Danganronpa Calc dump revisions

[Thebadtimetrio32]

Recently, I had made calcs for the Danganronpa verse that were all evaulated and approved by members of the calc team. These calcs include the following:

Space lift off evaporates Jin's body: 0.068 Tons of TNT
Nagisa takes a massive explosion: 0.0925 Tons of TNT
Monokuma drops a nuke on Teruteru: 0.24 Tons of TNT
Big Bang Monokuma famous feat redo: 260.17 Kilotons of TNT
Guard Monokuma deflects EM waves redo: 11%c

How do these calcs affect the verse? Well...

The Nagisa and Teruteru calcs would actually upgrade the verse. The Nagisa calc not only makes 9-A consistent for Danganronpa humans (Nagisa already had a 9-A rating, so it's fine), but is already an upgrade as our highest calc for Danganronpa so far in terms of 9-A was Komaru and Toko taking that one explosion in the anime, meaning that the Nagisa explosion by itself is around a 3x upgrade. The Teruteru calc also not only makes 9-A more consistent, but would buff the verse to 9-A+, and unironically I would make the argument that characters such as Aoi, Leon, Fuyuhiko and any other character who has blatant upscaling above Makoto/Teruteru tiers should be baseline 8-C, it's only a 1.04x difference.

The first calc I had to think about, as only Junko has shown feats of tanking this but she also has High 7-C durability (That'll be upgraded as well), but then I remembered that in Danganronpa V3, Kaito goes through this same execution. Yes, we have a note that says "Do not scale characters in Danganronpa V3 from characters in main storyline of Danganronpa. Danganronpa V3 is separated from the main storyline due to the story of V3 exist outside the fictional story of the main and the main storyline was considered a fictional series in V3 world", but I think this is a different case in that the original execution was used as inspiration for this one, with the one that Kaito endures being higher in scale than the original, implying that this is just supposed to be a more exaggerated one than the one previously, and thus the feat should still apply.

"Why would Kaito scale if he died in it" you may ask? Well, there's context to how and why he even died in the first place. Kaito throughout the game was suffering through an illness that was making him more sick as the game went on, to the point where characters like Kokichi directly noted that Kaito was getting slower and was able to keep up with him in combat. He had died to that illness, with the execution "failing" and the cast making fun of Monokuma to the fact that Kaito hadn't died to the execution despite having done most of it already. Additionally, you see Kaito's body after the execution, and his body wasn't turned to just bone like Jin's so his body was able to endure the execution and thus why Kaito himself should scale to this feat.

What would this mean for V3? Well Kaito tiers and higher have an "At least" rating for blatantly upscaling K1-B0 tanking getting thrown into a water tank enough to break the glass, but at least we have a closer idea to what tier the characters exactly are, with this calc giving Kaito tiers 3x the strength above the normal Danganronpa human. However, it would come into question that another character would share the At least rating, and that would be Kokichi Oma. While yes, Kokichi himself doesn't scale to Kaito's peak performance, we know this from the beginning of Chapter 4, this feat would still apply to a weakened Kaito, as his body still endured the feat despite him being so weakened by the end of the game and Kokichi has overpowered him in not only the end of Chapter 4, but also in Chapter 5 when they both had been inflicted with poison, but Kokichi had his longer (Kaito also had his illness, so they were probably still at equal footing).

So, TL;DR?

• Every Hopes Peak arc human gets upgraded to 9-A+ via Teruteru's explosion calc
• Characters such as Aoi, Leon, Fuyuhiko and any other character that we have reason to believe blatantly upscales the 9-A+ rating would be given baseline 8-C for being a 1.04x gap
• High tiers such as Genocider Syo and Mukuro, including god tiers such as Sakura, Monokuma and Izuru Kamakura would be around 2x higher than they originally were into High 7-C
• Every V3 character that was given an "At least" rating would be upgraded 3x their original value, but would keep "At least" as this was a heavily weakened Kaito
• Kokichi himself should be given At least and scale to the Kaito feat as well
• Didn't discuss it, but you would have to remove the original Guard Monokuma speed calc via issues that Sparkive and I mentioned, and replace it with the one I gave.

