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DOOM Discussion Thread

The idea that Slayer “powers his guns up with his brain” is also a fan misinterpretation and not actually present in any of the lore or games.

The only way he can power up is with quad damage or berserk, temporary powerups.

Slayer also requires oxygen, canonised in dark ages. That is a potential weakness for his profile.
It's not really a misinterpretation. With the recent dark ages Livestream, Hugo has stated that a visual motif that the slayer is using his special ability is the slayer symbol. The berserk power up not only shows up when the slayer finally unlocks his powers but it has the mark of the slayer. The berserk power up in the dark ages outright buffs everything in the Slayers arsenal and even gives him infinite ammo. Then there's the fact Hugo states he can "Weaponize his rage." And implies he uses his special ability to match Azorak in power during the final boss fight.
 
slayer was canonically defeated by a building falling on him in the lore, this is also ignored. I imagine if he had infinite lifting strength he would’ve just lifted the Temple up, you can’t take a subjective, in universe written codex as a piece of fact. The Dreadmace is cosmic and defies logic, so why is it assumed Slayer is lifting its weight and not that it can simply support itself and allow itself to be lifted regardless of weight?
And it didn't even damage him, merely trapped him. And it was due to ritual sealing of some sort iirc, it's not a regular building for sure though.
The praetor armour was never hit with a megakelvin laser, this is a misinterpretation of the 2016 codex fans stated.
UAC literally says they tested the armor and attempted everything their technological capabilities. Implying if they had nukes, they even dropped those. But the Megakelvin laser is the biggest known highlight.
Slayer was killed by his suit’s bomb exploding which couldn’t even harm the Old Ones who can be killed by the building level Atlan which would be destroyed by the Hebeth Core explosion which was city level which Slayer had to be rescued from, along with the falling city in dark ages he was also emergency rescued from.

There are so many anti feats in this series and lore painting him as consistently below planetary but I guess it’s fine if some few hyperbolic texts are lied about because it’s the slayer. It’s very cool to wank him.
I do not even know where you got that information, and the 2nd paragraph is a rude accusation to say to various people who worked hard here. Also, Atlan's profile is heavily outdated as is Titan's. We actually have rules now to check every profile before applying revisions instead of solo focusing on one. But Titans are getting upgraded to High 3-A and may effect other profiles by extension. And other anti-feats could be interpreted as game mechanics.

We also have discussion rules regarding the Tier 1 DOOM ratings iirc.
 
If I remember correctly hugo gets cut off like halfway through answering and when he comes back, he says Davoth is all powerful. Not to mention Davoth is still very clearly a threat to all of reality and hell being an absolute extension of his power as revealed by Hugo, would make him above planet level.

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Also, Urdak is outright called a Higher Dimension in canon. Hell is superior to Urdak as stated by the UAC and Urdak Lore.
Not really, he answers in a joking way to the other guy’s joke. But “I don’t know if he can destroy all of earth if he WANTED to” is pretty clear cut, and is consistent with ACTUAL lore such as Doomslayer being defeated by a temple.

He’s a ‘threat’ to reality because he can, overtime, corrupt it via hax. He’s not destroying it anytime soon in any way that scales to his stats. Hell is an extension of his power was just a hint at the fact if he dies, his demons outside of hell die with him.

It’s a “higher dimension” in the way that it’s literally just higher on the pecking order, it’s not dimensionally higher than 3D, especially since NORMAL HUMANS can go into Hell and survive.
 
And it didn't even damage him, merely trapped him. And it was due to ritual sealing of some sort iirc, it's not a regular building for sure though.

UAC literally says they tested the armor and attempted everything their technological capabilities. Implying if they had nukes, they even dropped those. But the Megakelvin laser is the biggest known highlight.

I do not even know where you got that information, and the 2nd paragraph is a rude accusation to say to various people who worked hard here. Also, Atlan's profile is heavily outdated as is Titan's. We actually have rules now to check every profile before applying revisions instead of solo focusing on one. But Titans are getting upgraded to High 3-A and may effect other profiles by extension. And other anti-feats could be interpreted as game mechanics.

We also have discussion rules regarding the Tier 1 DOOM ratings iirc.
1. Prove it didn’t damage him. The word used was “DEFEATED” which is pretty blatant. He was defeated by a building. The sealing ritual was never mentioned during the temple defeat and is a fan creation.
2. No.

