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Digimon Update Revision: Physiology, Data and Hellfire

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Hello everyone, Digimon is a very old verse here in the wiki, several pages such as the Physiology page for Digimon are very outdated, as such me and several other supporters were working on updating it and several other aspects of the verse, without further delay, here we go

Digimon Physiology​

As one of the first's of its kind, it is very old and severely outdated, so here it is the revision, adding more sections, abilities, scans and references, mostly adding stuff from the blogs that wasn't added at the time of its creation:

Old

New

Data Manipulation (Digimon)​

We also made a page for Data Manipulation within the verse, including a section for Light and Darkness called "Idea Manipulation", since many beings outside of Digimon use of Data in the verse

Here it is

Hellfire Manipulation (Digimon)​

Lastly, we have remnants of Hellfire Manipulation in several of our Digimon profiles, so now we made a proper page for it

Here it is
 
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Hello everyone, Digimon is a very old verse here in the wiki, several pages such as the Physiology page for Digimon are very outdated, as such me and several other supporters were working on updating it and several other aspects of the verse, without further delay, here we go
Ah yes, it has finally arrived.

As stated, I have reviewed the Physiology and Data Manipulation many MANY times over. I'm fine with these. Hellfire Manipulation I'm less so familiar, but I've checked it already multiple times. And these also seem fine.

However, just as previous stated, my disagreements are with Appmon in the physiology page (Or at the very least unsure). I'm unsure if Appmon should gain general Digimon abilities. Appmon in general is a weird placement in the Digimon verse. I understand they're a subspecies, but I'm unsure if that grants them general Digimon abilities.

My only other nitpick is I'm unsure about the flight for Angels (only because of LovelyAngemon).

That being said, I'm fine with everything else and everything else seems fine. But I'd like to hear about others opinion on that.

You genuinely did a great job on crafting these pages.

Edit: If everyone else is fine with the Appmon stuff, then I'll also be fine with it.
 
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I think you need more scans I don't think you've proved it enough
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Being one of the people who looked over all three blogs (and provided suggestions), I agree
(Also the 4HBs scale to 9D rn, not 10D, which is where we scale the Kernel rn)
 
Being one of the people who looked over all three blogs (and provided suggestions), I agree
(Also the 4HBs scale to 9D rn, not 10D, which is where we scale the Kernel rn)
I thought it was 10-D and the ME was 11-D?
 
I agree with everything. Shouldn't Laws be added to Non-existence? Data only receives Laws when Realizes.
 
As someone who looked over the blogs previously too, I agree.

About LovelyAngemon point I suggested back in the server, I'd say flight can be added to individual pages separately.

For Light and Darkness empowerment topic brought up, while all the scans are already there, I'd suggest just adding an explaination of how they empower the Digimon.
 
Law is already there
I checked again, it's in the Dark Digimon section and it's there in NEP, but in the [non-physical interaction] section of general Digimon abilities, it's not updated. Law should be included.

@Omegabronic that should be updated.
As someone who looked over the blogs previously too, I agree.

About LovelyAngemon point I suggested back in the server, I'd say flight can be added to individual pages separately.

For Light and Darkness empowerment topic brought up, while all the scans are already there, I'd suggest just adding an explaination of how they empower the Digimon.
Yeah that sounds good.

Btw for the flight example, LovelyAngemon is like a rare exception, which is why I bought it up as my nitpick.
 
Law is already there
It's only in the part about the Darks, and the interactions don't match the physiology.

General Digimon:
Non-Physical Interaction (Intangibility, InformationType 2】, Data, InformationType 1】, Quantum Particles, Minds/Memories, Souls, Space-Time, History/Fate, Energy/Electricity, Magic, Elements], Nonexistent PhysiologyNature 1 & 2,All Aspects; 5: History, Causality, Fate, Energy, Space-Time & Willpower
Dark Digimon:
Nonexistent Physiology (Nature Type 1, All aspects [Type 5: History, Law, Causality, Fate, Energy, Space-Time & Willpower]
 
As someone who looked over the blogs previously too, I agree.

About LovelyAngemon point I suggested back in the server, I'd say flight can be added to individual pages separately.

