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Doctor Strange (Endgame) VS Scarlet Witch (EndGame)

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If she was determined to kill, why did she run? Why did she pussy out immediately? Despite having fought multiple times and against the Avengers multiple times. But the fodder robots spook her?
 
Oblivion Of The Endless said:
Wanda FRA

How many votes do we have btw?
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After seeing the reasons for scarlet witch winning, I now vote scarlet witch because strange is too slow to use the mirror dimension or the time stone.

8 for scarlet witch (Oblivion of the Endless,Oblivion Lightning,The pen or the sword,Mr Common Sense,Schnee one,Anonymous Blank,Dzhindzholia,me)

5 strange (kidkinsney,Ionlioslite,Peter "Quicksilver" Maximoff, Ayewale,The Archdemon)

1 inconclusive (Zark 2099)

So, is this under inconclusive or does the grace period start
 
Honestly, I think Strange has a better chance here. Wanda isn't versatile enough with her flight that she'd be able to dodge one of Strange's portals, and always leads off with energy blasts which Strange can dodge/block/BFR with his skill advantage. Not to mention that Strange has other, less used options. Mirror Dimension was mentioned above (which would work), but there's also Strange's elemental based attack he used on a group of outriders which Wanda wouldn't be able to avoid. There's also the fact that Strange watched Scarlet Witch fight up to millions of times, so he should have a lot of prior knowledge on her, whereas I don't believe SW ever met Strange prior to the final endgame fight.
 
I'm Blue daba dee daba die said:
Oblivion Of The Endless said:
Wanda FRA

How many votes do we have btw?
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After seeing the reasons for scarlet witch winning, I now vote scarlet witch because strange is too slow to use the mirror dimension or the time stone.
8 for scarlet witch (Oblivion of the Endless, Oblivion Lightning, The pen or the sword, Mr Common Sense, Schnee one, Anonymous Blank, Dzhindzholia, me)

7 strange (kidkinsney, Ionlioslite, Peter "Quicksilver" Maximoff, Ayewale, The Archdemon, TheDarkSide857, Ciruno Fortes)

1 inconclusive (Zark 2099)

So, is this under inconclusive or does the grace period start
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Fixed.
 
AnonymousBlank said:
Dear lord I need to spell it out more than I already have.

  • Wanda uses her TK for offense and defense. Agreed? (Rhetorical question)
  • Her TK is able to harm Thanos with ease and even damage/break his sword which goes head to head with Stormbreaker which one shots him.
  • Sling rings can't damage Thanos
  • Logic dictates that I shouldn't have to be explaining this step by step like you are a toddler that his sling ring portals closing cannot break through her TK barriers
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Well, so do I apparently.

Stormbreaker was FAAAAAAAAAAAAAR weaker in Endgame by the time her TK "harmed" Thanos with ease(and, heck, I'm even being generous and giving you the benefit of the doubt when I said that, it was just his armor that was getting damaged) than in Infinity War where it nearly oneshotted Thanos because Thor became FAAAAAAAAAAAAAR weaker and also fat Lebowski in Endgame, meaning that Thanos's sword is vastly weaker than Infinity War Stormbreaker. Heck, he only managed to fight on par with Thanos at all because he had a past version of Mjolnir and was combining its power with that of Stormbreaker.

Logic dictates that his sling ring portals closing ca break through her TK barriers given how he fought on par with a version of Thanos vastly stronger than his Endgame self, but he probably won't use it much, since we see only Wong use it on Cull Obsidian.

AnonymousBlank said:
Ah DarkSide, was just wondering when I would see you in an MCU vs thread again.

4 Stone Thanos (1 which does nothing for his combat potential and 3 that he doesn't even use properly) that Strange already knew the entire fight choreo to? Damn how ever did he do so well? Compared to Wanda low diffing base Thanos who just bodied a stronger Thor, a stronger Iron Man and a stronger Cap and her having no knowlwdge of what he can do besides he a thicc purple boi.

Thays nice AP, please show Thanos ever using it against Strange. Also an Island feat is meant to be impressive for a Small Country character? Reality Stone wasn't going to destroy jack. It was going to convert the 9 Realms into dark matter/cover them in shadows or some shizz.

This AP scaling is also irrelevant when you bother to watch the fights and see Strange countered brute force with hax. Who would have thunk it? And anytime he tried to use force himself, he got bullied. Wanda is using brute force too but unlike Thanos, she ignores distance and squishes his puny human body no diff.

Of course her hax pales, it barely gets used. Good thing it doesn't matter.
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1. Yeah, man, it seems we somehow end up in the same MCU VS thread every time.

