Dexter Morgan Vs Walter White

[Vzearr]

Dexter

Walter

Dexter knows that Walter is Heisenberg, and takes it upon himself to hunt him down. Walter is told a serial killer is hunting him down and is told as soon as Dexter knows Walter has to be on his table.

Start 10 km away from eachother. 1 week of prep for Dexter.

Walter is notified 48 hours before someone is coming after him.

SBA otherwise.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Dexter would win…i just cant prove it yet

 

[Arsuzz]

Draw. Walter learns he's being hunted and flees the city.

 

[Maikolpry]

Draw. Walter learns he's being hunted and flees the city.

agree

 

[GunshyFever]

Draw. Walter learns he's being hunted and flees the city.

Dexter is known to travel to extensive locations to capture his victims. An example of that is Lila, he bought a flight ticket all the way to Paris just to kill her. If Walter flees the city, that will for sure not be the last he hears from Dexter.

 

[Maikolpry]

Dexter is known to travel to extensive locations to capture his victims. An example of that is Lila, he bought a flight ticket all the way to Paris just to kill her. If Walter flees the city, that will for sure not be the last he hears from Dexter.

Yes, but Walter is smart enough to know how to hide his tracks. Anyway, if Dexter is able to track him, I'd say Walter could set a trap with explosives, but Dexter might sense it. It's still a draw for me, I'll wait for the debate to continue.

 

[Arsuzz]

Dexter is known to travel to extensive locations to capture his victims. An example of that is Lila, he bought a flight ticket all the way to Paris just to kill her. If Walter flees the city, that will for sure not be the last he hears from Dexter.

Walter has connections that allow him to escape without the DEA, the FBI (maybe), or the police finding him. Dexter will be completely helpless. Are the rules of the match permissible for a hunt that lasts for years?

 

[Maikolpry]

Bump

 

[AThe1412]

Draw. Walter learns he's being hunted and flees the city.

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SBA makes it so that combatants won't simply avoid confrontation even if they don't think they stand a chance. He'll have to actually fight Dexter at some point. Running away will count as a loss via BFR.

 

[Doggo]

Walter chills in a warehouse filled with traps, like bombs or poison, and waits for Dexter to come

I just can't prove it yet....

 

[AThe1412]

Walter chills in a warehouse filled with traps, like bombs or poison, and waits for Dexter to come

I just can't prove it yet....

He needs prep to get allat and by SBA, they're just a few meters away and facing each other's direction. Actually, Walt lacks a lot of stuff without prep.

 

[Doggo]

He needs prep to get allat and by SBA, they're just a few meters away and facing each other's direction. Actually, Walt lacks a lot of stuff without prep.

OP makes it seemed like Dexter needs to find him first

 

[Vzearr]

Edited OP.

 

[Doggo]

Yeah I don't think Dexter is gonna handle a bunch of traps well

 

[AThe1412]

Walter chills in a warehouse filled with traps, like bombs or poison, and waits for Dexter to come

I just can't prove it yet....

SBA says they're in Central Park.

Yeah I don't think Dexter is gonna handle a bunch of traps well

He has prior knowledge (by virtue of knowing that Walt is Heisenberg and thus being able to gain info about him) and prep + enhanced senses and literal ghosts warning him about threats.

 

[Arsuzz]

So
I think Dexter can take him

 

[McFriesGuy075]

Why isn't Walt 6-A

 

[Arkansalter2]

Why isn't Walt 6-A

Why would he?

 

[Mythic381]

Why isn't Walt 6-A

 

[McFriesGuy075]

Why would he?

He states that he is THE danger, the same way that black holes are dangerous to things around them, this would scale Waltr to the singularity of a blackhole, therefore High 3-A

This isn't even counting Hank preceding existance, he figured out Walter's identity at the beginning of the universe which means he'd have to be around to survive the big bang, a 3-A feat

 

[Arsuzz]

Why would he?

The whole world is hooked on blue meth, the government is dissolved, the economy is destroyed, humanity is collapsing

 

[Mythic381]

He states that he is THE danger, the same way that black holes are dangerous to things around them, this would scale Waltr to the singularity of a blackhole, therefore High 3-A

This isn't even counting Hank preceding existance, he figured out Walter's identity at the beginning of the universe which means he'd have to be around to survive the big bang, a 3-A feat

Technically you're wrong cuz that's High 3-A not 6-A

 

[Mythic381]

With Walter having prior knowledge of being hunted down by a serial killer, I feel like he'll just wait somewhere with traps, successfully killing Dexter.

 

[AThe1412]

With Walter having prior knowledge of being hunted down by a serial killer, I feel like he'll just wait somewhere with traps, successfully killing Dexter.

SBA says they're in Central Park.

He has prior knowledge (by virtue of knowing that Walt is Heisenberg and thus being able to gain info about him) and prep + enhanced senses and literal ghosts warning him about threats.

 

[Mythic381]

He has prior knowledge (by virtue of knowing that Walt is Heisenberg and thus being able to gain info about him) and prep + enhanced senses and literal ghosts warning him about threats.

Is there any actual information that Dexter can actually dig up on Walt? Considering:

Walter has connections that allow him to escape without the DEA, the FBI (maybe), or the police finding him.

 

[Doggo]

SBA says they're in Central Park.

He has prior knowledge (by virtue of knowing that Walt is Heisenberg and thus being able to gain info about him) and prep + enhanced senses and literal ghosts warning him about threats.

24 hours of prep means he can set up the traps in time

Aside from being good at chemistry and making good meth, how will Dexter somehow know he can create bombs and poison?


His enhanced senses are for people sneaking on him, not traps. You make a good point about the ghost tho

 

[Deadguy999]

Walter ain’t setting no traps in Central Park. It’s a open area and full of people

 

[AThe1412]

Is there any actual information that Dexter can actually dig up on Walt? Considering:

Aside from being good at chemistry and making good meth, how will Dexter somehow know he can create bombs and poison?

All of Heisenberg's feats are in their records, no? I doubt him eliminating Gus by putting a pipe bomb on Hector's wheelchair would've gone unnoticed or that time he walked into Tuco's hideout and blew it up by throwing a rock. He's the biggest meth kingpin in US history after all. Walt, on the other hand, has nothing on Dexter since he doesn't know that he's the Bay Harbour Butcher and has never been caught. All he knows is that he's some random serial killer who's going after him for some reason.

24 hours of prep means he can set up the traps in time

Setting them up in an open space is an entirely different problem. He won't be able to use poison, at least without making it obvious which is a given for explosive mechanisms as well.

His enhanced senses are for people sneaking on him, not traps.

It's also for noticing details that other people wouldn't notice.

 

[Maikolpry]

He states that he is THE danger, the same way that black holes are dangerous

 

[Maikolpry]

"If extreme advantages are generated via this location to one side, a balanced alternative should be discussed in the thread." - SBA Page.
I think the fact that Walter can't set traps due to the location could cause the location to change, since without his traps he is defenseless against a Wall Level Dexter.

 

[Mythic381]

"If extreme advantages are generated via this location to one side, a balanced alternative should be discussed in the thread." - SBA Page.
I think the fact that Walter can't set traps due to the location could cause the location to change, since without his traps he is defenseless against a Wall Level Dexter.

Yeah that makes sense, Dexter heavily out-scales and I'm pretty sure he out-skills too, with his equal scaling being via fulminated mercury, explosives and vehicles.

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

I think this match is skewed pretty heavily in Dexter's favor. Dexter's stealth, skill, and stats gives him a huge edge over Walter here. 24 hours of prep would not be enough time for Walter to do anything meaningful. Like, maybe he could make a few pipe bombs & scatter them around Central Park, but Central Park is HUGE. Dexter accidentally running into one of Walter's traps would honestly be pretty lucky for Walt, and is unlikely to happen. There really just isn't much Walter could do in this situation, as 9/10 times Dexter would just sneak up on him & kill him without too much issue, with Walt only winning if he gets lucky

I think a far more fair & interesting match would be something that isn't a direct head-to-head confrontation like this, but more so a "cat-and-mouse" game where each of them are trying to hunt the other in some general location. Something like "Walter White vs Gus" in Breaking Bad. The 2 of them never actually went head-to-head, but instead just tried to out-predict the other & kill them. Given their equal intelligence rating (though imo Walter is significantly smarter) & how good Walter is in situations like this, I think that would be an interesting debate that is also more balenced

 

[AThe1412]

"If extreme advantages are generated via this location to one side, a balanced alternative should be discussed in the thread." - SBA Page.
I think the fact that Walter can't set traps due to the location could cause the location to change, since without his traps he is defenseless against a Wall Level Dexter.

I mean, he can still set traps. It's just that the likelihood of Dexter falling for them even without prior knowledge is a lot lower, though poison gas just wouldn't work in an open space.

 

[Vzearr]

Why wouldn't Walt just run out of the park.

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Why wouldn't Walt just run out of the park.

"State of mind: In character, but will attempt to win the battle. Characters will not give up of their own accord. That means a character that is uninterested or sees no chance of winning won't simply leave and characters wouldn't simply become friends with each other." - Standard Battle Assumptions

 

[Vzearr]

"State of mind: In character, but will attempt to win the battle. Characters will not give up of their own accord. That means a character that is uninterested or sees no chance of winning won't simply leave and characters wouldn't simply become friends with each other." - Standard Battle Assumptions

Isn't that attempting to win the battle, he'd just run outta da park and figure it out from there, there isn't like, a restriction to keep him in the park, they just spawn there, and their prep time can apply anywhere.

 

[AThe1412]

Why wouldn't Walt just run out of the park.

Dexter catches up very quickly thanks to being a bit over 5 times faster. Hell, he could even use the opportunity to ambush Walt while the latter is running. Central Park is freaking massive, so it'll take him at least several minutes to get out.

 

[Doggo]

I think this match is skewed pretty heavily in Dexter's favor. Dexter's stealth, skill, and stats gives him a huge edge over Walter here. 24 hours of prep would not be enough time for Walter to do anything meaningful. Like, maybe he could make a few pipe bombs & scatter them around Central Park, but Central Park is HUGE. Dexter accidentally running into one of Walter's traps would honestly be pretty lucky for Walt, and is unlikely to happen. There really just isn't much Walter could do in this situation, as 9/10 times Dexter would just sneak up on him & kill him without too much issue, with Walt only winning if he gets lucky

I think a far more fair & interesting match would be something that isn't a direct head-to-head confrontation like this, but more so a "cat-and-mouse" game where each of them are trying to hunt the other in some general location. Something like "Walter White vs Gus" in Breaking Bad. The 2 of them never actually went head-to-head, but instead just tried to out-predict the other & kill them. Given their equal intelligence rating (though imo Walter is significantly smarter) & how good Walter is in situations like this, I think that would be an interesting debate that is also more balenced

A cat and mouse chase would be more interesting yeah

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Isn't that attempting to win the battle, he'd just run outta da park and figure it out from there, there isn't like, a restriction to keep him in the park, they just spawn there, and their prep time can apply anywhere.

If that's the case, then why even have both of them start in Central Park? Just have this be like the previous cat-and-mouse game setup that I suggested earlier

It has also been discussed in previous matches, but you can't just retreat to give yourself more prep time. By that logic, in every single Batman match, Batman just runs away, gets 10 microseconds of prep time & proceeds to no-diff any 8-C he's put up against. You aren't allowed to just leave a match. This has been apart of SBA for a while

 

[Deadguy999]

If extreme advantages are generated via this location to one side, a balanced alternative should be discussed in the thread." - SBA Page.
I think the fact that Walter can't set traps due to the location could cause the location to change, since without his traps he is defenseless against a Wall Level Dexter.

Yea we should change location

Setting them up in an open space is an entirely different problem. He won't be able to use poison, at least without making it obvious which is a given for explosive mechanisms as well.

Walter ain’t setting no traps in Central Park. It’s a open area and full of people