 

[Theglassman12]

Do not scale characters in Danganronpa V3 from characters in main storyline of Danganronpa. Danganronpa V3 is separated from the main storyline due to the story of V3 exist outside the fictional story of the main and the main storyline was considered a fictional series in V3 world

I feel like this note needs to be removed given the implications of that twist being just a flat out lie by Tsumugi. Other than that the recalcs looks fine.

 

[Thebadtimetrio32]

I feel like this note needs to be removed given the implications of that twist being just a flat out lie by Tsumugi. Other than that the recalcs looks fine.

Maybe, I heard that the wiki believes that Tsumugi did tell the truth about that at least, and I probably do agree with the stance, what I don’t agree is throwing out things that are blatantly taken from the main games but made better, I think you can cross scale in these cases.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I feel like this note needs to be removed given the implications of that twist being just a flat out lie by Tsumugi. Other than that the recalcs looks fine.

Absolutely not because not only that's subjectivity from your part but it's not even confirmed they're in the same universe.

Better to leave V3 to not scale to mainline for the time being.

 

[Theglassman12]

@StrymULTRA It’s not subjective when Tsumugi literally said in the finale that she created the greatest lie ever, and Shuichi suspects that everything she said about the past characters being fake is also a lie on her end. Which makes sense when one of the main themes in V3 is about what’s even considered a lie or a truth.

 

[StrymULTRA]

@StrymULTRA It’s not subjective when Tsumugi literally said in the finale that she created the greatest lie ever, and Shuichi suspects that everything she said about the past characters being fake is also a lie on her end. Which makes sense when one of the main themes in V3 is about what’s even considered a lie or a truth.

This isn't even the place to argue this, as you'd have to argue how V3 characters scale to Mainline ones.

Plus you're technically derailing a thread about just some recalcs with some cross-scale between continuities thing despite being a thread mod, you should know better than this lmfao.

 

[Thebadtimetrio32]

@StrymULTRA It’s not subjective when Tsumugi literally said in the finale that she created the greatest lie ever, and Shuichi suspects that everything she said about the past characters being fake is also a lie on her end. Which makes sense when one of the main themes in V3 is about what’s even considered a lie or a truth.

Are we warping this revision on if V3 scales to mainline or not? I will say that this would upgrade the average V3 character to 9-A+ and the at least characters to baseline 8-C. However I do want to bring up that, wouldn’t the lie be that Danganronpa originally wasn’t considered fictional, but then the twist was made that it indeed is?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Are we warping this revision on if V3 scales to mainline or not? I will say that this would upgrade the average V3 character to 9-A+ and the at least characters to baseline 8-C. However I do want to bring up that, wouldn’t the lie be that Danganronpa originally wasn’t considered fictional, but then the twist was made that it indeed is?

TBF I am not wanting to make this a CRT regarding if V3 scales to Mainline, that'd require a whole other CRT given how controversial it is.

 

[Thebadtimetrio32]

Plus you're technically derailing a thread about just some recalcs with some cross-scale between continuities thing despite being a thread mod, you should know better than this lmfao.

Speaking of cross scaling, what do you think about the execution thing? I would like your thoughts on that specifically.

 

[Thebadtimetrio32]

TBF I am not wanting to make this a CRT regarding if V3 scales to Mainline, that'd require a whole other CRT given how controversial it is.

True LMAO I just thought the Kaito thing would be fair enough and wouldn’t require a verse wide change on how continunity works.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I do not agree with the Kaito thing anyway given that he died before the crux of the execution happened (it even says that it failed), and we don't know if he'd have survived it otherwise.

Plus the Jin thing was mostly likely just an aestetic choice as there's no realistic way to reduce a body in bones from just crashing in a vehicle, so the Jin thing must've had something else.

 

[Thebadtimetrio32]

I do not agree with the Kaito thing anyway given that he died before the crux of the execution happened (it even says that it failed), and we don't know if he'd have survived it otherwise.

The argument is moreso that we hadn’t seen Kaito die at the beginning, and then at the end his body was fully intact and didn’t have any direct damages to it outside of the damages the illness did, implying the body itself endured whatever the execution was meant to do.

