. Tier: 9-A physically, up to 7-C with Equipment Name: Steve or Alex Origin: Minecraft Gender: Inapplicable...

vsbattles.fandom.com

and
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Creature_(Spore) / https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Captain_(Spore)

Place them in the original post.

 

[Colgato]

Place them in the original post.

added, my apologies

 

[Arkansalter2]

Player one shots creature, captain one shots player.

 

[Colgato]

Player one shots creature, captain one shots player.

Steve needs multiple hits to take down a cow, he couldn't one-shot the creature. The creature is also capable of surviving some of an Epic Creature's attacks, and Epics are capable of destroying sky-scrapers. The battle wouldn't come down to just a One-hit KO.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Steve needs multiple hits to take down a cow, he couldn't one-shot the creature. The creature is also capable of surviving some of an Epic Creature's attacks, and Epics are capable of destroying sky-scrapers. The battle wouldn't come down to just a One-hit KO.

It seems you're new. Let me guide you through the statistics.
Player has an attack potency of Small Building level, which is far above Creature's durability of Street Level. However, Captain's attack potency is Continential, which is far above the durability of Player.

A one shot is when attack potency of one party is at least 8x higher than the durability of the other party.

This thread is the definition of a stomp thread.

You're new, I get it, but it's reccomended to look in the Versus Thread Rules to get started and to avoid potential stomp matches in the future.

 

[Colgato]

It seems you're new. Let me guide you through the statistics.
Player has an attack potency of Small Building level, which is far above Creature's durability of Street Level. However, Captain's attack potency is Continential, which is far above the durability of Player.

A one shot is when attack potency of one party is at least 8x higher than the durability of the other party.

This thread is the definition of a stomp thread.

You're new, I get it, but it's reccomended to look in the Versus Thread Rules to get started and to avoid potential stomp matches in the future.

I'd rather you just call me stupid instead of going "You're new, I get it" and being smug about it. At least be up-front instead of condescending.
Like I said, Steve takes multiple hits to kill a cow, he couldn't one-shot the Spore Creature. His ability to destroy blocks is at no-point demonstrated on living organisms. A single punch can't even destroy a block of dirt, and Steve's attack potency is dubious. The Silverfish is listed as having a "Small Building Level Durability" based on its ability to destroy stone blocks, and this is how the wiki justifies Steve's "Small Building" level attack potency. The ability to destroy stone blocks in no way translates to a small building level of durability, just a small building level of attack potency.
Please think about match-ups beyond number comparison, because it's intuitively and logically absurd to say Steve has the ability to one-shot the Spore Creature when he never demonstrates the ability to do so in-game, and he takes multiple hits to defeat a Silverfish.

 

[McFriesGuy075]

I'd rather you just call me stupid instead of going "You're new, I get it" and being smug about it. At least be up-front instead of condescending.
Like I said, Steve takes multiple hits to kill a cow, he couldn't one-shot the Spore Creature. His ability to destroy blocks is at no-point demonstrated on living organisms. A single punch can't even destroy a block of dirt, and Steve's attack potency is dubious. The Silverfish is listed as having a "Small Building Level Durability" based on its ability to destroy stone blocks, and this is how the wiki justifies Steve's "Small Building" level attack potency. The ability to destroy stone blocks in no way translates to a small building level of durability, just a small building level of attack potency.
Please think about match-ups beyond number comparison, because it's intuitively and logically absurd to say Steve has the ability to one-shot the Spore Creature when he never demonstrates the ability to do so in-game, and he takes multiple hits to defeat a Silverfish.

Minecraft Cows have Small Building level durability, there's your answer. You need to abide by what the profiles say, if you don't agree with what's in them, make a CRT. Silverfishes also have demonstrated to be able to violently fragment an entre cubic meter of stone, Steve scales to them.

 

[Colgato]

Minecraft Cows have Small Building level durability, there's your answer.

