Deltarune: Chapter 5 (SPOILER!!) Discussion Thread

[Omegabronic]

I think your philosophy is valid, but it's not present in the story we're discussing. A man is an adult human male, and nothing else. Flowery isn't human, thus, he is not a man (in sense of not being human). He is just a flower with a male identity.

Asgore is, in fact, not an Adult HUMAN male, and you are saying he is the "Flower MAN"?... ok

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Someone made a Flowery profile but it's missing a lot of stuff

Bruh

 

[GodlyCharmander]

I don't wanna be that guy, but both supposed "flower men" are present in this image lol

I agree that it might not be a serious height confirmation. But this image only has one man, the flower is not specified.

Flowery claims himself to be a human

The entire character arc is about how they want to be a human, and how we're just "watching their dream". Also, darkness can make they take any shape their dreams want, so is it really fair to use their physical appearance? I wouldn't agree.

Asgore is, in fact, not an Adult HUMAN male, and you are saying he is the "Flower MAN"?... ok

Guys, semantics. Society/Linguistics in Deltarune sees no difference between monsters and humans in gentrified termonology.

 

[God_of_perversion]

How did yall get this to 500+ messages in two days
You psychos!

 

[Omegabronic]

Or genderless, as he sees himself as "not real" object like all other darkners, thus only playing a role

Seriously this kid needs a proprer therapy session with Sans... I want them to interact so badly

 

[ShockingPsychic]

I agree that it might not be a serious height confirmation. But this image only has one man, the flower is not specified.

There's a very obvious double meaning here. There's Asgore, the guy running the flower shop, and the literal (soon to be) flower that becomes a man.

 

[Omegabronic]

I agree that it might not be a serious height confirmation. But this image only has one man, the flower is not specified.


The entire character arc is about how they want to be a human, and how we're just "watching their dream". Also, darkness can make they take any shape their dreams want, so is it really fair to use their physical appearance? I wouldn't agree.

They are IN the fantasy... therefore, he IS a man in the context of the Dark World, just likr how Spamtom IS a salesman, as Seam IS a shopkeeper, as Ralsei IS a prince... being "just a role" or not is irrelevant when they are "actors" inside the "story" being told

 

[Randomuser3412]

The entire character arc is about how they want to be a human, and how we're just "watching their dream". Also, darkness can make they take any shape their dreams want, so is it really fair to use their physical appearance? I wouldn't agree.

I really think it is fair. I'd call King a man, or Jevil. I completely disagree that it genuinely necessitates being a human to be honest and only does by definition in the real world because humans are the only "intelligent" life.

Anyway, the game calls him a Flower Man either way

 

[GodlyCharmander]

There's a very obvious double meaning here. There's Asgore, the guy running the flower shop, and the literal (soon to be) flower that becomes a man.

Yeah, it's supposed to lead you to believe it's talking about Flowery. Well, Flowery is very obviously not 10ft tall, and Asgore is known for being a bigger fella, therefore, I think the line is about him. Unless we're bringing Kris to the leagues, that's what makes the most sense to me.

Although, uhhh, let me make some back of the napkin calcs

 

[GodlyCharmander]

I really think it is fair. I'd call King a man, or Jevil.

Well, I concede. But has any darkner-

Oh wait, yeah, Aqua is stated to be a girl, which is no different that calling Flowery a man. Yeah, nevermind. GGs

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Yeah, it's supposed to lead you to believe it's talking about Flowery. Well, Flowery is very obviously not 10ft tall, and Asgore is known for being a bigger fella, therefore, I think the line is about him. Unless we're bringing Kris to the leagues, that's what makes the most sense to me.

Although, uhhh, let me make some back of the napkin calcs

Pretty sure if either Asgore or Flowery are 10 feet tall, Kris ends up being 2m+ through pixel scaling.

 

[Randomuser3412]

Pretty sure if either Asgore or Flowery are 10 feet tall, Kris ends up being 2m+ through pixel scaling.

Yeah. This gets a pretty funny number no matter how you look at it

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Pretty sure if either Asgore or Flowery are 10 feet tall, Kris ends up being 2m+ through pixel scaling.