2. Thor was FAAAAAAAAAAAAAR weaker than when he nearly oneshotted Thanos because he let himself go, dropped significantly in power, and also was fat Lebowski in Endgame. Buff Infinity War Thor nearly oneshotted Complete Infinity Gauntlet Thanos with Stormbreaker, while in Endgame, not only did Thanos easily catch Stormbreaker and nearly kill Thor with it before Captain America intervened, but Thor fought on par with Thanos with Mjolnir's power COMBINED with Stormbreaker's. Meanwhile, Captain America doesn't get any stronger throughout the movies. And Wanda having no knowlwdge of what he can do? Please, he's just a guy in armor with a helicopter-bladed sword. A large purple Titan, sure, but that's all base Thanos is. She hasn't fought someone who's a BEAST with hax like Doctor Strange, so his unpredictability may give him an advantage over Wanda.

3. How about when Thanos shattered Titan's moon and dragged all the pieces at Doctor Strange and friends?

4. No, she was not crushing his body. It was just his armor getting damaged, nothing else. If not, how was he able to order Corvus Glaive to call an airstrike? Especially loud enough to carry over all the crazy fighting going on?

5. No, Dr. Strange creates two Sling Rings and slits her wrists.
 
Oh yeah, and Wanda never TK crushed Ultron. She merely TK Tore out his heart after he was already melted by Vision's beam + Thor's lightning + Iron Man's repulsor blasts, beaten up by the Hulk, and thrown out of the Quinjet to fall a long distance. Meanwhile, Dr. Strange likely doesn't consider Ultron a threat as stated on his official profile, and that was Pre-Infinity War Strange.
 
Schnee One said:
Strange is much weaker then Ultron physically
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Maybe, but his sheer hax is too unpredictable for Ultron. Given that he fought on par with Thanos with 4 IS, and Strange's sheer hax dwarfs Ultron's, if he was in Age of Ultron he could have beaten Ultron all on his own.
 
So can this version of Scarket witch

Even Scarket Witch in base on her file is stronger then Ultron
 
Schnee One said:
So can this version of Scarket witch
Even Scarket Witch in base on her file is stronger then Ultron
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She only casually ripped out Ultron's heart after Ultron was already weakened from being melted by Vision's beam + Thor's lightning + Iron Man's repulsor blasts, beaten up by the Hulk, and thrown out of the Quinjet to fall a long distance. Due to his beastly hax, Dr. Strange could probably defeat healthy Ultimate Ultron all on his own.
 
Schnee One said:
Except Scarket Witch, even by Her own page explicitly states by feats she's stronger then pre infinity war Doctor Strange (Marvel Cinematic Universe)
We're not even discussing these versions though, so this isn't relevant
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Pre-Infinity War Doctor Strange probably could have accomplished all the feats that Wanda accomplished. He, via sheer hax alone, beats both Ultron and Vision.

You're right, though, this isn't relevant.
 
>EG Thor is weaker than IW Thor

I dunno about that one chief. We got WoG statements that put Thor as of the final fight as stronger than he has ever been. It also contradicts nothing considering Thanos was bloodlusted rather than casual, wasn't sneak attacked, was prepared for the fight. We also know he wasn't using a stronger than nornal beam considering he showed no strain when firing it despite "lesser" blasts requiring it.
 
Shouldn't EG Thor be weaker than IW Thor, though? There's nothing suggesting he's stronger apart from the fact that he fought a (presumably far less experienced) Thanos with Tony Stark and Captain America w/ Mjolnir. The two of them are very strong on their own.
 
4-5 years in Thanos' millennia long life makes him far more experienced? WoG says he is at his strongest by the final fight and nothing suggests he is weaker. A stronger Tony got oneshot by Thor and Cap didn't get Mjolnir until after Thor lost so it was basically him vs Thanos for most of the fight. He did far better than Mk 85 Tony which makes no sense if Thanos is even weaker than he was on Titan when Mk 50 Tony was landing entire combos on 2019 Thanos. Ngl, Tony seriously sucks in EG.
 
Strange FRA. He can attack her in astral plane, open portals to throw stuff at her, teleport her to a hostile place (BFR). He's simply too versatile. To what extent Wanda can affect him is debatable. Strange himself can keep up with Thanos with 4 infinity stones which is highly impressive imo. If he's allowed to use the time stone then it's a stomp
 
Strange never attacks in Astral Plane or attack through portals ever....

We also explicitly said he has no time stone
 
AnonymousBlank said:
>EG Thor is weaker than IW Thor
I dunno about that one chief. We got WoG statements that put Thor as of the final fight as stronger than he has ever been. It also contradicts nothing considering Thanos was bloodlusted rather than casual, wasn't sneak attacked, was prepared for the fight. We also know he wasn't using a stronger than nornal beam considering he showed no strain when firing it despite "lesser" blasts requiring it.