This is also calculated using the same exact silverfish feat i addressed as being flawed. The fact it outputs a small building level of damage does not make it able to take that level of damage, it is not subjecting itself to the attacks it uses on stone blocks.

The fact the silverfish can "violently fragment" a cubic meter of stone (in-game it's more likely they're burrowing into it and disrupting the structural stability of the stone) is not relevant to their durability.

 

[Arkansalter2]

The fact the silverfish can "violently fragment" a cubic meter of stone (in-game it's more likely they're burrowing into it and disrupting the structural stability of the stone) is not relevant to their durability

It's not. It's their ap. They have calculations and all.

if you don't agree with what's in them, make a CRT. Silverfishes also have demonstrated to be able to violently fragment an entre cubic meter of stone, Steve scales to them.

Follow this if you don't agree with it.

 

[Colgato]

It's not. It's their ap. They have calculations and all.

Follow this if you don't agree with it.

I made a CRT. Now proceed with the conversation, which is what a forum is for, having conversations.

 

[Arkansalter2]

he couldn't one-shot the Spore Creature

Except that he can most of the time.

Even if Creature can survive some hits of player, creature is just beyond stupid while player has an intelligence gap of a lot so I'm pretty sure that Player will find a way to kill creature because Creature's stats is overall worse than player's.

 

[McFriesGuy075]

It's not. It's their ap. They have calculations and all.

Follow this if you don't agree with it.

He's already made the CRT, should probably tag some knowledgeable people on it.

 

[Arkansalter2]

He's already made the CRT, should probably tag some knowledgeable people on it.

Like who?

 

[McFriesGuy075]

Should probably try Mr. Bambu, he's a verse supporter and a staff member.

 

[Colgato]

Except that he can most of the time.

Even if Creature can survive some hits of player, creature is just beyond stupid while player has an intelligence gap of a lot so I'm pretty sure that Player will find a way to kill creature because Creature's stats is overall worse than player's.

The Creature would have a numbers advantage, having left the water with other members of its species. If it manages to get an initial kill in on Steve, and then uses the time after when he's respawned to evolve to the tribal stage, it can close the intelligence gap. The Creature is fighting a bit of an up-hill battle, but the circumstances of the fight make it more than reasonable that The Creature could advance to a more dangerous stage.

 

[Arkansalter2]

evolve to the tribal stage

I thought creature started in their tribal key but you can't really jump keys. But I'll assume that they start in tribal key for simplicity's sake.

The Creature would have a numbers advantage,

You haven't implied that there would be multiple creatures that steve would have to fight.

it can close the intelligence gap

In the profile, Creature doesn't really have any way to improve on their statistics, including intelligence, so that can't happen.

The Creature is fighting a bit of an up-hill battle, but the circumstances of the fight make it more than reasonable that The Creature could advance to a more dangerous stage.

Creature is fighting a very dangerous, stomp-like battle. As said before, Creature's stats are overall worse than Player's so this match isn't really lookin all that well for creature.

 

[Colgato]

I thought creature started in their tribal key but you can't really jump keys. But I'll assume that they start in tribal key for simplicity's sake.


You haven't implied that there would be multiple creatures that steve would have to fight.


In the profile, Creature doesn't really have any way to improve on their statistics, including intelligence, so that can't happen.

Creature is fighting a very dangerous, stomp-like battle. As said before, Creature's stats are overall worse than Player's so this match isn't really lookin all that well for creature.

At the beginning of the thread, I said the creature can evolve at the rate it does in game, and evolve from stage to stage. This is to mirror how Steve can find resources and progress up the armor/tool tree. The premise of the thread is that while they both start at their base levels, they can both improve as the battle goes on, like they do in their games. As stated at the start of the thread, the creature starts just as their species leaves the water, meaning they would have the other members of their species as a resource. The Creature could lure Steve near it's nest and gang up on him, and then while Steve is trying to recover his resources, The Creature would move onto the tribal stage. The battle would be non-conventional, alot of it probably spent with both sides racing to get more resources.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Hmm. I'll wait for more imput.