For Light and Darkness empowerment topic brought up, while all the scans are already there, I'd suggest just adding an explaination of how they empower the Digimon.
IIRC everytime we see any angel they... fly/float even without wings, like Cherubimon... so maybe i should change the description?
 
IIRC everytime we see any angel they... fly/float even without wings, like Cherubimon... so maybe i should change the description?
TBF, Cherubimon has like ear wings. Lovelyangemon, on the other hand, just doesn't.

But again, LovelyAngemon is like a rare exception. So idk what the solution to that would be.

Edit: Btw I saw the sandboxes and law is updated on all of them. Thank you. That should be fixed @Lynieryz
 
Okay, as general naming thing:
  • Data Manipulation and Hellfire Manipulation cannot be used for page names, as they're generic power listings already. You'd either have to give them special in-universe names or clearly define what franchise they're from like with Psychic Power in Warhammer.
    • If forced for an original name, I'd go with "Digital Energy" or "Digi-Power" (despite that name being memey) for the former and the latter just seems like a bunch of different stuff mashed together, so I'm not sure what to do about that other than "Hellfire (Digimon)"
  • All the names used for the blog seem to be the Japanese ones translated directly to English (Ultimate vs Mega) which confused me at times and I can see it confusing others. To my understanding, these are purely direct translations, and the official English media uses different terms. Shouldn't they be changed to reflect that, or at least give a "/" such as "Ultimate/Mega level Digimon"?
  • This seems to run into a large amount of composites in franchise material, but I guess that's more an inherited historical issue than the thread itself
Digimon Physiology
The following line:
are digital creatures that live in the Digital World, a realm usually overseen by Yggdrasil
Seems narrower than needed. There's multiple overseers and while Yggrasil/King Drasil is the most common, they're not the only ones and Digimon can be on any multitude of servers. I'd remove the mention or list all the known host computers:
digital creatures that live in the Digital World, a realm usually overseen by a host computer such as Yggdrasil, Homeros, or Kunlun

This links to an entire cosmology blog. You'd have to link to a specific section of said cosmology blog
aturally having Inner Worlds,
The linked explanation is fine, but the blog itself has a dead link:
As realms in a Digimon's heart/Digicore
Which would also need to be fixed

Digimon is listed twice here "Digimon Digimon" and the explanation of "Usually don't die of natural causes" doesn't line up with any of the scans presented.
This is technology manipulation. Possession requires direct control over a living being per the page:

Summary​

Possession is the ability of a character to take control of another character by entering their mind, body, or soul. It is different from mind control, as it is done internally instead of externally. Traditionally in folklore and fiction, demons and ghosts most often have this power. Possession allows for many characters to escape death by hopping from one body to another, making it difficult to kill them.

Possible Mechanisms​

  • Mental Possession: The user possesses the victim by entering their mind or projecting their consciousness into their body so that they can control them.
  • Physical Possession: The user possesses the victim by entering their body and controlling them from the inside out.
  • Spiritual Possession: The user possesses the victim by entering their body with their own soul and taking control of their actions.
So this power needs to be changed or removed
The following format is weird:
Non-Physical Interaction (Intangibility, InformationType 2】, Data, InformationType 1】, Quantum Particles, Minds/Memories, Souls, Space-Time, History/Fate, Energy/Electricity, Magic, Elements], Nonexistent PhysiologyNature 1 & 2,All Aspects; 5: History, Law, Causality, Fate, Energy, Space-Time & Willpower】/Beyond-Dimensional ExistenceType 1】& Paraconsistent PhysiologyType 2
You have NP start with a "(" and then end with a "]", we never user "[]" to refer to a type and there's strange spaces everywhere. It should look like the following:
Non-Physical Interaction (Intangibility, Information (Type 2), Data, Information (Type 1), Quantum Particles, Mind, Memories, Souls, Space-Time, Fate, Energy, Electricity, Magic, Elements), Nonexistent Physiology (Nature 1 & 2, All Aspects; 5: History, Law, Causality, Fate, Energy, Space-Time & Willpower), Beyond-Dimensional Existence (Type 1) & Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 2)
Of the list:
  • You can't have Type 1 and Type 2 Non-existence simultaneously. Type 1 means you're a binary 0 to existence binary 1 and Type 2 means you're neither 1 or 0 in a binary system.
  • Nothing given in your explanation justifies the above in almost any capacity. If its explained in the Data Manipulation page for Digimon, then that needs to be the primary justification and not the first sentence used
This needs to be further explained to me, because you're contradicting yourself with this. If a Digimon is pure information, they cannot have a size at all since they're abstract concepts. Having an internal pocket dimension is also not a size justification and being able to adjust size does not mean they can become multiversal without a feat behind it.