Let's ignore the twenty as a gag.
Asgore: 276px (horn) or 249px (no horn) and 10ft tall,

Kris: 162px = 162/276x3.04800 = 1.79m or 5'10"

Not CRAZY for a late teenager

Kris: 162px = 162/249x3.04800 = 1.98m or 6'6"

MF GO TO THE LEAGUES

 

[Randomuser3412]

Not CRAZY for a late teenager

No, that's actually exactly how tall I would expect them to be, to be honest.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

No, that's actually exactly how tall I would expect them to be, to be honest.

5'10" hell, couldn't be me. If Kris is 16 (can drive) or 17 (about to go to college), it kinda makes sense.

 

[Zabazab]

The "Flower Man" being referred to in the titular song is Asgore of course, it's sung from Flowery's perspective as he witnessed Asgore's life go downhill. Flowery is a flower-man, so it's a pun, but not the Flower Man.

Dw this confusion wasn't nearly as ridiculous as people thinking Pink was Frisk for some reason lol

 

[Moon_Crasher]

Let's ignore the twenty as a gag.
Asgore: 276px (horn) or 249px (no horn) and 10ft tall,

Kris: 162px = 162/276x3.04800 = 1.79m or 5'10"

Not CRAZY for a late teenager

Kris: 162px = 162/249x3.04800 = 1.98m or 6'6"

MF GO TO THE LEAGUES

I think Asgore being 10 feet with his horns makes some sense.

 

[Moon_Crasher]

wait really?

I was using this as reference, uh, guess a iwas wrong. The 12.47 is for superhuman speed since the example of slow motion uses the speed of an average human while the knight is cleary not

he did crouch so i just i wil traid to calc that

Superhuman speed on this wiki is 12.43 m/s.

 

[Moon_Crasher]

Oh, and the acting during the platforming sections isn't a time stop, during the Hopschef minigame the timer only slows down but does not stop.

 

[Arceus0x]

I think Sans is the best character Toby has made. Ik that there's amazingly written characters in the series but Sans is the epitome of Toby media. First, he is funny, the perfect representation of Toby Fox's humor. His design is simple, slick, memorable. He plays tricks on you and makes jokes all along and yet he can also be an extremely hard boss.
If we look at it this way, Sans is the represenation of the games themselves. Funny and unpredictable on the surface, underneath there's a mystery, in the mystery there's a hard challenge and by beating the challenge you get to see the true tragedy. Sans has layers that match the layers of the game, he is the incarnation of the game in a way, that's why he is the ultimate character and the confirmations we got in the latest chapter soldidfy that for me.

 

[Omegabronic]

Dw this confusion wasn't nearly as ridiculous as people thinking Pink was Frisk for some reason lol

... excuse me?

 

[Omegabronic]

Weirdly enough in my third playthrough, in the spike puzzle, choosing "Wait and See" makes Ralsei say that he doesn't hate Flowery, that there are things likeable about him(while blushing angrily?) and that he just doesn't like HOW he does things

BTW i just notices Ralsei blushes a LOT around Flowery... even if he is also angry at the same time? When he is truly mad he doesn't blush like when he tried to attack Flowery... does he have crush on the "Flower-Man"?

 

[Moon_Crasher]

Superhuman speed on this wiki is 12.43 m/s.

Mountain height is accepted as 609.6 meters on this wiki too, so idk why 600 meters was used here.

 

[Randomuser3412]

I think Sans is the best character Toby has made. Ik that there's amazingly written characters in the series but Sans is the epitome of Toby media. First, he is funny, the perfect representation of Toby Fox's humor. His design is simple, slick, memorable. He plays tricks on you and makes jokes all along and yet he can also be an extremely hard boss.
If we look at it this way, Sans is the represenation of the games themselves. Funny and unpredictable on the surface, underneath there's a mystery, in the mystery there's a hard challenge and by beating the challenge you get to see the true tragedy. Sans has layers that match the layers of the game, he is the incarnation of the game in a way, that's why he is the ultimate character and the confirmations we got in the latest chapter soldidfy that for me.