“Additional relics were found in the tomb alongside the Doom Marine. Some incantation tablets, and an ancient combat suit which was given a name: the 'Praetor Suit'. When found, it was encased in an inscribed stone tomb. The suit was extracted from the rock, cleaned, and subjected to numerous tolerance tests, and found to be almost impervious to any damage. It appeared to have some mechanical function as well - small receptors on the gloves and chest plate that attracted Argent plasma and dissipated it through capillary tubes in the substructure. Markings on the armor were also consistent with images of a man (or humanoid) seen in several tablets and stones found on other expeditions. The same markings were also noted on the Helix Stone.

Despite it being clear that the suit can be activated in some way, no method has been found to do it. It appears to be missing a component, likely the Doom Marine himself.”

There is NO statement or implication they used anything close to nukes or the laser. It was subjected to unknown “tolerance tests” which, IN CONTEXT, likely refers to low grade tests such as hammers and maybe bullets. Why would scientists try NUKE a valuable artefact. Why would Samuel even allow that. It’s a made up fancanon that doesn’t hold up under scrutiny.

3. What information?

Scaling titans to 3-A is absurd when they can be beaten and killed by regular sentinel Atlans and Turrets. Novik literally one shots one.

The plot of the game isn’t game mechanics. The literal canon games aren’t non-canon.
 
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It's not really a misinterpretation. With the recent dark ages Livestream, Hugo has stated that a visual motif that the slayer is using his special ability is the slayer symbol. The berserk power up not only shows up when the slayer finally unlocks his powers but it has the mark of the slayer. The berserk power up in the dark ages outright buffs everything in the Slayers arsenal and even gives him infinite ammo. Then there's the fact Hugo states he can "Weaponize his rage." And implies he uses his special ability to match Azorak in power during the final boss fight.
Link.

And, again, it’s temporary and clearly represented as a special deal.
 
Hugo being indecisive doesn't really prove the point your trying to make. taking time for him to destroy the cosmology doesn't matter considering there's what hell and Urdak did. It's outright stated they created a new multiverse that was collapsing in on itself. Considering hell is just a mere extension of the dark lords power, The Dark Lords tier isn't going to change. Hell and Urdak Created and destroyed a multiverse with countless universes in mere moments.

Urdak and Hell are Higher Dimensions in the literal sense and I believe by the wikis Guidelines. Not only are they referred to as Higher Planes consistently but they effect the cosmology in its entirety in a similar fashion.
 
So don’t listen to Hugo when it can be used to downplay Slayer to his actual consistent ingame feats and ingame lore because hyperbolic flowery cosmology language takes precedent. Got it.

Has Davoth EVER balled Hell into a ball and thrown it at someone? Has he ever attacked using Hell?? No. He attacks with guns and swords, same as the slayer. You can’t scale him to an entire realm which he doesn’t use to attack or even scale to, especially when he was defeated by a guy who was defeated by a falling building and heavily implied to die to two different below planetary feats in dark ages, and DID die to a below planetary feat in dark ages.
 
Link.

And, again, it’s temporary and clearly represented as a special deal.

1:49:00 to 1:50:00

It's clearly not a special deal. The slayer after the divinity Machine always had this power, he just didn't know how to utilize it properly up until the end of the game.
 

1:49:00 to 1:50:00

It's clearly not a special deal. The slayer after the divinity Machine always had this power, he just didn't know how to utilize it properly up until the end of the game.

Nothing he says here confirms that he literally juices his guns up with his power, he just gets he gets stronger through his rage, by harnessing it. This is no different from any anime character getting stronger with a rage boost like Guts, Deku, Goku, etc etc, even NORMAL HUMANS in real life get stronger by anger. He gets ‘stronger’ and fights better and becomes more brutal, but he doesnt literally dwarf his power a thousand times over and use his magic brain to fire a shotgun bolt that vaporises a Titan.

You are taking SOME of what Hugo says, twisting it, then pretending he’s saying something else.
 
So don’t listen to Hugo when it can be used to downplay Slayer to his actual consistent ingame feats and ingame lore because hyperbolic flowery cosmology language takes precedent. Got it.

Has Davoth EVER balled Hell into a ball and thrown it at someone? Has he ever attacked using Hell?? No. He attacks with guns and swords, same as the slayer. You can’t scale him to an entire realm which he doesn’t use to attack or even scale to, especially when he was defeated by a guy who was defeated by a falling building and heavily implied to die to two different below planetary feats in dark ages, and DID die to a below planetary feat in dark ages.
No, there's a lot of context your ignoring that's stated in game and by Hugo. Davoth is the sole reason why hell is the way it is. Davoth's power has to be comparable to hell to make it this Massive Multiversal destroying dimension. Jekkad did not become hell on its own, Davoth did that.

