DCEU Flash Environmental Destruction

[Ozcantabak]

Currently dceu Flash has 2-C Environmental Destruction via Time Travel, with the reasoning being him causing alternate realities to collide and collapse as a result of using time travel. However this is wrong.
Flash time travelling did not result in alternate realities to collide, this did. Here, Dark Flash uses his lightning to litterally damage the universe and pull other universes to eachother, with dc cinematic multiverse describing this feat as fractureing the fabric of reality, this isn't a Environmental Destruction feat, its a feat characters physically scales to as Barry was in the epicentre of the blast. Even Flashpoint Barry is able to damage the universe ith his lightnig. And Flashes (and by extention the rest of the verse) straight up scaling to 2-C would obviously be outliers.
So i think we should remove all these justifications and just scale DCEU Speedsters Environmental Destruction to CW Speedsters'.

 

[ByArrow]

I agree

To clarify, right now the CW Speedsters are scale to DCEU Speedster and the feat discussed in this thread, which gave them a 2-C rating. This means that this thread also downgrades the CW Speedsters’ 2-C rating. However, as accepted in the thread where the CW Speedsters received their 2-C rating, they have their own Low 2-C feats. Therefore, with this thread, all the Speedsters will be downgraded to Low 2-C with ED.

 

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[AyOgUyS]

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[Apex_Predator_GX]

You can ask some staff members to check it.

 

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[Hecky2222]

Honestly never get why DCEU Flash is 2C. Agree with ur points

 

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[Qawsedf234]

Currently dceu Flash has 2-C Environmental Destruction via Time Travel, with the reasoning being him causing alternate realities to collide and collapse as a result of using time travel. However this is wrong.
Flash time travelling did not result in alternate realities to collide, this did. Here, Dark Flash uses his lightning to litterally damage the universe and pull other universes to eachother, with dc cinematic multiverse describing this feat as fractureing the fabric of reality, this isn't a Environmental Destruction feat, its a feat characters physically scales to as Barry was in the epicentre of the blast.

So the explination given by Batman is the following:

Bruce Wayne (Keaton): At some point, you probably saw a movie that told you that if you went back and changed the past, you'd create a kind of a branched timeline, right? Here, look.

[Bruce takes two spaghetti noodles and lays them next to each other, splitting them apart.]

Bruce Wayne (Keaton): New present and new future.

Barry 2: Yeah.

Bruce Wayne (Keaton): Well, time doesn't work like that. That's not how time works. When you go back and change the past, you create a fulcrum. You put yourself on a whole 'nother strand of spaghetti. New future. New past. It's retro-causal; echoes goes both ways. Actually, echoes many ways. Maybe some other time...

Barry 1: Okay, but an ontological paradox model, there's not a--

[Bruce shoves the spoon in Barry's mouth.]

Bruce Wayne (Keaton): What you did was, you changed the future and you changed the past. If a person is stupid enough to mess with time, what you eventually end up with is... the multiverse. Some strands runs almost parallel -- there will be inevitable intersections -- and others that are just... wildly divergent. What it is... is a hot mess. It's a crapshoot. It's all just a crapshoot.

How I read Batman's statement along with the Dark Flash feat, is that them constantly time-traveling makes alternate timelines that instead of being parallel, start to intersect with each other. Causing the breakdown as shown in that scene. While it may appear that Black Flash was responsible for everything, my view is that the intention is that the constant time traveling eventually allowed those universes to intersect with the DCEU, which is why they collided.

 

[Ozcantabak]

How I read Batman's statement along with the Dark Flash feat, is that them constantly time-traveling makes alternate timelines that instead of being parallel, start to intersect with each other. Causing the breakdown as shown in that scene. While it may appear that Black Flash was responsible for everything, my view is that the intention is that the constant time traveling eventually allowed those universes to intersect with the DCEU, which is why they collided.

Yeah them time travelling actually does damage the universe, we even see this here. However him constantly time travelling shouldn't effect other universes/chronobowls if it did surely they would have started to get damaged like DCEU's chronobowl did. Yes, he isn't responsible for everything but he is most certinaly respoonsible of pulling the other universes to each other, and causing them to collide.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Yes, he isn't responsible for everything but he is most certinaly respoonsible of pulling the other universes to each other, and causing them to collide.

That's what Batman was talking about. Them time travelling so much allows the universes to intersect, which is why the Chronobowel collided. His actions lead to that happening, but he didn't pull the universes directly either in my view.

 

[Ozcantabak]

That's what Batman was talking about. Them time travelling so much allows the universes to intersect, which is why the Chronobowel collided. His actions lead to that happening, but he didn't pull the universes directly either in my view.

I think Batman is talking about the timelines in the dceu universe, not litterally other universes. If that were the case it would make it so that Barry and Young Barry created the other universes which wouldn't make sense cause the other universes doesn't disappear when Dark Flash/Young Barry dies.

Flash says "we have to stop, we are destroying the fabric of everything", we have to put this into context. What Barry wants at this moment is to erase the timeline by letting his mother die which would thus erase both young Flash and Dark Flash, and thus make it so Dark Flash's blast never happened and when Young Barry died by letting Dark Flash impale him, both disappeared, and the multiverse went back to normal because Dark Flash chronologically never lashed out the blast. At the same time, it also fixes the damages made to the main chronobowl because the main chronobowl was already shattering before Dark Flash came in it started cracking because of time travel but the other chronobowls were untouched atp. They only started colliding, collapsing and tearing apart when Dark Flash blasted them, if he wasn't responsible for this i don't think they would have made it look like a purple lightning was pulling them.

 

[Chariot190]

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[Cropfist]

the Chronobowel

An accurate descriptor for the poorly written time travel mechanics.

 

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