None of the above is corrosion-inducing unless you're arguing that Wireframes are physical material.
This should be "Digimon can resist being erased"
This should just be "Immunity to Biological Manipulation" since they're non-organic beings and Biological Manipulation covers all those powers.
Poison Manipulation: Digimon are able to safely stay in places of extreme temperatures, be it in hot volcanic areas or the cold of outer space, being unbothered by the sulfur in the air of the former
Because Digimon have Self-Substance (All) they don't require breathing, meaning they would not qualify for poison resistance since they would never have to breath in the Sulfur in the first place.
This is just "Resistance to Data Manipulation" as Water is a byproduct of the Data being manipulated and not a primary usage of the power

Digimon Types

Fire Manipulation (up to 15 million degrees Celsius) , Enhanced Idea Manipulation (Holy Power) & Statistics Amplification
Reading the justifications, only Aldamon with it's ultimate move can reach 15 Million degress, so you would need to write "Varies, up to 15 Million Degrees" and then list what temperature each Digimon is scaling to, otherwise people will think Champion level Digimon like Meramon will have 15 Million Degree heat when that's not true. Even Aldamon doesn't have that level of heat normally.

Additionally, why not just directly link to the Digimon Encyclopedia for some of these?
Mid-High is recovering from vapor. Since they require "Flame" to regenerate from, this seems more like Low-High or High-Mid
These justifications contradict the earlier things about then just being raw data. If they're abstract beings with no true physical form, then having fake flesh or being skeletons are meaningless for a justification. Unless those things actually matter, it should read more like this:
Undead Digimon are neither truly alive nor dead. Because of their undead nature, they can continue functioning even their configuration Data has broken down, leaving their wireframes as bare skeletons or piles of decaying tissue. They persist solely through powerful fighting instinct and Willpower, pushing on regardless of their bodies’ condition and remaining active as long as they want to fight on. Undead Digimon are also considered effectively immortal, able to instantly regenerate from any damage as long as they can absorb Data. Only complete destruction is considered enough to put them down.
All your sources state that Magnamon has control over Chrome Digizoid. Saying Metal generically gives an incorrect impression of the power
I see a justification for Type 4, but Type 2 implies they only exist in the present, which would be Versandi. Versandi is also a timeline, and the future is a simulation made by Yggdrasil. Since Type 4 would already given them resistances to timeline changes, I don't see them qualifying for Type 2 currently.
The Seven Great Demon Lords
Picture has eight beings
Invalid sections /s
But for this part:
The Digimon eliminated by the great demon lords do not reincarnate, but go to the center of the dark area and become their own flesh and blood
To match the scan justificaiton, it should be changed to:
Does this count as free movement since all Digimon are already digital beings who can normally interact with stuff like EM signals and wifi?
 
Data Manipulation
If the Digimon are forced to defeat something to change them, this would add a "Limited" qualifier. If the Digimon have a natural resistance to it, which is why they need to be beat up, then this justification needs to have its wording changed.

Universal Energy System​

So the main issue here is that a UES isn't about just "Bigger Data = Stronger Digimon" its that you can channel your energy equally into all aspects of your stats. All you've proven here is a Limited Energy or Non-Physical Energy System. This section requires more before it can be accepted as a UES
The manipulation of Data should thus at bare minimum scale to the scope of every world within existence
No it shouldn't. You'd have to prove that every individual aspect of data is 9-D in scope and not the totality of existence.