4-5 years in Thanos' millennia long life makes him far more experienced? WoG says he is at his strongest by the final fight and nothing suggests he is weaker. A stronger Tony got oneshot by Thor and Cap didn't get Mjolnir until after Thor lost so it was basically him vs Thanos for most of the fight. He did far better than Mk 85 Tony which makes no sense if Thanos is even weaker than he was on Titan when Mk 50 Tony was landing entire combos on 2019 Thanos. Ngl, Tony seriously sucks in EG.
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1. If EG Thor is stronger than IW Thor, then why do we see EG Thor combining Stormbreaker's power with Mjolnir's to even fight on par with base Thanos, and even then needing Iron Man's and Captain America's help, when IW Thor, ALL ON HIS OWN, nearly oneshot Complete Infinity Gauntlet Thanos with just Stormbreaker alone?

2. How about 2018 Thanos, wearing nothing but a vest, pants, and boots, beating up Mk 50 Iron Man with his bare hands for the overwheming majority of their battle, while 2014 Thanos needed his golden armor and his helicopter sword that functioned like a boomerang? How about 2018 Thanos easily shattering a paticular someone's Vibranium forehead to get the Mind Stone with his bare hands while 2014 Thanos needed his helicopter sword to chip off pieces of Captain America's Vibranium shield one by one? How about 2018 Thanos demolishing most of the Avengers with complete ease, while 2014 Thanos with all his armor and sword was held back by the likes of only three Avengers: Pepper Potts, Shuri, and Hope Van Dyne? Ever heard of narrative flow? Otherwise we might as well put in Black Adam getting his butt handed to him by Black Canary or Black Panther putting Silver Surfer in a headlock.

If anything, all of this proves WoG wrong. We shouldn't trust in WoG's word unless given solid reason to. People are too trusting.
 
Schnee One said:
His sheer hax, includes exactly 2 hax. that's literally it.
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Hmmmm.

Doctor Strange: Superhuman Physical Characteristics (Formerly Peak Human Physical Characteristics), Genius Intelligence, Magic Mastery, Energy Manipulation, Weapon Mastery, Energy Projection, Barrier Creation, Reality Warping, Limited Spatial Manipulation, Astral Projection, Limited Soul Manipulation (Can harm and kill souls when in astral form, but the latter is only when provided with enough energy from outside), BFR (Can trap people in the Mirror dimension, a parallel dimension that mirrors the real world. Also threw Loki into a portal and made him keep falling through dimensions for half an hour), Photographic Memory, Flight with the Cloak of Levitation, Portal Creation and Interdimensional Travel with a Sling Ring, Time Stop, Duplication, Elemental Manipulation (Stopped the windstorm caused by Maw's Q-ship. Created a water tornado. Split open the ground and made it swallow Thanos' soldiers), Teleportation (Capable of effortlessly teleporting both himself and those around him), Matter Manipulation & Transmutation (Transformed a teacup into a large glass of beer, and refilled the drink after Thor emptied it. Transformed a "Black Hole" into a group of butterflies), Resistance to Time Stop

Scarlet Witch: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Energy Manipulation (Psionic Powers), Waves and Shields, Telekinesis, Pseudo-Flight (via Levitation, Maximoff was able to use this power to move through the air and simulate flight, in order to hover and safely float back to the ground. The use of this power manifests as a blast of psionic energy expelled from her hands onto the ground to propel herself up in the air), Telepathy, Mind Manipulation, Fear Manipulation

Not helping your case here, Weiss Schnee One.
 
Literally not the reference his name is making (Its not a rwby reference) but whatever, couldn't that narrative inconsistency be mostly explained by the fact thanos is the same strength to slightly stronger? (Also better equipped) and all the characters have gotten stronger due to training/experience/better tech?
 
<Superhuman physical characteristics

<Hax

Labelling an entire PaA section while giving zero consideration for Character or how applicable it is, is utterly ridiculous. Strange has two noteworthy hax in this key he actually uses.

Who's Weiss?
 
Schnee One said:
<Superhuman physical characteristics
<Hax

Labelling an entire PaA section while giving zero consideration for Character or how applicable it is, is utterly ridiculous. Strange has two noteworthy hax in this key he actually uses.

Who's Weiss?
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But still, we can't ignore those entirely. It's like saying that someone who's a beast with hax, like MCU Dr. Strange, but using it is out of character would lose to a haxless, basic being relying on pure strength alone, like the 2010 Clash of the Titans Kraken.

You seriously haven't heard of RWBY?
 