Plus the Jin thing was mostly likely just an aestetic choice as there's no realistic way to reduce a body in bones from just crashing in a vehicle, so the Jin thing must've had something else.

Considering how fast the rocket was moving (I know V3’s was once calced to MHS+ which gave city level KE results but like, no lmao???) and how fast it dropped, it could’ve been similar to Mondo’s execution where the rocket moved so fast that Jin’s body melted and was left as nothing but a skeleton.

 

[StrymULTRA]

The argument is moreso that we hadn’t seen Kaito die at the beginning, and then at the end his body was fully intact and didn’t have any direct damages to it outside of the damages the illness did, implying the body itself endured whatever the execution was meant to do.

Durability is meant to be damage one takes without being greatly injured. You cannot get as durability something that kills you but does not destroy your body lol.

There's just no proof that Kaito would've survived without the illness, that's just not how it works.

Considering how fast the rocket was moving (I know V3’s was once calced to MHS+ which gave city level KE results but like, no lmao???) and how fast it dropped, it could’ve been similar to Mondo’s execution where the rocket moved so fast that Jin’s body melted and was left as nothing but a skeleton.

"could've".

Dude, don't play with assumptions. Shit just isn't solid, it does not make sense for just the bones remaining, it's physically impossible. It could've been just an artistic inconsistency too.

Plus the convo is useless as V3 does not scale to mainline anyway, so...

 

[Thebadtimetrio32]

Durability is meant to be damage one takes without being greatly injured. You cannot get as durability something that kills you but does not destroy your body lol.

There's just no proof that Kaito would've survived without the illness, that's just not how it works.

Normally when you take damage or die that damage is reflected on your body, whether you get stabbed, punched to death (blood comes out) or take blunt force, whenever your body tanks something normally you’re also tanking that damage. I will say that we have no proof that none of his bones broke, I suppose so I can probably give you that

“Could’ve”
Dude, don't play with assumptions. Shit just isn't solid, it does not make sense for just the bones remaining, it's physically impossible. It could've been just an artistic inconsistency too.

I seen you playing around with “most likely” and even “could’ve” as well, but I could be more assertive with my claims if you want. Yes, I am saying it moves so fast that Jin’s body couldn’t have withstanded the execution and had his body completely evaporated, Danganronpa is also known to have weird physics as well, this is a case right here. I don’t believe the bones necessarily have to melt off alongside the rest of the body, I don’t think it has to be anything deep that we have to deny the entire feat due to it probably “not making any sense”

Plus the convo is useless as V3 does not scale to mainline anyway, so...

Didn’t you say something like this to Agnna when he revised MHS+ Undertale As you already know my point isn’t to completely revise cross scaling from mainline to V3, it’s moreso that I believe that the space execution from the first game can be cross scaled to V3 with V3’s being more intense, it’s just a simple exception that’s all.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Normally when you take damage or die that damage is reflected on your body, whether you get stabbed, punched to death (blood comes out) or take blunt force, whenever your body tanks something normally you’re also tanking that damage. I will say that we have no proof that none of his bones broke, I suppose so I can probably give you that

There is also no proof that he'd have survived it regardless, so there's that.

Yes, I am saying it moves so fast that Jin’s body couldn’t have withstanded the execution and had his body completely evaporated, Danganronpa is also known to have weird physics as well, this is a case right here. I don’t believe the bones necessarily have to melt off alongside the rest of the body, I don’t think it has to be anything deep that we have to deny the entire feat due to it probably “not making any sense”

I could've argued that the rocket would've absorbed damage of the impact, making the feat unquantifiable anyways.

Also, why wouldn't the bones melt alongside the rest of the body? It's not like the baseline Danganronpa human is Wolverine.

Plus by conceding that DR has "weird physics", you essentially said that the feat does not follow our ways, so it cannot be truly quantified.

Didn’t you say something like this to Agnna when he revised MHS+ Undertale

What

As you already know my point isn’t to completely revise cross scaling from mainline to V3, it’s moreso that I believe that the space execution from the first game can be cross scaled to V3 with V3’s being more intense, it’s just a simple exception that’s all.

This is something entirely subjective that cannot be proved. An inspiration is that, not a copy. If you admit that it cannot be cross-scaled, you already concede of the lack of proof of the launch being as strong as the mainline one besides vibes.