Layers​

I have no issue with the layers other than my previous naming problems, where these are all direct translations and not used in official English material

Hellfire
No issues I see currently, I guess

Other things
  • The Hellfire page mentions "Data Manipulation: General and Idea" but there's no general section to the Data Manipulation page. It should be "Data Manipulation (Hacking & Idea)"
  • The Hellfire Page for Resistance says "Data Manipulation & Idea Manipulation" when it should be "Data Manipulation (Hacking & Idea)"
  • Is the generic statement of "Data Manipulation: Idea" assuming Shared, Holy, Dark, or all three? It probably needs to be spelled out more. Maybe instead of "Shared" write "General" so you can have "Ideas - All, Ideas - General, Ideas - Holy, Ideas - Dark", but that's more of a suggestion than anything
  • In the Digimon Physiology page, in the Low Tier section, it just links to Data Manipulation, implying all Digimon can use everything in that back when that's incorrect. It should be "Data Manipulation (Hacking)"
  • Since the Data Manipulation page includes layers already, adding "Enhanced" doesn't make sense. The bare minimum layers for that level (Ultimate [10 layers] / Mega [13 Layers]) should be listed at every stage in my view
  • Undead Digimon's "Enhanced Data Absorption" should clarify, since right now the page would assume they can absorb Data from the Idea section. It should clarify that it's referring to Hacking Data or spelling out that I can now impact data in the Idea section
  • Why does the Digimental of Fate/Miracles give "Enhanced Holy Power"? Is the assumption that every Digimon has "Data Manipulation - Holy Power"? This also applies to Angel Digimon and Dark Digimon

Anything I didn't mention here or in the previous post assume I didn't have an immediate issue with and approve of.
 
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Didn't older material also call MaloMyotismon a Great Demon Lord? Really the entire name scheme is limited tbh
Answering this real quick before the other parts, the 8th Digimon in the picture is Ogudomon, the Fusion of the Great Demon Lords... altho i suppose we could just use "Great Demon Lords" instead to avoid confusion
 
Okay, as general naming thing:
  • Data Manipulation and Hellfire Manipulation cannot be used for page names, as they're generic power listings already. You'd either have to give them special in-universe names or clearly define what franchise they're from like with Psychic Power in Warhammer.
    • If forced for an original name, I'd go with "Digital Energy" or "Digi-Power" (despite that name being memey) for the former and the latter just seems like a bunch of different stuff mashed together, so I'm not sure what to do about that other than "Hellfire (Digimon)"
I was going for "Data Manipulation (Digimon)"... altho, we could go with "Digicode" as it is another Name given to it, or just Digital Energy i think works... will wait for more opinions on that from the other supporters

  • All the names used for the blog seem to be the Japanese ones translated directly to English (Ultimate vs Mega) which confused me at times and I can see it confusing others. To my understanding, these are purely direct translations, and the official English media uses different terms. Shouldn't they be changed to reflect that, or at least give a "/" such as "Ultimate/Mega level Digimon"?
  • This seems to run into a large amount of composites in franchise material, but I guess that's more an inherited historical issue than the thread itself
I am just so used to calling them by the japanese names i didn't even thought about it... oopss, i will do a "/" like you suggested, that should be enough

Digimon Physiology
The following line:

Seems narrower than needed. There's multiple overseers and while Yggrasil/King Drasil is the most common, they're not the only ones and Digimon can be on any multitude of servers. I'd remove the mention or list all the known host computers:
Very well, will change that into that

This links to an entire cosmology blog. You'd have to link to a specific section of said cosmology blog
Will do so, will link to the Digital World section

Digimon is listed twice here "Digimon Digimon" and the explanation of "Usually don't die of natural causes" doesn't line up with any of the scans presented.
Will fix the former and change the latter into "don't die of illness", does that solve the issue?

This is technology manipulation. Possession requires direct control over a living being per the page:

So this power needs to be changed or removed
I thought possessing technology counted? I can change to Technology Manipulation

The following format is weird:

You have NP start with a "(" and then end with a "]", we never user "[]" to refer to a type and there's strange spaces everywhere. It should look like the following:
Will fix that

Of the list:
  • You can't have Type 1 and Type 2 Non-existence simultaneously. Type 1 means you're a binary 0 to existence binary 1 and Type 2 means you're neither 1 or 0 in a binary system.
  • Nothing given in your explanation justifies the above in almost any capacity. If its explained in the Data Manipulation page for Digimon, then that needs to be the primary justification and not the first sentence used
I see, will fix those

the NEP part was cause they can interact with beings that are Type 1 and other beings that are Type 2... but i suppose it is kind of redundant as the latter makes the former obvious, will change