Also you keep bringing up the Bomb in the slayers chest, like the Maykrs aren't capable of creating technology that can lock away entire higher dimensions or shift the position of dimensions as well.
 
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Nothing he says here confirms that he literally juices his guns up with his power, he just gets he gets stronger through his rage, by harnessing it. This is no different from any anime character getting stronger with a rage boost like Guts, Deku, Goku, etc etc, even NORMAL HUMANS in real life get stronger by anger. He gets ‘stronger’ and fights better and becomes more brutal, but he doesnt literally dwarf his power a thousand times over and use his magic brain to fire a shotgun bolt that vaporises a Titan.

You are taking SOME of what Hugo says, twisting it, then pretending he’s saying something else.
Oh, I didn't send the second video link. My bad, let me grab that.
 
No, there's a lot of context your ignoring that's stated in game and by Hugo. Davoth is the sole reason why hell is the way it is. Davoth's power has to be comparable to hell to make it this Massive Multiversal destroying dimension. Jekkad did not become hell on its own, Davoth did that.

Also you keep being up the Bomb in the slayers chest, like the Maykrs aren't capable of creating technology that can lock away entire higher dimensions or shift the position of dimensions as well.
He corrupted it via hax. He didn’t punch it to evil.

The same bomb did zero damage to the three nearby Old Ones, which can be ripped apart by an Atlan.
 
Ok, the Second link I had is the same clip just shortened and touching upon what Hugo said. So there's no point in sending that.

What Hugo said was the slayers symbol is a visual motif they use. Hugo also outright stated that his Rage is in fact the slayers special power. When the slayer symbol appears, he's getting in touch with his rage. Hugo also explains the slayer symbol represents his Rage. I'm not twisting any of what he's saying. He then says at the end of there second act when they speak the classic "They are rage" lines, his power manifests more. We see the slayer symbol before he wakes up and then we see it again on the Berserk Power Up. Considering what berserk does and what Hugo just said, Yes the slayer can empower his weapons and make them stronger the angrier he gets.

It being a Hax still scales Davoth to his current tier.

Did we see the same clip? I'm pretty the three olds ones were immediately no diffed by the bombs. Like they fell over and there forcefield was disabled pretty quickly.
 
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1. Prove it didn’t damage him.
That's asking me to prove a negative.
The word used was “DEFEATED” which is pretty blatant. He was defeated by a building. The sealing ritual was never mentioned during the temple defeat and is a fan creation.
That only proves he was trapped, not damaged in any way, shape or form. Also, it shouldn't be assumed it was made of concrete; it's made out of an Urdak/Jekkad native substance. Still Dreadmace being "Infinitely dense" is literally spelled out to us. And for all we know, is not the only thing that is.
“Additional relics were found in the tomb alongside the Doom Marine. Some incantation tablets, and an ancient combat suit which was given a name: the 'Praetor Suit'. When found, it was encased in an inscribed stone tomb. The suit was extracted from the rock, cleaned, and subjected to numerous tolerance tests, and found to be almost impervious to any damage. It appeared to have some mechanical function as well - small receptors on the gloves and chest plate that attracted Argent plasma and dissipated it through capillary tubes in the substructure. Markings on the armor were also consistent with images of a man (or humanoid) seen in several tablets and stones found on other expeditions. The same markings were also noted on the Helix Stone.

Despite it being clear that the suit can be activated in some way, no method has been found to do it. It appears to be missing a component, likely the Doom Marine himself.”
The word "Impervious" is still spelled to us. Also, you do realize Megakelvin lasers are used for industrial tests and that Megakelvin plasma cutters exist IRL. Nuke statement was hypothetical, but either way, 0 reason for BFG or Praeter Armor to be anything below it.
Why would Samuel even allow that. It’s a made up fancanon that doesn’t hold up under scrutiny.
Samuel is an upperdimensional god who is well aware of upper dimensional powers.
Scaling titans to 3-A is absurd when they can be beaten and killed by regular sentinel Atlans and Turrets. Novik literally one shots one.

The plot of the game isn’t game mechanics. The literal canon games aren’t non-canon.
Those are empowered by purified Argent Energy that comes from Urdak. AKA, the 6th dimension. And are still weaker than the Makyr gods of Urdak yes, but a lot of enemies in Eternal now have contest for a High 3-A upgrade scaling from Dreadmace.

