Randomuser3412
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Well, Seam was the magician and Jevil was the jester. I don't necessarily think Jevil's role next to Seam would justify him scaling per se.
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Deltarune: Chapter 5 (SPOILER!!) Discussion Thread
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Ghengiroo115
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Have we considered that the reason Flowery didn’t use his fake statistics against the Gang isn’t because he didn’t want to, but because he couldn’t? I saw an idea from someone elsewhere theorising if he can only give himself maximum stats if he’s in the role of a player character and not a boss. Idk how logical that is (and I don’t think it really matters for battleboarding purposes) but it’s an interesting thought.
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Yeah, this make sense.
Flowery also needs Floradin to start a battle with the Knight. For whatever reason, it seems that only a Lightner can initiate one that is the player-like. That's probably why he needs Floradin in the first place, it would create a chain reaction and forces the Knight to become involved.
Randomuser3412
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Y'know, the Knight, when clashing with Flowery, was holding their sword up next to their right shoulder and swinging downwards. When Flowery is cut in half, though, the slice comes from the left, going upwards, the opposite direction the Knight was swinging from... what?
Jepilstiltskin
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Proof that the Knight is cutscene frauding.
Randomuser3412
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Well, either the Knight swapped the hand it was holding its sword in and repositioned the slice entirely (maybe, I guess), or some other person came in and did that.
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Or they just bitcth slaped slice
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What would've happen if the Roaring Knight wasn't a bushcamping demon
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Ghengiroo115
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They can summon flying swords, so I figured they just cut Flowery down while he was still blocking the Black Knife.
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Just finished Chapter 5. Gotta say, this was surprisingly a hard chapter given how I've actually died against the final boss more times than I've died to the Titan in Chapter 4 (0 times).
And... Flowery's theme literally reminds me of the Full House theme song for some reason.
And... Flowery's theme literally reminds me of the Full House theme song for some reason.
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Ghengiroo115
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Personally, I think he was never actually willing to use his fake stats against the gang. Throughout the chapter, he helps (in his own way) the Fun Gang overcome obstacles, he cares about them (if they lose to enemies, he takes them to a special room so they can rest in beds), and during their fight, he doesn’t kill us—he simply takes us to a back area (losing many times causes the damage to decrease, so it’s implied that he’s holding back). In his Omega form, if you don’t fail the QTE, he hesitates to counterattack; if you fail the QTE, he doesn’t revert to his normal form but still hesitates to attack Kris.
Honestly, I feel like the battle against Flowery is more of a battle of ideals and a strange way for him to see if the Fun Gang HAS the determination to face enemies who are far more powerful (even if that means destroying others’ fantasies). Flowery could have used a thousand and one ways to prevent the Gang from approaching the castle or to simply kick them out of the Dark World (he is way faster and stronger than them), but he didn’t want to, since he knows that even if he wins, they’ll die from carelessness.
I feel like Flowery wanted to show the Gang that sometimes it’s okay to break the rules and understand that it’s not always a fight between good and evil, but between ideals that aren’t entirely opposed (Asgore’s fantasy vs. Fun Gang’s fantasy).
I'm not sure if I expressed myself clearly, so I apologize for any misunderstanding.
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Randomuser3412
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Maybe Noelle should have held her horses on the Weird Route: "Enough, Kris! I don't need a trial to expose the truth! We've watched you since you were a child... And I know that you've CHANGED!" -Flowery
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Randomuser3412
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Wait until these guys find out that the Delta Gang fought a Titan
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I am genuinely scared of y'alls takes for other verses I scale atp given that some follow similar logic.
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