This needs to be further explained to me, because you're contradicting yourself with this. If a Digimon is pure information, they cannot have a size at all since they're abstract concepts. Having an internal pocket dimension is also not a size justification and being able to adjust size does not mean they can become multiversal without a feat behind it.
Well, Digimon can give themselves Physical form via Realization... so you are kind of right, i suppose i could relocate that to the Realization section to make it more understandable

None of the above is corrosion-inducing unless you're arguing that Wireframes are physical material.
Hum... i guess, will remove it then

This should be "Digimon can resist being erased"
Will change into that

This should just be "Immunity to Biological Manipulation" since they're non-organic beings and Biological Manipulation covers all those powers.
Makes sense, agreed

Because Digimon have Self-Substance (All) they don't require breathing, meaning they would not qualify for poison resistance since they would never have to breath in the Sulfur in the first place.
This.... makes a lot of sense, yeah, will change that

This is just "Resistance to Data Manipulation" as Water is a byproduct of the Data being manipulated and not a primary usage of the power
I suppose? Will change that

Digimon Types


Reading the justifications, only Aldamon with it's ultimate move can reach 15 Million degress, so you would need to write "Varies, up to 15 Million Degrees" and then list what temperature each Digimon is scaling to, otherwise people will think Champion level Digimon like Meramon will have 15 Million Degree heat when that's not true. Even Aldamon doesn't have that level of heat normally.
Yeah, that part of them charging their attacks was to cover that... but yeah i could have explained better

i remember a scene talking about the minimum heat of Birdramon's fire, i could change it into "Varies from At least X heat, up to 15 Million degrees". Would that be acceptable?

Additionally, why not just directly link to the Digimon Encyclopedia for some of these?
I... thought i linked those too? If not i probably should, got catch, thank you

Mid-High is recovering from vapor. Since they require "Flame" to regenerate from, this seems more like Low-High or High-Mid
I thought Fire was a gas? If not... then sure, will lower it to Low-High

These justifications contradict the earlier things about then just being raw data. If they're abstract beings with no true physical form, then having fake flesh or being skeletons are meaningless for a justification. Unless those things actually matter, it should read more like this:
Oh that is actually... perfectly what i wanted to write from the beginning... just didn't "click" on my head at the time i suppose lol

Thank you a lot, that description works at lot better

All your sources state that Magnamon has control over Chrome Digizoid. Saying Metal generically gives an incorrect impression of the power
Got it, i suppose i could change to "Can manipulate Chrome Digizoid Metal"?

I see a justification for Type 4, but Type 2 implies they only exist in the present, which would be Versandi. Versandi is also a timeline, and the future is a simulation made by Yggdrasil. Since Type 4 would already given them resistances to timeline changes, I don't see them qualifying for Type 2 currently.
Hum... i suppose, since Type 4 change to having to list what resistance it would give them, i was thinking of listing it as:
Acausality (Type 4, Causality, Fate, and Precognition)
As logically speaking, existing outside/beyond Past, Present and Future should protect you from having those altered or seem into... what do you think?

But for this part:

To match the scan justificaiton, it should be changed to:
Noted, will do that

Does this count as free movement since all Digimon are already digital beings who can normally interact with stuff like EM signals and wifi?
I... think so? If you are arguing all Digimon should be able to do that... maybe that can go to the normal section instead?



I just wanna say thank you for the suggestions, i see a few misteps i needed to correct i am pluzled how i didn't saw before lol

Post Writting Note: Will wait to solve the issues with the Physiology Page you mentioned before covering the Data page post... feels more organized that way
 
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I was going for "Data Manipulation (Digimon)"... altho, we could go with "Digicode" as it is another Name given to it, or just Digital Energy i think works... will wait for more opinions on that from the other supporters
Data Manipulation (Digimon) is fine, same with the Hellfire (Digimon) if there isn't a better or more usable term.
Will fix the former and change the latter into "don't die of illness", does that solve the issue?
Yeah. The issue was "Usually doesn't die of natural causes" which contradicts Type 1 immortality.
I thought possessing technology counted?
Think of the power as the simplest thing needed in order for an action to be performed. Possession is used because generally, a human or living being can't be hijacked, while you can hack or take over a machine with other powers.
the NEP part was cause they can interact with beings that are Type 1 and other beings that are Type 2... but i suppose it is kind of redundant as the latter makes the former obvious, will change
Isn't Negamon the only Type 2 being they've been shown to interact with?
Well, Digimon can give themselves Physical form via Realization... so you are kind of right, i suppose i could relocate that to the Realization section to make it more understandable
If they can get physical forms with Realization that's fine, but you'll still run into the size issue. Containing a pocket universe or multiverse isn't Large Size 8 or 9 justification.
I suppose?
I know its weird. But for resistance you have to go with the causal power. So for example, if Katara tried to bloodbend you, her core power is Water Manipulation since she's manipulating the water in your body. So if you have Water Manipulation resistance, he can stop her power. With the Digimon they're taking the humans' data and converting it into water, which is why the resistance would be Data Manipulation rather than Water Manipulation. Since in the same Katara scenario, if you had water resistance, you would still be unable to stop that because they're extracting data and not actual liquid.
i remember a scene talking about the minimum heat of Birdramon's fire, i could change it into "Varies from At least X heat, up to 15 Million degrees". Would that be acceptable?
Yeah that's good with me.
I thought Fire was a gas? If not... then sure, will lower it to Low-High
No, you're right, Fire is ionized gas/plasma and I thought it was different for some reason. So it would be Mid-High.
Got it, i suppose i could change to "Can manipulate Chrome Digizoid Metal"?
Yeah, having it be just "Metal" makes it seem like they're Magneto or something.
Acausality (Type 4, Causality, Fate, and Precognition)
As logically speaking, existing outside/beyond Past, Present and Future should protect you from having those altered or seem into... what do you think?
I think Type 4 is fine as long as you keep the justifications. So it should look something like:
I... think so? If you are arguing all Digimon should be able to do that... maybe that can go to the normal section instead?
Good with me.
Four Holy Beasts is like... so generic for what they are also tbf lol
FHB suffer from Franchise creep. They're like, the Yamcha of the Digital World protectors half the time.
 
Data Manipulation (Digimon) is fine, same with the Hellfire (Digimon) if there isn't a better or more usable term.

Yeah. The issue was "Usually doesn't die of natural causes" which contradicts Type 1 immortality.

Think of the power as the simplest thing needed in order for an action to be performed. Possession is used because generally, a human or living being can't be hijacked, while you can hack or take over a machine with other powers.

Isn't Negamon the only Type 2 being they've been shown to interact with?

If they can get physical forms with Realization that's fine, but you'll still run into the size issue. Containing a pocket universe or multiverse isn't Large Size 8 or 9 justification.

I know its weird. But for resistance you have to go with the causal power. So for example, if Katara tried to bloodbend you, her core power is Water Manipulation since she's manipulating the water in your body. So if you have Water Manipulation resistance, he can stop her power. With the Digimon they're taking the humans' data and converting it into water, which is why the resistance would be Data Manipulation rather than Water Manipulation. Since in the same Katara scenario, if you had water resistance, you would still be unable to stop that because they're extracting data and not actual liquid.

Yeah that's good with me.

No, you're right, Fire is ionized gas/plasma and I thought it was different for some reason. So it would be Mid-High.

Yeah, having it be just "Metal" makes it seem like they're Magneto or something.

I think Type 4 is fine as long as you keep the justifications. So it should look something like:


Good with me.
Will remove the large size part and make the adjustments you proposed of the Physiology Sandbox, then i can go into your Data Sandbox points, would that be ok?

And yes... Negamon is the only being, i mistyped
FHB suffer from Franchise creep. They're like, the Yamcha of the Digital World protectors half the time.
Still less of Jobbers than Zeed funnily enough lol
 
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FHB suffer from Franchise creep. They're like, the Yamcha of the Digital World protectors half the time.
Still less of Jobbers than Zeed funnily enough lol
Don't forget Seraphimon.

Huanglongmerchantmon too.

Although Zeedpotentialmon is one of (if not, the biggest) jobber in this franchise for losing to kids and Rookies/Child level.

Jokes aside, do we need more votes or.....?
 
Data Manipulation

If the Digimon are forced to defeat something to change them, this would add a "Limited" qualifier. If the Digimon have a natural resistance to it, which is why they need to be beat up, then this justification needs to have its wording changed.
Ok, will reword it to:

So the main issue here is that a UES isn't about just "Bigger Data = Stronger Digimon" its that you can channel your energy equally into all aspects of your stats. All you've proven here is a Limited Energy or Non-Physical Energy System. This section requires more before it can be accepted as a UES

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Muscular Strength (筋力): It is one of the parameters that exists in the Digicore of a Digimon. It is a memory that encompasses quickness, powerfulness, proficiency of skills, etc., It is called the "Strength Calibrator" (「強さの器」). The higher the force increases in the Calibrator, the more data is allocated in each status.
This one shows that they can spread their Data in each of their stats to determine how high each of them are, so yes they can spread/"channel their energy equally into all aspects of their stats", as that's what the Strength Calibrator is for

No it shouldn't. You'd have to prove that every individual aspect of data is 9-D in scope and not the totality of existence.
What do you mean by this? I thought the statements of Data/Light and Darkness affecting all other world's in existence in the other scans of that sections would have covered that?

I have no issue with the layers other than my previous naming problems, where these are all direct translations and not used in official English material
Will do that
Hellfire
No issues I see currently, I guess
Perfect, thank you

Other things
  • The Hellfire page mentions "Data Manipulation: General and Idea" but there's no general section to the Data Manipulation page. It should be "Data Manipulation (Hacking & Idea)"
  • The Hellfire Page for Resistance says "Data Manipulation & Idea Manipulation" when it should be "Data Manipulation (Hacking & Idea)"
Yeah... i originally named the Hacking section as "General", thanks for noticing

  • Is the generic statement of "Data Manipulation: Idea" assuming Shared, Holy, Dark, or all three? It probably needs to be spelled out more. Maybe instead of "Shared" write "General" so you can have "Ideas - All, Ideas - General, Ideas - Holy, Ideas - Dark", but that's more of a suggestion than anything
  • In the Digimon Physiology page, in the Low Tier section, it just links to Data Manipulation, implying all Digimon can use everything in that back when that's incorrect. It should be "Data Manipulation (Hacking)"
  • Why does the Digimental of Fate/Miracles give "Enhanced Holy Power"? Is the assumption that every Digimon has "Data Manipulation - Holy Power"? This also applies to Angel Digimon and Dark Digimon
Technically speaking... they can, as in, Light and Darkness exist in all things, all beings have them to some degree... most beings just... don't use them, that is why, for example, Digimon can survive Darkness attacks that usually erase all in sight, unless it is stronger Darkness than their Light, as explained in the Layer section

So like... yeah, all Digimon have Light and Darkness... most usually don't use them, Virus Busters/Vaccine attribute Digimon are the ones that use it most to fight of evil for example

  • Since the Data Manipulation page includes layers already, adding "Enhanced" doesn't make sense. The bare minimum layers for that level (Ultimate [10 layers] / Mega [13 Layers]) should be listed at every stage in my view
This makes sense to me, will do so

  • Undead Digimon's "Enhanced Data Absorption" should clarify, since right now the page would assume they can absorb Data from the Idea section. It should clarify that it's referring to Hacking Data or spelling out that I can now impact data in the Idea section
Yeah... will do that
 
Don't forget Seraphimon.

Huanglongmerchantmon too.

Although Zeedpotentialmon is one of (if not, the biggest) jobber in this franchise for losing to kids and Rookies/Child level.

Jokes aside, do we need more votes or.....?
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This one shows that they can spread their Data in each of their stats to determine how high each of them are, so yes they can spread/"channel their energy equally into all aspects of their stats", as that's what the Strength Calibrator is for
Alright. I would probably rewrite the first paragraph, then from this
To this:
To give an overall better perspective of why we're treating Data as a UES
What do you mean by this? I thought the statements of Data/Light and Darkness affecting all other world's in existence in the other scans of that sections would have covered that?
There's a difference between affecting the totality of existence, which would give you 9-D, and every single usage of Data manipulation giving you 9-D. Unless you can show that every Digital Realm should be Ninth Dimensional, the 9-D potency would only start whenever Digimon are able to affect the entire digital world.