And yeah, when it comes to destroying structures High 3-A and above, timeframe does not matter. Destroying a 2-A minimum sized multiverse within a finite amount of time will Always be 2-A. And with Jekkad/Urdak involved, it is 1-C.
 
I think this Atomic person may be smoking something, but I would like to say I inherently disagree with Urdak being a higher dimension. It's one of the universes in the timelines, they just separate themselves from everybody else using their dimension manipulating tech.
 
I think this Atomic person may be smoking something, but I would like to say I inherently disagree with Urdak being a higher dimension. It's one of the universes in the timelines, they just separate themselves from everybody else using their dimension manipulating tech.
It's not though?
There's no evidence of this, The earthly realms are Vega's creation which houses the multiverse. Urdak was created by Davoth to help find Immortality for his people and to traverse the multiverse.
 
It's not though?
There's no evidence of this, The earthly realms are Vega's creation which houses the multiverse. Urdak was created by Davoth to help find Immortality for his people and to traverse the multiverse.
The Maykrs (the people who live in Urdak) are in every single timeline, and all get destroyed by The Slayer in every single timeline. This is the driving reason that the Kahn Maykr fears and wants to get rid of the Slayer, literally one of the driving plotpoints of DOOM: Eternal.
 
The Slayer's Weapon Empowerment was, in fact, further cemented with Dark Ages.
A character needing to breathe doesn't qualify as a weakness. Weaknesses are based on their severity compared to those of the average human.

For instance, yes, someone like Goku needs air, but that doesn't qualify as a weakness compared to normal humans. Humans can be hurt by fire, but it's especially damaging to an Ice-type Pokémon.
 
The Maykrs (the people who live in Urdak) are in every single timeline, and all get destroyed by The Slayer in every single timeline. This is the driving reason that the Kahn Maykr fears and wants to get rid of the Slayer, literally one of the driving plotpoints of DOOM: Eternal.
There's someone more qualified then me to explain this but I'll try my best. Theres only one hell and no copies of that Dimension. Urdak is often referred to as being similar to hell in structure and status. So it's not that they see there world being destroyed in every timeline, it's that there's nothing they can change in the multiverse to stop the slayer from rising.
 
There's someone more qualified then me to explain this but I'll try my best. Theres only one hell and no copies of that Dimension. Urdak is often referred to as being similar to hell in structure and status. So it's not that they see there world being destroyed in every timeline, it's that there's nothing they can change in the multiverse to stop the slayer from rising.
It's VERY explicit that the Kahn Maykr was using the Divinity Machine to view all infinite timelines, and the only thing constant among them was The Slayer destroying The Maykrs.

This is an undeniable fact. Anyone who ignores this is scaling DOOM inaccurately. Urdak is only "similar" to Hell in status because it's Holy, and Hell is Unholy. It is clearly and explicitly part of the Multiverse.

Additionally, The Night Sentinels use their technology to travel to Hell in TAG to wage war with the demons. Arguing Urdak is higher dimensional because it is inaccessible falls apart, when you realize Hell should be inaccessible by that logic, yet it is not.

I know the DOOM lore. I was one of the people that pushed for 2-A originally, along with Gews. I am his brother, after all. I'd say I'm rather qualified, as we did most of that scaling together.
 
Except it doesn't say that Urdak is being destroyed in every timeline though. Only that the prophesize destroyer is unchanged by the endless variable within the multiverse. He is the one constant and just so happens to be the person that would destroy Urdak.

I'm not arguing Urdak has its status due to its inaccessibility. There's still the fact that Hell and Urdak interacting with one another created a multiverse, Then Stuff like Urdak and Hell being connected to every dimension along with the in-game dialog that refers to Urdak as a Higher dimension/Reality is evidence of Urdak being a higher dimension.

When I was referring to qualifications, I meant the ability to explain the point being presented. I recognize the fact I'm terrible at articulating my words or getting my point across. That's a fault on my end and has nothing to do with your knowledge on Doom. I apologize if what I said came off that way but like I said, I'm bad at explaining things.
 
Except it doesn't say that Urdak is being destroyed in every timeline though. Only that the prophesize destroyer is unchanged by the endless variable within the multiverse. He is the one constant and just so happens to be the person that would destroy Urdak.
Who is arguing that Urdak is being destroyed in every timeline? Who is arguing that the Slayer is going to destroy Urdak? I don't think I should respond to anything else, because my point is not being understood.

The statement is specifically that The Slayer will wipe out The Maykrs in every timeline. Meaning, Urdak has to exist in every timeline, as that's where The Maykrs live.

There may be statements that imply Urdak has some kind of superiority over the Multiverse, but the plot only functions if it does not. The Kahn Maykr wants to get rid of The Slayer because she knows he wipes them out in every timeline.
 
Who is arguing that Urdak is being destroyed in every timeline? Who is arguing that the Slayer is going to destroy Urdak? I don't think I should respond to anything else, because my point is not being understood.

The statement is specifically that The Slayer will wipe out The Maykrs in every timeline. Meaning, Urdak has to exist in every timeline, as that's where The Maykrs live.
The tainted Prophecy makes it clear the God-Mind was searching all of the multiverse to FIND the slayer through out the timelines so he can be intercepted. There's no mention of Urdak being destroyed in multiple timelines only the prophesized destroyer that would destroy urdak always appears. So there's no implications that Urdak exist or has existed within the same dimensional plane as the earthly realm. The dimensional shift tech that enables the static postion it's in is to keep it away from hell specifically.
 
The tainted Prophecy makes it clear the God-Mind was searching all of the multiverse to FIND the slayer through out the timelines so he can be intercepted. There's no mention of Urdak being destroyed in multiple timelines only the prophesized destroyer that would destroy urdak always appears. So there's no implications that Urdak exist or has existed within the same dimensional plane as the earthly realm. The dimensional shift tech that enables the static postion it's in is to keep it away from hell specifically.
I'm just not gonna acknowledge you till you read my posts ngl, absolutely nobody is talking about Urdak getting destroyed lmfao
 
There's no line of dialog that implies the Maykrs exist in every timeline. Your getting that from God-Mind looking into every timeline and saying "The Maykrs were destroyed in every timeline."

Like if I'm wrong, can you please pull up the text that implies or says they exist in every timeline?
 
There's no line of dialog that implies the Maykrs exist in every timeline. Your getting that from God-Mind looking into every timeline and saying "The Maykrs were destroyed in every timeline."

Like if I'm wrong, can you please pull up the text that implies or says they exist in every timeline?
The Maykrs being destroyed in every timeline means they exist in every timeline. This is common sense.
 
But that's not what's written or the context. The God-Mind is being used to find where the slayer will appear and theres no mention of Urdak being destroyed. Only that it's destroyer always appears within the multiverse.
 
ok yeah i'm done, I'm not gonna keep talking to somebody who doesn't read my messages, how many times do I have to say "NOBODY'S TALKING ABOUT URDAK BEING DESTROYED" before you understand that NOBODY is talking about urdak being destroyed lmao please put on some glasses
 
You just said "Maykrs being destroyed in every timeline = Maykrs exists in every timeline." Except this isn't stated.
 
The Slayer's Weapon Empowerment was, in fact, further cemented with Dark Ages.
A character needing to breathe doesn't qualify as a weakness. Weaknesses are based on their severity compared to those of the average human.

For instance, yes, someone like Goku needs air, but that doesn't qualify as a weakness compared to normal humans. Humans can be hurt by fire, but it's especially damaging to an Ice-type Pokémon.
How was it cemented? If anything it was proven wrong, given the fact they SPECIFICALLY had to UPGRADE his weapons and make custom weaponry for him, including his ORIGINAL SHOTGUN FROM DOOM.

What is the point in upgrading it if he can just WILL his guns to be stronger? Does no one see how illogical this is?
 
That's asking me to prove a negative.

That only proves he was trapped, not damaged in any way, shape or form. Also, it shouldn't be assumed it was made of concrete; it's made out of an Urdak/Jekkad native substance. Still Dreadmace being "Infinitely dense" is literally spelled out to us. And for all we know, is not the only thing that is.

The word "Impervious" is still spelled to us. Also, you do realize Megakelvin lasers are used for industrial tests and that Megakelvin plasma cutters exist IRL. Nuke statement was hypothetical, but either way, 0 reason for BFG or Praeter Armor to be anything below it.

Samuel is an upperdimensional god who is well aware of upper dimensional powers.

Those are empowered by purified Argent Energy that comes from Urdak. AKA, the 6th dimension. And are still weaker than the Makyr gods of Urdak yes, but a lot of enemies in Eternal now have contest for a High 3-A upgrade scaling from Dreadmace.