 

[Thebadtimetrio32]

There is also no proof that he'd have survived it regardless, so there's that.

This might be true, but the point is moreso that Kaito’s body would be enduring whatever force was in the original calc, however V3’s seems to be digging into the crust of the earth and Kaito doesn’t have that same effect which was calculated (Similar to Junko, who we know survived it rather easily), so it would be more believable that he would’ve survived it or at least tanked the calc’s force had the execution gone on after his illness.

I could've argued that the rocked would've absorbed damage of the impact, making the feat unquantifiable anyways.

You could, but that’s why the calculation exist in the first place. Like I mentioned, there was a City level calc for the V3 rocket that had used MHS+ speeds and calculated it to a certain mass, but outside of the obvious fact that it’s hilariously inconsistent with our 9-A characters, the rocket most definitely absorbed most of the impact, however my calculation is calculating how much force was applied onto Jin himself to cause the effect that it did, which was 0.067 Tons. Anyone else who would be in this execution, aka Junko and Kaito, would be hit with similar amounts of force if not greater or less depending on body mass or whatever.

Also, why wouldn't the bones melt alongside the rest of the body? It's not like the baseline Danganronpa human is Wolverine.

Plus by conceding that DR has "weird physics", you essentially said that the feat does not follow our ways, so it cannot be truly quantified.

“Lol weird physics”, but that’s where I have to address the second paragraph quoted. I don’t think that the amount of force required to straight up evaporate a human’s body would be different unless you had true reason to believe so, moreso to destroy the bones in a similar fashion. This is an assumption on my part, but I assume that it’s believed that the case of death (or the case of the feat) would be the rocket moving so fast that the body melted now yea? This means that the force applied onto Jin from this method was enough to evaporate his body, aka calculated, but not enough to evaporate his bones, which for some reason is different. That would be the only difference and it wouldn’t affect the calc itself.

What

LOL this might be an insane rage bait but I remember when Agnna created the thread to downgrade UT’s speed, your very first message was “Remove the thread, we already have a rule about this”. It seems like something similar was happening there where you were saying our conversation on Kaito scaling was irrelevant because we already have a rule in place.

This is something entirely subjective that cannot be proved. An inspiration is that, not a copy. If you admit that it cannot be cross-scaled, you already concede of the lack of proof of the launch being as strong as the mainline one besides vibes.

Might’ve misworded the use inspiration as Tsumugi herself used the word “copy” to describe the entirety of the V3 world. You already know I agree with Danganronpa being fictional within its own series as we’ve talked about it before, but don’t forget that V3 is also made fiction by Team Danganronpa, same people who made the fiction of the original Danganronpa in the first place so we have reason to believe that if there are any similarities, and also reasons to believe that a feat is BETTER than the previous one because of more intense visuals, then they should be exceptions imo.

 

[StrymULTRA]

This might be true, but the point is moreso that Kaito’s body would be enduring whatever force was in the original calc, however V3’s seems to be digging into the crust of the earth and Kaito doesn’t have that same effect which was calculated (Similar to Junko, who we know survived it rather easily), so it would be more believable that he would’ve survived it or at least tanked the calc’s force had the execution gone on after his illness.

"might", "would", "seems", but never "is".

Again, don't throw 300 assumptions per second? We just don't scale people to stuff that kills them, otherwise we are 9-B by not always dying to car accidents.

“Lol weird physics”, but that’s where I have to address the second paragraph quoted. I don’t think that the amount of force required to straight up evaporate a human’s body would be different unless you had true reason to believe so, moreso to destroy the bones in a similar fashion. This is an assumption on my part, but I assume that it’s believed that the case of death (or the case of the feat) would be the rocket moving so fast that the body melted now yea? This means that the force applied onto Jin from this method was enough to evaporate his body, aka calculated, but not enough to evaporate his bones, which for some reason is different. That would be the only difference and it wouldn’t affect the calc itself.

You're basically arguing that the bones of the baseline DR human is Tier 7 while their flesh is Tier 9 though. Do I have to explain why is that dumb?

Plus there's nothing even hinting that the "body melted" happened because of speed, either.

LOL this might be an insane rage bait but I remember when Agnna created the thread to downgrade UT’s speed, your very first message was “Remove the thread, we already have a rule about this”. It seems like something similar was happening there where you were saying our conversation on Kaito scaling was irrelevant because we already have a rule in place.

Hey, man.

Do you know that openly provoking beef and similar shit is indeed reportable, right?

Besides the thing is different as there you'd not only have to circumvent a rule, but also change continuity rules and revise a whole scaling here. Don't think it's really the same, eh?

and also reasons to believe that a feat is BETTER than the previous one because of more intense visuals, then they should be exceptions imo.

Again, assumptions based on nothing but vibes. I could've also argued that the "more intense" could also be them depowering the thing just to make it look cooler as it'd have killed the victim regardless.

 

[Theglassman12]

@StrymULTRA It’s not that big of a derailment when the comment on them not being canon is in the OP. Plus it’s like 2 posts at best but sure if you want to discuss the calcs I’ll drop the topic.

 

[StrymULTRA]

@StrymULTRA It’s not that big of a derailment when the comment on them not being canon is in the OP. Plus it’s like 2 posts at best but sure if you want to discuss the calcs I’ll drop the topic.

I did notice that ye.

OP however is arguing that the cross-scale should still happen regardless for other reasons besides the "still being in the same universe" thing (specifically Kaito supposedly being able to survive an execution which is supposedly the same in power as one in THH because vibes lmao), and removing the note would obviously involve discussions on whether the baseline V3 humans like Shuichi would scale to mainline ones like Makoto, and I do not think it's the place for that.

 

[Thebadtimetrio32]

"might", "would", "seems", but never "is".

Again, don't throw 300 assumptions per second? We just don't scale people to stuff that kills them, otherwise we are 9-B by not always dying to car accidents.

“might” referring to idk if YOUR own claim is true or not, “would” being what I am further explaining what is happening based on how the execution works, “seems” ngl might also be a misword on me because I said “seems” in regards to something that we visually see happening, I don’t see any assumption I made here. I’m not scaling Kaito to things that killed them, my argument is that it wouldn’t based on things I’ve mentioned. If you can convince me that without a doubt it would kill, I would drop the entire argument, but I don’t see that.

You're basically arguing that the bones of the baseline DR human is Tier 7 while their flesh is Tier 9 though. Do I have to explain why is that dumb?

Plus there's nothing even hinting that the "body melted" happened because of speed, either.

Did I really say this? Bones of baseline humans can just be higher into tier 9, when did I say they’re Tier 7? I’m just saying that 0.067 Tons of TNT isn’t enough, but this doesn’t mean that 0.24 or 1 Ton isn’t enough for example.

When something goes really fast that a human can’t withstand said pressure, wouldn’t their body straight up fall apart? Or even in this case, completely evaporate? Is there really another method of murder that Monokuma could’ve used in said execution that neither Junko or Kaito experienced? Do we know what that is? In case this comes up again, while this method can be said to be an “assumption”, it’s something that we can infer but I’m not sure if you can infer any other method that could potentially be mentioned.

Hey, man.

Do you know that openly provoking beef and similar shit is indeed reportable, right?

Besides the thing is different as there you'd not only have to circumvent a rule, but also change continuity rules and revise a whole scaling here. Don't think it's really the same, eh?

I was just joshing with you but I do apologize for the instigation, it was pretty toxic of me to make fun of you for that. I don’t think I’m changing any rules though, nor is this my intention. My proposal is to keep the rule the same, don’t scale mainline characters to V3 characters, but I also believe that there are exceptions that can be made especially when V3 was a converted fiction that was made to be a flawless copy of mainline, things that we can prove are the same or even better would possibly cross scale. In this regard, it’s not the same either I suppose.

Again, assumptions based on nothing but vibes. I could've also argued that the "more intense" could also be them depowering the thing just to make it look cooler as it'd have killed the victim regardless.

I don't know how I feel about depowering it. In fact, I would argue that it's more likely that they would've POWERED it to actually dig through literally any lower substance of earth. I'm FINALLY doing my proper replay on V3 and I would get to it eventually, but I rewatched the execution and forgot how SICK it was! I know we're in an argument in a pretty professional setting but jesus christ dude! The ship just flies down into the ground and literally digs so far that you get sent to lava and then dig so far from the lava that you get sent FROM WATER into opposite end clouds then go to the same area where Jin was. It visually looks super sick, but the only thing you can argue is that since this goes on for 25 seconds, and the Jin one goes on for like 11 maybe you can say that it got lower as it forcibly pushed through? But I can also argue that to do this they would have to amp the rocket to actually preform a higher feat than the one that Jin did. I will say I don't know how I feel about making the definitive claim that it was powered even more, but I think it depowering is out of the question and is a result of you being too skeptic on the scaling.

 

[StrymULTRA]

“might” referring to idk if YOUR own claim is true or not, “would” being what I am further explaining what is happening based on how the execution works, “seems” ngl might also be a misword on me because I said “seems” in regards to something that we visually see happening, I don’t see any assumption I made here. I’m not scaling Kaito to things that killed them, my argument is that it wouldn’t based on things I’ve mentioned. If you can convince me that without a doubt it would kill, I would drop the entire argument, but I don’t see that.

...the burden is on you to prove he would survive, given the entire point of executions.

Where is it even remotely implied that Kaito would have survived it without the disease? Because in the actual execution you see that Kaito dies in the middle of it, and the rocket very explicitly says "Execution Failed" in the middle of it, implying that it stopped and went in error, causing it to not be able to use its full potential because Kaito already died.

When something goes really fast that a human can’t withstand said pressure, wouldn’t their body straight up fall apart? Or even in this case, completely evaporate? Is there really another method of murder that Monokuma could’ve used in said execution that neither Junko or Kaito experienced? Do we know what that is? In case this comes up again, while this method can be said to be an “assumption”, it’s something that we can infer but I’m not sure if you can infer any other method that could potentially be mentioned.

Considering we do not know here, and how the thing is literally physically impossible (and if you question, yes, it'd tear apart by the sheer pressure), the melting thing has to happen with something else (with Mondo it happened because he got electrocuted after all). Though I did find said something else as I'll say below.

It visually looks super sick, but the only thing you can argue is that since this goes on for 25 seconds, and the Jin one goes on for like 11 maybe you can say that it got lower as it forcibly pushed through? But I can also argue that to do this they would have to amp the rocket to actually preform a higher feat than the one that Jin did. I will say I don't know how I feel about making the definitive claim that it was powered even more, but I think it depowering is out of the question and is a result of you being too skeptic on the scaling.

I just rewatched the Jin execution and I have noticed that it became super red when it reached space, implying that it has massively heated when going in space, thus explaining the melting part (and if you wonder, yes, human bones remain when a body is charred unless even more heat is applied).

On the other hand Kaito's rocked seems to be heat resistant as it literally went through lava and it didn't affect Kaito much, heck nothing in his seat even took fire, implying that the air in the ship got just a bit more hotter if anything.

 

[Thebadtimetrio32]

...the burden is on you to prove he would survive, given the entire point of executions.

Where is it even remotely implied that Kaito would have survived it without the disease? Because in the actual execution you see that Kaito dies in the middle of it, and the rocket very explicitly says "Execution Failed" in the middle of it, implying that it stopped and went in error, causing it to not be able to use its full potential because Kaito already died.

When it uses its full potential Kaito's body is still in tact unlike the other execution which is the issue, I can grandstand the idea that things that your body can withstand normally means that you would also tank it as I didn't see a counter to this point. I do agree with the idea that yes, the execution only failed because Kaito already died, but I used the execution failing at a certain point as a side point that he tanked most of the force. It's not uncommon for characters to survive portions of their executions, which is what our 9-A+ scaling comes from.

I just rewatched the Jin execution and I have noticed that it became super red when it reached space, implying that it has massively heated when going in space, thus explaining the melting part (and if you wonder, yes, human bones remain when a body is charred unless even more heat is applied).

On the other hand Kaito's rocked seems to be heat resistant as it literally went through lava and it didn't affect Kaito much, heck nothing in his seat even took fire, implying that the air in the ship got just a bit more hotter if anything.

Issue, while we it go through lava, when it eventually reaches space it heats up and turns red, JUST LIKE JIN'S, and also temporarily goes back to it's normal color before dropping down (Jin's turns back to red, however Kaito's isn't shown for the rest of the execution until the very end which is normal color just like Jin's when it reaches Monokuma, so we can infer that it turned red similarly to Jin's when every other detail is the exact same). You mentioning the heat thing might actually support my point that they're nearly 1 to 1, with the difference being that one goes up and one goes down. Another difference? Jin gets negged and Kaito doesn't.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Issue, while we it go through lava, when it eventually reaches space it heats up and turns red, JUST LIKE JIN'S, and also temporarily goes back to it's normal color before dropping down (Jin's turns back to red, however Kaito's isn't shown for the rest of the execution until the very end which is normal color just like Jin's when it reaches Monokuma, so we can infer that it turned red similarly to Jin's when every other detail is the exact same). You mentioning the heat thing might actually support my point that they're nearly 1 to 1, with the difference being that one goes up and one goes down. Another difference? Jin gets negged and Kaito doesn't.

That one is a good point.

Though this leads back to the whole continuity scaling issue. While I know that the scaling is from another thing, I do not think you can prove that it's fully 1:1 in AP (also because calc-wise is not above Tier 9).

Another thing is that just assuming every execution is Tier 7 is disingeneous because Junko always called each execution "very special" as it's made up to suit the victim. Like you cannot say that Leon and Alter Ego are tier 7 because they didn't die instantly to their executions for instance... so why are you assuming it is Tier 7 for Jin anyway?

 

[Thebadtimetrio32]

Another thing is that just assuming every execution is Tier 7 is disingeneous because Junko always called each execution "very special" as it's made up to suit the victim. Like you cannot say that Leon and Alter Ego are tier 7 because they didn't die instantly to their executions for instance... so why are you assuming it is Tier 7 for Jin anyway?

Did I say every execution is Tier 7? Maybe I misworded or actually straight up said it, but I'm not under the belief that every execution is tier 7, just that Kaito tanked an execution that we have a calc for being 0.067 Tons.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Did I say every execution is Tier 7? Maybe I misworded or actually straight up said it, but I'm not under the belief that every execution is tier 7, just that Kaito tanked an execution that we have a calc for being 0.067 Tons.

Sorry about dat but it was 11 PM when I first read this thread and I skipped that entirely fsr lmao.

Given that it's not that big of a gap, I don't mind it much then.

 

[Thebadtimetrio32]

Sorry about dat but it was 11 PM when I first read this thread and I skipped that entirely fsr lmao.

Given that it's not that big of a gap, I don't mind it much then.

I see. As a recap, it would upgrade Kaito tiers 3x above their original value, but would still have at least as this is a heavily weakened Kaito. Additionally, Kokichi would get “At least” and scale to this value for keeping up with a Kaito from the previous chapter.

 

[Thebadtimetrio32]

Don’t mean to spam notifications, but I just realized that if this were to go through, would we have to make another note on why Space lift off is an exception? Or at least add extra clarification on how the difference in continuities would work? It would be pretty weird for the note to claim that there should be NO cross scaling, but then apply a feat from mainline to V3

 

[StrymULTRA]

Don’t mean to spam notifications, but I just realized that if this were to go through, would we have to make another note on why Space lift off is an exception? Or at least add extra clarification on how the difference in continuities would work? It would be pretty weird for the note to claim that there should be NO cross scaling, but then apply a feat from mainline to V3

Just say in the dura justification that's a copy of the THH one and that's it.

 

[Thebadtimetrio32]

Alright cool.

Additionally, @Just_a_Random_Butler @Theglassman12 as far as I’m aware I need one of the two of your opinions as mods to apply the revisions yea? Can you check the revision out and give approval?

 

[Thebadtimetrio32]

Just remembered I made this thread, Bump

 

[Thebadtimetrio32]

holy bump

 

[Thebadtimetrio32]

It's gonna be almost 2 months with no admin response. Bump and is there a way to quicken the process?

 

[Antvasima]

What Theglassman12 accepted is probably fine.