 

[Colgato]

bump

 

[Comiphorous]

based off the very CRT the op made, even after those revisions steve would still one-shots or gets one-shot by the captain

so... even with op's slight downgrade, its still a mismatch.

 

[Colgato]

based off the very CRT the op made, even after those revisions steve would still one-shots or gets one-shot by the captain

so... even with op's slight downgrade, its still a mismatch.

Which do you think gets to three kills on the other first?

 

[Comiphorous]

Which do you think gets to three kills on the other first?

Disregarding the fact "first to three kills" isn't gonna make this a valid match, it would be the captain. since steve can't harm them.

Steve can however kill the creature, and they can't respawn. when you respawn in spore in the creature stage you're playing as the child of your previously now dead character.

So, steve one punches the creature, the creature has to wait at the very least months to even respawn/evolve/do anything besides get punched in the gullet and die

and the captain probably destroys vaguely where steve is and he dies.

So.... mismatch.

 

[Colgato]

Disregarding the fact "first to three kills" isn't gonna make this a valid match, it would be the captain. since steve can't harm them.

Steve can however kill the creature, and they can't respawn. when you respawn in spore in the creature stage you're playing as the child of your previously now dead character.

So, steve one punches the creature, the creature has to wait at the very least months to even respawn/evolve/do anything besides get punched in the gullet and die

and the captain probably destroys vaguely where steve is and he dies.

So.... mismatch.

I assumed this was implied by the way I phrased the original post, but "Evolves at the rate it does in game" means it wouldn't need to wait months to evolve, it'd take as much time as it does in game, which is minutes. Also, for the purposes of the fight, playing as your child would be respawning. The terminology is off but it's clear what I meant by respawning. It's still the creature which the player plays as.
Steve with his bare hands also takes alot of time to kill anything, and the creature has a numbers advantage due to having a nest. Steve could counter this by taming mobs, but that takes time.
Late-game Steve also has hax to combat the Creature once it reaches space-stage, such as going into the nether, which would require the creature to leave its ship so it could follow him, otherwise it couldn't fit into the portal.

 

[Comiphorous]

I assumed this was implied by the way I phrased the original post, but "Evolves at the rate it does in game" means it wouldn't need to wait months to evolve, it'd take as much time as it does in game, which is minutes. Also, for the purposes of the fight, playing as your child would be respawning. The terminology is off but it's clear what I meant by respawning. It's still the creature which the player plays as.

in-game time frame is not minutes. you literally play as another animal from the same species when you do. It takes months, hell it probably would take years for any of that shit to happen.

And using the time you the player experiences just doesn't make any sense for any standpoint in this debate.

Steve with his bare hands also takes alot of time to kill anything, and the creature has a numbers advantage due to having a nest. Steve could counter this by taming mobs, but that takes time.

He takes a long time to kill things when they can take his punches.

Too bad for them steve one-shots, so that isn't a point.

Late-game Steve also has hax to combat the Creature once it reaches space-stage, such as going into the nether, which would require the creature to leave its ship so it could follow him, otherwise it couldn't fit into the portal.

Or, alternatively, it could destroy the portal and BFR steve if he did that. (A bfr steve could return from theoretically, either by killing himself or using ghasts to reignite the portal on his end)

 

[Colgato]

in-game time frame is not minutes. you literally play as another animal from the same species when you do. It takes months, hell it probably would take years for any of that shit to happen.

And using the time you the player experiences just doesn't make any sense for any standpoint in this debate.

He takes a long time to kill things when they can take his punches.

Too bad for them steve one-shots, so that isn't a point.

