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So, by pure chance, I found that we have a profile for Majin Buu from the Toei Continuity. More importantly I also noticed we now finally use this feat:
I took a peek at the thread where that was added, and from what I can tell (Here, here, here, here and here), it was decided that it's best to rate Outside Space as being just Environmental Destruction because it would not directly destroy the universe, just break down the dimensional walls surrounding the living world, which would then result in a bunch of alternate dimensions coming through and crushing the whole thing. In other words, the destructive aspect of the feat is being considered a chain reaction, and not something that Buuhan is doing by his own power.
Yeah, so, I disagree with that, namely because even the bit about "Breaking down the walls between dimensions" should already be considered an AP feat on its own right. Here's the full scene, for context:
As Dende says, what Buu is doing is really just an amplification of the Vice Shout, which is the pseudo-technique he uses to escape the RoSaT earlier in the story. Notably he says that the Vice Shout was Buu managing to "break through" the wall between dimensions and come back to the normal world, and as he says this, we're treated to a flashback of the scene where he punctures a hole into the space of the RoSaT. Quite frankly I feel weird having to actually break this scene down because the conclusion is pretty obvious all around: The "wall between dimensions" that Buu's tantrums affect is literally just the fabric of spacetime.
An analogy that would probably help visualize this a bit better would be that the different planes of existence are just like different rooms that stand side-by-side with each other, while the walls that separate them, and which they all share, are the structure of spacetime. Tear a hole through one of the walls, and you can now see the room next over, and maybe even enter it through said hole. Remove the walls entirely, and all of these rooms are now the same room.
So, yeah, needless to say, destroying the entire fabric of the spacetime continuum is Low 2-C at worst, which of course scales to conventional AP due to that explicitly being an effect of Buu's Ki (With whether you can even use the Vice Shout or not being directly related to how strong you are, as seen with Gotenks being unable to do it until he powered up to SSJ3). We also know he is destroying the entirety of the universe's fabric because of what Dende says: "At this rate, the walls between dimensions will break down," which indicates they're being entirely destroyed, as opposed to what he did to escape the RoSaT, which was just a small hole in them.
From what I can tell, there is a Discussion Rule about not making threads about this topic, allegedly on the grounds that it's been discussed and debunked "countless times." However the rule also doesn't link any of the discussions where that allegedly happened, so it's impossible to even have a sense of what the counterarguments to the feat are. So, I'm making this thread regardless.
So, by pure chance, I found that we have a profile for Majin Buu from the Toei Continuity. More importantly I also noticed we now finally use this feat:
I took a peek at the thread where that was added, and from what I can tell (Here, here, here, here and here), it was decided that it's best to rate Outside Space as being just Environmental Destruction because it would not directly destroy the universe, just break down the dimensional walls surrounding the living world, which would then result in a bunch of alternate dimensions coming through and crushing the whole thing. In other words, the destructive aspect of the feat is being considered a chain reaction, and not something that Buuhan is doing by his own power.
Yeah, so, I disagree with that, namely because even the bit about "Breaking down the walls between dimensions" should already be considered an AP feat on its own right. Here's the full scene, for context:
As Dende says, what Buu is doing is really just an amplification of the Vice Shout, which is the pseudo-technique he uses to escape the RoSaT earlier in the story. Notably he says that the Vice Shout was Buu managing to "break through" the wall between dimensions and come back to the normal world, and as he says this, we're treated to a flashback of the scene where he punctures a hole into the space of the RoSaT. Quite frankly I feel weird having to actually break this scene down because the conclusion is pretty obvious all around: The "wall between dimensions" that Buu's tantrums affect is literally just the fabric of spacetime.
An analogy that would probably help visualize this a bit better would be that the different planes of existence are just like different rooms that stand side-by-side with each other, while the walls that separate them, and which they all share, are the structure of spacetime. Tear a hole through one of the walls, and you can now see the room next over, and maybe even enter it through said hole. Remove the walls entirely, and all of these rooms are now the same room.
So, yeah, needless to say, destroying the entire fabric of the spacetime continuum is Low 2-C at worst, which of course scales to conventional AP due to that explicitly being an effect of Buu's Ki (With whether you can even use the Vice Shout or not being directly related to how strong you are, as seen with Gotenks being unable to do it until he powered up to SSJ3). We also know he is destroying the entirety of the universe's fabric because of what Dende says: "At this rate, the walls between dimensions will break down," which indicates they're being entirely destroyed, as opposed to what he did to escape the RoSaT, which was just a small hole in them.
From what I can tell, there is a Discussion Rule about not making threads about this topic, allegedly on the grounds that it's been discussed and debunked "countless times." However the rule also doesn't link any of the discussions where that allegedly happened, so it's impossible to even have a sense of what the counterarguments to the feat are. So, I'm making this thread regardless.