The pen or the sword said:
Literally not the reference his name is making (Its not a rwby reference) but whatever, couldn't that narrative inconsistency be mostly explained by the fact thanos is the same strength to slightly stronger? (Also better equipped) and all the characters have gotten stronger due to training/experience/better tech?
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Well, maybe Ms. Potts, but seeing as how Shuri and Ms. Van Dyne were defeated by Erik Killmonger and Ava Starr who would both get destroyed by Thanos, and they were victims of the Snap for 5 years, it's safe to say that they're the same strength as they were in Infinity War/Black Panther/Ant-Man and the Wasp.
 
But still, we can't ignore those entirely. It's like saying that someone who's a beast with hax, like MCU Dr. Strange, but using it is out of character would lose to a haxless, basic being relying on pure strength alone, like the 2010 Clash of the Titans Kraken.

You seriously haven't heard of RWBY?

I can actually, what's combat applicable and whats in character are highly important
 
@DarkSide

1.1. Dude ..... you seem to be forgetting that a serious base Thanos dominated Hulk with no Stones, dominated awakened Thor with no Stones, and did better against Iron Man with his bare hands while casual (better than he did with the Power Stone. Fat Thor is shown to keep up with base Thanos while base Cap is rightfully fodder and Mk 85 Tony gets one shot. This supposed "help" Thor had is absolutely worthless.

1.2. Sigh you need to prove the 6 Stone beam is impressive. You don't just say "doh I think its stronger/impressive". You have to quantify it or it scales to Thor, not the other way around. Look at the evidence, every AP feat he uses them for is weaker than he is physically so why would we assume its any stronger than he is? Actually, screw it. I'll steelman the IG beam being universal because it doesn't matter since we have multiple writer and director statements that Stormbreaker hard counters the IG so its normal potency is up in the air beyond Thanos dura being nothing to it.

2.1. Lol at 2014 needing anything to bully Tony. You must have selective memory as Tony was one shot by Mjolnir (Thanos had nothing to do with it beyond holding him in the way), Thor went 1v1 with Thanos longer than the other two were in the fight pre worthy moment, Cap with the power of Thor went 1v1 with Thanos for just as long. Would you look at that? Power of Thor which got stomped by IW consistently 1v1s base Thanos who actually takes things seriously.

2.2. Ah yes, Vision's fodder self. Have you seen our profiles by any chance? He is 7-A. Thanos is Low 6-B. Cap's shield is Low 6-B and is also a solid piece of vibranium, not Vision's fragile af electronics.

2.3. Beating the Avengers? Gimme a break. The Avengers in Wakanda were ass, the Avengers on Titan were ass bar Strange (but he had the whole story memorized), the Asgardian forces were ass. Literally everyone in IW was complete and utter fodder to Thanos aside from the guy who chose to die and the guy who hard countered Thanos fancy new weapon that he likes to use despite sucking with it.

2.4. You realise the Hope, Pepper and Shuri thing is PIS right? That right there is narrative flow. The Avengers finally assembled so everyone (the audience) is on a high, they (the writers, directors etc) aren't going to immediately get rid of that by being accurate with power levels where the vast majority of the good guys can't do a thing to Thanos. Look at how everyone else gets bodied soon after they have a little limelight. Now compare this to before Falcon drops his one liner.

  • Thanos has rolled up on them
  • Trashed their base
  • Fights their strongest (except Hulk cuz why have that rematch)
  • Beats everyone with a bit of difficulty
  • Beams down his army to pour salt in the wound
  • Has a little stare down with Cap.
This is rock bottom for our heroes, the contrast between Cap as the last man standing vs the never ending army is supposed to be despair inducing. It hammers home the fact that this was everyone they had, that they were down people because just like last time this face off happened, they got their asses handed to them .... and yet Fat Thor and Worthy Cap still do better against Thanos than everyone else prior despite the narrative going against them. I don't even know what you are trying to argue with this narrative flow crap.
 
we dont know if he dominated an awakened thor, given the fact that valkrie and korg were gone hulk launched a sneak attack and loki was untouched, it can be said that the black order and thanos jumped him

also how does stormbreaker hard counter the ig beam the directors have been known to exagerate before
 
yes it was lol now that the top 4 are one (thor beat carol, strange and wanda incon) what should we do
 
Either MCU Black Widow vs Composite Human or MCU Hawkeye vs Shrek.

Ok now the last one is too good to refuse.

Also, we also need to vote on a thread debating if Po from KFP or MCU Black Panther would win
 
by composite human u mean like john cena mike tyson lebron and everybody mixed into one? id still go widow cuz shes a damn assasain

and shrek the green guy?????
 
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