Or, alternatively, it could destroy the portal and BFR steve if he did that. (A bfr steve could return from theoretically, either by killing himself or using ghasts to reignite the portal on his end)

using the time the player experiences is practically the only way to have ANY sort of debate with the creature work, because otherwise it's moving an inch every few years. Taking things at gameplay scale and speed makes practical sense and is obviously, from a linguistic standpoint, what I meant when setting the conditions of this match. You're taking issue with things I've already accounted for. Using the time the player experiences makes sense in this debate because it is part of the conditions outlined at the start of the debate.
I've already outlined my issues with his supposed attack potency via the silver-fish thing, his attack potency is entirely based on how much damage he can do to silverfish, based on the idea silverfish are as durable as the stone they destroy, which is just something someone supposed rather than something we see in game. If Steve HAD a small building level of attack potency, it wouldn't take him as long as it does to fracture a block of stone with his bare hands. It wouldn't take him as long as it does to kill a cow with his bare hands. The feat of taking multiple hits to kill a supposedly bomb-tanking silverfish (somehow, over time, this was reimagined as steve killing the silverfish with a single-punch) should be the most obvious outlier in the world and is unreliable as hell. In no way does that make him as strong as is supposed, hence why I requested a silverfish rework, because all the stats connected to the silverfish make no sense. Not just over-exaggerated calculations, their logic is flawed inherently and we never see steve's supposed attack potency demonstrated ANYWHERE but on these building level silverfish or things that are only building level based on the circular logic of them being able to resist attacks from something that killed a silverfish. Minecraft scaling is silverfish all the way down and I wished I had realized that before making this thread so it could be fixed, but in the meantime, I will not take anything derived from the silverfish logic seriously, if the root of an argument is that steve killing a silverfish with multiple punches makes him capable of destroying a small building with a single punch, I will discard it, because that is an argument that is intuitively and demonstrably untrue in-game and in-canon.

 

[Comiphorous]

using the time the player experiences is practically the only way to have ANY sort of debate with the creature work, because otherwise it's moving an inch every few years. Taking things at gameplay scale and speed makes practical sense and is obviously, from a linguistic standpoint, what I meant when setting the conditions of this match. You're taking issue with things I've already accounted for.

Then it’s not a valid match. Moving on.

I've already outlined my issues with his supposed attack potency via the silver-fish thing, his attack potency is entirely based on how much damage he can do to silverfish, based on the idea silverfish are as durable as the stone they destroy, which is just something someone supposed rather than something we see in game. If Steve HAD a small building level of attack potency, it wouldn't take him as long as it does to fracture a block of stone with his bare hands. It wouldn't take him as long as it does to kill a cow with his bare hands. The feat of taking multiple hits to kill a supposedly bomb-tanking silverfish (somehow, over time, this was reimagined as steve killing the silverfish with a single-punch) should be the most obvious outlier in the world and is unreliable as hell. In no way does that make him as strong as is supposed, hence why I requested a silverfish rework, because all the stats connected to the silverfish make no sense. Not just over-exaggerated calculations, their logic is flawed inherently and we never see steve's supposed attack potency demonstrated ANYWHERE but on these building level silverfish or things that are only building level based on the circular logic of them being able to resist attacks from something that killed a silverfish. Minecraft scaling is silverfish all the way down and I wished I had realized that before making this thread so it could be fixed, but in the meantime, I will not take anything derived from the silverfish logic seriously, if the root of an argument is that steve killing a silverfish with multiple punches makes him capable of destroying a small building with a single punch, I will discard it, because that is an argument that is intuitively and demonstrably untrue in-game and in-canon.

This is a bunch of shit I don’t care about because it’s not on the profile. The mods in the very CRT you posted said the silverfish and Steve would stay small building level due to his other feats, so he’ll still one-shot after the very CRT you posted.

 

[Colgato]

Then it’s not a valid match. Moving on.

This is a bunch of shit I don’t care about because it’s not on the profile. The mods in the very CRT you posted said the silverfish and Steve would stay small building level due to his other feats, so he’ll still one-shot after the very CRT you posted.