Like to use an easier example, say you have a 5-D Cosmology filled with 4-D universes. You can control and change information on a small scale in that single universe. Would you give that character 5-D potency? Usually no, unless you can show that the universes themselves are 5-D, that the ability works on the cosmological level, or that the ability works by manipulating all spatial axis available in that cosmology.

What you're suggesting is that every instance of Data manipulation, even from Baby/In-Training I Digimon, should be manipulating the 9 Spatial Axis of the Digiworld Kernal, which isn't correct from my reading.
Technically speaking... they can, as in, Light and Darkness exist in all things, all beings have them to some degree
Existing in Digimon doesn't equal "Can use them" though. Like, they're fundamental forces, sure, but can every Digimon use the Idea section? Because that's what the Angel and Dark Digimon sections are implying when they say "Enhanced Dark/Holy Power", since it means that any Digimon would normally be able to use all aspects of both powers normally.
 
@Qawsedf234 @Omegabronic Shouldn't the non-physical interaction section in general Digimon abilities also include NEP type 1? Because of the Dark Area Digimon? I know NEP type 2 is included because of Negamon.
Lmao. That image is just amazing.

And yeah, Zeed is never escaping the fraud alert.
What you're suggesting is that every instance of Data manipulation, even from Baby/In-Training I Digimon, should be manipulating the 9 Spatial Axis of the Digiworld Kernal, which isn't correct from my reading.
You're mistaken. The Digimon cosmology rn currently is 4HBs being 9D while Kernel is at 10D.
 
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Alright. I would probably rewrite the first paragraph, then from this

To this:

To give an overall better perspective of why we're treating Data as a UES
Sure, that works better

There's a difference between affecting the totality of existence, which would give you 9-D, and every single usage of Data manipulation giving you 9-D. Unless you can show that every Digital Realm should be Ninth Dimensional, the 9-D potency would only start whenever Digimon are able to affect the entire digital world.

Like to use an easier example, say you have a 5-D Cosmology filled with 4-D universes. You can control and change information on a small scale in that single universe. Would you give that character 5-D potency? Usually no, unless you can show that the universes themselves are 5-D, that the ability works on the cosmological level, or that the ability works by manipulating all spatial axis available in that cosmology.

What you're suggesting is that every instance of Data manipulation, even from Baby/In-Training I Digimon, should be manipulating the 9 Spatial Axis of the Digiworld Kernal, which isn't correct from my reading.
I see why the scrutiny, but for that is why this Album:

Is here, the Quantum Sea is the Primordial World from which all others spawned from, and infect Digimon, that being Digimon made to go berserk due to an distortion in their Data, are causing Havok, and when they distort Data more and more, it eventually cause problems for the Quantum Sea, which would end up destroying/affecting everything, the Digital World, so other "weaker" Digimon manipulating/distorting Data can indeed affect the 9 Spatial Axis, that is why i believe it would qualify under these parameters

Now if you still disagree, could you at least agree that at a minimal it would be 5-D? As Digimon are made of Data, and are 5 Dimensional beings, at least that would be as low as it could get and still be fair imo

Existing in Digimon doesn't equal "Can use them" though. Like, they're fundamental forces, sure, but can every Digimon use the Idea section? Because that's what the Angel and Dark Digimon sections are implying when they say "Enhanced Dark/Holy Power", since it means that any Digimon would normally be able to use all aspects of both powers normally.
I see... well, most of it comes from how Perception molds what a Digimon can or can't do... technically all of them "can" but due to them not knowing they can... they don't... like, the resistances would be there, but maybe not the abilities... so i will do as you said and just put a note explaining that, just because all Normal Digimon have them both, they are not assumed to know how to use them without the OP of the VS Match saying they know... i think that solves the problem, cause that is more of an individual trait that can be learned by each Digimon rather than a Physiology thing, and most of our profiles are species profiles after all
 
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