"what's that look? you're wondering how i followed you? hmmm. as a human, you should know better than anyone. skeletons can't drown."

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Mountain height is accepted as 609.6 meters on this wiki too, so idk why 600 meters was used here.

We scale one of these mountains, so we can probably just pixelscale.

 

[Moon_Crasher]

Interestingly enough in my pacifist playthrough Susie adds Ralsei to the drawing (which seems to be triggered by Ralsei telling you the ice cream is from him in Ch4).

This is strange because the drawing in sans' lab only has 3 people on it.

 

[Randomuser3412]

Interestingly enough in my pacifist playthrough Susie adds Ralsei to the drawing (which seems to be triggered by Ralsei telling you the ice cream is from him in Ch4).

This is strange because the drawing in sans' lab only has 3 people on it.

Susie only draws Kris, herself and Ralsei in the Weird Route

 

[Omegabronic]

Interestingly enough in my pacifist playthrough Susie adds Ralsei to the drawing (which seems to be triggered by Ralsei telling you the ice cream is from him in Ch4).

This is strange because the drawing in sans' lab only has 3 people on it.

She only drew Noelle, Kris and Ralsei, Sans asks her to draw "her friends" not herself

 

[Forgettableusername]

I agree that it might not be a serious height confirmation. But this image only has one man, the flower is not specified.

definitely not. it would make the fun gang & noelle like eight to nine feet tall

 

[Randomuser3412]

I feel like a better reason than "it would make these guys a bit taller than how tall I think they should be," especially when nothing in the game seems to directly contradict this statement (other than assumptions of objects' sizes) is needed to dismiss an actual statement of height.

 

[Breadbear83]

I feel like a better reason than "it would make these guys a bit taller than how tall I think they should be," especially when nothing in the game seems to directly contradict this statement (other than assumptions of objects' sizes) is needed to dismiss an actual statement of height.

Susie 2.05m height already makes her taller than standard doors, with this she now would be like 2.2m, I think doors height would cap characters heights as consistent

The current heights are rather fine, everyone would be too tall if even Kris, who's generally a bit short, be taller than average adults

 

[Randomuser3412]

Susie 2.05m height already makes her taller than standard doors, with this she now would be like 2.2m, I think doors height would cap characters heights as consistent

You do realize these doors would be built FOR monsters, right? How is this even a problem?

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

You do realize these doors would be built FOR monsters, right? How is this even a problem?

 

[Moon_Crasher]

I originally thought Onionsan died but they would've turned to dust so probably not dead yet.

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

I originally thought Onionsan died but they would've turned to dust so probably not dead yet.

You kinda eated them in the festival

 

[Omegabronic]

Can't believe Chara made the Soul make Us make Kris make Noelle friendzone Susie

 

[Omegabronic]

You kinda eated them in the festival

We assume it is them but... monsters still turn to dust after they die, as seen by Gerson in chapter 4 and in the library in chapter 2, so Onion is... PROBABLY still alive either that or Onion is, in fact, NOT a monster... is he a cryptid? IS HE THE KRAKEN?

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

We assume it is them but... monsters still turn to dust after they die, as seen by Gerson in chapter 4 and in the library in chapter 2, so Onion is... PROBABLY still alive either that or Onion is, in fact, NOT a monster... is he a cryptid? IS HE THE KRAKEN?

Susie said it did taste like onion (it octopus food.. why would octopus food taste like onion if isnt onion-san ?)

Also you could probally put the dust in the food mix

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Might be a similar situation as this guy
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[Omegabronic]

Susie said it did taste like onion (it octopus food.. why would octopus food taste like onion if isnt onion-san ?)

Also you could probally put the dust in the food mix

Why would monster dust taste like... ONION of all things? You do know Onyum is not... a literal onion right? There is NO reason for him to taste like a legume, she is an octopus... you could have gone with that for the asociation that the plate is them

Also... how many octopus dishes have you eaten in your life time? Cooking octopus with onions is... very, very common, here's 5 examples: