Yeah when he got amped with all of the forces not just one which is why he could one shot ive said it now that flash can damage 1 force if using full power not all of them espacialy not when reverse flash got amped by 4 forces.
I'm just not going to bother addressing this anymore.
It should make sense as he and iris created the forces
That's heavily out of context.
The Speed Force (and all the other forces) can't die while universes still exist, as it's an elemental, cosmological constant. Iris had a tiny spark of Speed Force remaining from her brief time as a Speedster, whereas Barry and all the others exhausted their abilities.
- No, but the Speed Force is an elemental part of the universe, so theoretically…
- Theoretically it could have never disappeared. And you think it’s still in Iris. - 7x03
This allowed them to put the natural Speed Force energies into the artificial Speed Force machine and restore its presence across creation, since it was never truly gone to begin with.
However, the lightning rod they used to gather the energies was full of elementary particles, creating new Forces in the process.
- Elemental Force Particles?
- They’re the particles that created the new forces.
- The lightning bolt that rebirthed the Speed Force was full of them.
- Now if we can extract a sample of these force particles from the lightning, then we can send out an electromagnetic pulse that’ll seek out those same particles, wherever they may be along the temporal spectrum. - 7x03
This is not a feat, and certainly not scalable to any Speedster, especially considering that they weren't even Speedsters at the time.
using its own dimension as a tool to battle them
What are you
referring to?
I never said she is far superior here. I said this is a weakened state (as Arrow has repeatedly proven), and yet they're still no match for her individually.
She was also later in the clip blasted out of the speed force by flash
She gave up on the fight willingly and left the Speed Force herself because of the storm. There's not even evidence of injury.
This site says she is omnipresent
It says the Speed Force across the multiverse, as elemental energies, is omnipresent.
Also, if she was omnipresent, why would she need to take a finite amount of time to appear in the Speed Force and need to teleport in?
barry who can also be at multiple places at once in short periods of time
Barry factually can't be in two places at once without timeline remnants, which he himself confirms in
Enemy At the Gates. He's moving at a very high (but finite, as we see with Godspeed) velocity, which gives the illusion of being in multiple places simultaneously, similar to a speed mirage.
The only argument that was made was that there was other forces which there were not as the forces seen are the same forces that created the storm.
No. I said The Forces on an elemental scale, above the avatars alone, were unravelling. They literally say (and show, because the avatars are mostly unaffected) this in the episode.
the show never depicts that there is two sides of the forces and they always says that the manifestation is the true speed force.
Yes it does. Literally the entire point of early Season 7 was that almost no Speed Force existed as a presence (including avatars and manifestations), yet it still had an elemental existence in the universe that allowed it to be revived.
Avatars and manifestations are an inkling of The Forces in
one universe. The actual forces are outside space-time and attack on that scale.
- NORA: Yeah, the negative forces... They're attacking me right now on the cosmic plane. [...]
- NORA: Because his connection to me-- it's been disrupted ever since he's vanished. I can't find him anywhere in time or space. - 9x11
Why do you think the Avatars are able to die and such with no actual consequences?
Yes flash runned around the planet to erase the timeline created by reverse flash via causing the armageddon which means if he would create a new armageddon he could destroy earth and since universe are descibed as earth in arrowverse
The show uses the term Earth once, and it's in reference to a global catastrophe which affects the planet's mantle.
- CHESTER: Yes, but the Earth isn't just a solid rock. It has a molten core. The kind of pressure I'd be exerting on its mantle would cause cataclysmic damage. We're talking volcanoes erupting, ice caps melting, earthquakes, tsunami. It'd be Armageddon.
it shows that it would affect the entire universe aswell the same it did with the timeline
Watch the episode again. It explicitly refers to the world.
- BARRY: He wanted to stop me from restoring the timeline. The speed wake created by us both, that is what caused the destruction you saw.
- DESPERO: If that's happened, what stopped you from tearing this world apart?