And yeah, when it comes to destroying structures High 3-A and above, timeframe does not matter. Destroying a 2-A minimum sized multiverse within a finite amount of time will Always be 2-A. And with Jekkad/Urdak involved, it is 1-C.
He was DEFEATED which is pretty evident that he was hurt, consistent with his wounds and scars. If he wasn’t knocked out, do you think the slayer would’ve let himself be entombed? It was in a hell temple, which are visually made of stone. It’s “spelled out” in a SUBJECTIVE, IN UNIVERSE writing that disproves itself. This “infinitely dense” object is itself inherently impossible and you FIND IT FLOATING IN MIDAIR WHEN ENCOUNTERING IT.

Again, spelled out in SUBJECTIVE, IN UNIVERSE CODEX. The wording was also “ALMOST impervious”. There is no proof they used anything above a rocket launcher considering the stone it is encased in is uharmed.

So believe Samuel when he says that the foundry would kill him and slayer.

Ok, so show anything in the game itself that implies anything is capable of being above planetary. Especially when the games themselves disprove it with numerous building level and city level feats being clearly spelled out to defeat and kill the slayer.

The foundry would KILL Samuel and Slayer. JUST them. It’s not like he said “the foundry melting down will take out this entire universe so please stop it”.
 
It's not though?
There's no evidence of this, The earthly realms are Vega's creation which houses the multiverse. Urdak was created by Davoth to help find Immortality for his people and to traverse the multiverse.
The Father is Davoth, not Vega. Davoth made everything, including the earth realm, within his WORKSHOP.

“It was from here the Father first created the new dimension of Jekkad. It was here he formed Davoth. And it was this ground that served as his first workshop and as a retreat from Urdak, where the Father could direct the engines of creation and oversee Jekkad's gleaming spires and glorious civilization. Samur could travel to the Sanctum, but never into Jekkad. The Father would keep his realms separated.

After creating Jekkad, the Father retreated to his workshop to plan the Earth realm. It was also here that the Father meditated on the future of existence, and made his plan to withdraw from the physical world.”

I don’t really trust Doom Scalers who don’t know the lore itself to use the lore to try scale…
 
How was it cemented? If anything it was proven wrong, given the fact they SPECIFICALLY had to UPGRADE his weapons and make custom weaponry for him, including his ORIGINAL SHOTGUN FROM DOOM.

What is the point in upgrading it if he can just WILL his guns to be stronger? Does no one see how illogical this is?
That's all done for the sake of gameplay. It's like god of war. They aren't going to let the player steam roll everything.

And like I mentioned, this empowerment is still present in the Atlan and Dragon sections where there is no upgrade system.
 
That's all done for the sake of gameplay. It's like god of war. They aren't going to let the player steam roll everything.

And like I mentioned, this empowerment is still present in the Atlan and Dragon sections where there is no upgrade system.
The codex which is the lore is now “gameplay mechanics”?

The codex explicitly states that the sentinels UPGRADED HIS SHOTGUN. Why would they do that, when he can power his guns up infinitely with his brain??

What empowerment? Post a source please. There’s no empowerment going on— Novik’s Atlan one shots a Titan with its cannons, Doomguy’s Atlan takes many punches to take down titans and the energy cannons one shot titans. This is the gameplay showing congruity with the canon.
 
He was DEFEATED which is pretty evident that he was hurt, consistent with his wounds and scars. If he wasn’t knocked out, do you think the slayer would’ve let himself be entombed? It was in a hell temple, which are visually made of stone. It’s “spelled out” in a SUBJECTIVE, IN UNIVERSE writing that disproves itself. This “infinitely dense” object is itself inherently impossible and you FIND IT FLOATING IN MIDAIR WHEN ENCOUNTERING IT.
If I teleport someone to Limbo without physically damaging them, and they cannot escape, that would count as a defeat even if they weren't harmed or killed. So "Defeated" holds no susbstance. "Wounds and scars" where what he got from fighting the Titan and had those before the temple thing.

"Made of stone" is subjective because stone could refer to any of these, it can also refer to Adamantium/Mythril and the various knock offs. Which various stones and metals in Jekkad or Urdak could very well be more in common with. I could use the "Thor failed to break a wall" and ignore the fact that it was a wall containing traces of adamantium.

As for the rest, it's just a repeat of "Kratos can't be higher than Wall level because he struggles to cut down trees with axes" all over again. Not to mention, the Foundry is a mass release of Argent Energy, which massive quantities can reach Tier 1 amounts. Fictional energy sources being Tier 2/1 are common in fiction.

Most importantly, it seems Firestorm's warning was ignored.
Guys, chill. Just drop it at this point.
The quadruple posting, yelling at people, and insulting people's intelligence is not a good look and we might need to RVR and/or thread ban if this keeps up. You're also breaking our discussion rules regarding the topic.
 
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