Just went through the entire CRT. Don't see them saying he stays small building level due to his other feats, especially not base-steve.
Also, I know this isn't a valid match, respawning OBVIOUSLY makes it invalid for showing up on either's page. I just think the way these two would fight each other is interesting. And IN GAME you evolve in minutes, so in a fight, it would be the same.

 

[Comiphorous]

Just went through the entire CRT. Don't see them saying he stays small building level due to his other feats, especially not base-steve.

Deadass;

Actually, this is a reasonable take. The silverfish does burrow in first and then ruptures out. It can do this fairly quickly, so it is still a feat and probably still lands in 9-A, but a calc made with reasonable assumptions could be made to more appropriately deal with the feat.

Base Steve will still be 9-A, and will still one-shot the shit outta the creature, and the captain is still very much too powerful to be harmed by Steve. It’s a mismatch no matter how you play it.

 

[EnderLord8]

In fact, if the stats (AP/Speed) were equalized it would be much fairer, although it would not be valid.

 

[Colgato]

Deadass;



Base Steve will still be 9-A, and will still one-shot the shit outta the creature, and the captain is still very much too powerful to be harmed by Steve. It’s a mismatch no matter how you play it.

You said Steve remains small building level due to his other feats, not Silverfish's feats, which I still think are invalid (Shooting a gun doesn't mean I can survive being shot. The silverfish is not as durable as a small building. If you shot a gun, the gun would break.) Using ANYTHING derived from that damn bug is stupid and you know it. It's an outlier at best and a willful exaggeration of game-mechanics at worst.

 

[Arkansalter2]

My man. My brother in christ. Silverfish and Steve can break a cubic meter of stone. It doesn't even have to be infested cobblestone. It can be regular cobblestone and he can still break / fragment it. Lets be so deadass for just a second man.

 

[Colgato]

My man. My brother in christ. Silverfish and Steve can break a cubic meter of stone. It doesn't even have to be infested cobblestone. It can be regular cobblestone and he can still break / fragment it. Lets be so deadass for just a second man.

Cobblestone is already cracked and unstable. It takes multiple hits for steve to break anything, and even then it's not really broken, it's just shrunk down. It still exists and can be re-placed elsewhere. You can't call his attack potency small building level when it takes multiple hits for him to break the stone. Show me steve actually destroying a small building in-game with his bare hands in a single attack. I'm not gonna believe he one-shots anything when he doesn't show that capability in game. Maybe 5 shots, sure, but one shot? I don't buy it.

 

[Colgato]

Wait. Also. You can fight creatures AS A CAPTAIN in galactic adventures, and they can take hits from the captain. Spore creatures are capable of taking continent level attacks from the captain. they can 100% take hits from steve in that case.

 

[EnderLord8]

Cobblestone is already cracked and unstable. It takes multiple hits for steve to break anything, and even then it's not really broken, it's just shrunk down. It still exists and can be re-placed elsewhere. You can't call his attack potency small building level when it takes multiple hits for him to break the stone. Show me steve actually destroying a small building in-game with his bare hands in a single attack. I'm not gonna believe he one-shots anything when he doesn't show that capability in game. Maybe 5 shots, sure, but one shot? I don't buy it.

Oh my gosh, there is literally a mining method that involves using Silverfish to break stones.

Also what's the point of this match? This is a 6-A and 9-C vs 9-A, it's a one-shot either way.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Also what's the point of this match? This is a 6-A and 9-C vs 9-A, it's a one-shot either way.

I have legitimately no clue. This needs to be closed.

 

[Colgato]

the point is that it's a fun thematic match-up between two sandbox game characters whose abilities change as they progress anyways I'm gonna probably CRT the creature tomorrow because of the galactic adventures stuff close this thread or whatever i don't think you guys want to engage with the premise of the fight and I feel like the silverfish circular wanklogic is too densely ingrained at this point to be fixed.

 

[Nierre]

I will be closing this then.