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Dragon Ball Super. To be canon, or not to be?

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Dragon Ball Super exists in two separate, undoubtedly distinct iterations, both adapted from the general outlines cobbled together by Akira Toriyama, but interpreted and produced by two very different entities, being Toyotaro and Toei Animation, heads of the manga and the anime, respectively. Which iteration is canon? In the past, the anime was accepted as the main canon, hence why pages originating from the Z manga have keys originating from the Super anime, like Krillin, Piccolo, Frieza, etc., and why First Form Frieza is High 5-A. However, in recent years, the Super manga has been used as an example in discussions regarding the canon—cosmology threads come to mind immediately—and abilities originating from the manga have begun to latch onto characters dating as far as back as the original Dragon Ball. That begs the question, which version of Super exists in the main canon, which version trickles down into the original series?

Or, is this a BS "both versions are canon, despite their differences, and both versions trickle down" situation, because Toriyama happened to leave both entities with his notes?
 
Nullflowerblush said:
That is because the TV anime exists parallel to the canon through Dr. Slump and GT. And, as per the as of Super, outdated laws of time travel, each timeline apparently shares identical cosmology.
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and why are we saying references make things canon?
 
They're both worth indexing, but indexing separate from each other. Original Manga and the DBS movies seem canon to both timelines though is more so advertised as follow ups to the Anime versions. Though I recall DBS Super Hero deviates from the manga given Vegeta is learning Ultra Instinct while DBS Manga has Vegeta learning Ultra Ego instead of Ultra Instinct.

I really don't get why this is so difficult to understand.
 
Vegeta is not learning Ultra Instinct in the movie, no. He's doing the same thing in both versions: trying to replicate Jiren's fighting style
 
And, like, the 2-C Universe 7 threads from earlier in the year that were founded nearly entirely upon Frieza training in a Room of Spirit and Time outside of the universe.
 
I think there is no “main canon” anymore, they are both just distinct official interpretations of a sequel to dbz, they are both canon to the main story but distinct ideas.

i think the idea behind them is that there is no “official sequel”, is up to the fans to choose which one they prefer, they share rhe main concept behind “super” but neither are more “super” then the other

honestly, they might as well be alternate timelines that share a similar past, with their future being slighty different.

for now is better for them to be treated completely distinct, whatever happens to the anime cosmology, doesn’t affect the manga, vice versa
 
Kai should be Canon so super, and it considered as such in several other forums

  • Super has Kai flashbacks, even as gats as the ToP which should have been the nail on the coffin
  • had Kai only characters like Gregory and frog Ginyu and anime only events like bulma-ginyu body switch which happened in Kai but not the Manga,


The only contradiction is a completely minor retcon on how hell looks like, which is easily passed as an outlier or even a retcon . DBS anime contradicts the manga far more than that anyway


The very fact that it uses Kai flashbacks in it's canon episodes should speak to the canonicity of kai
 
Jaakor48 said:
Kai should be Canon so super, and it considered as such in several other forums

  • Super has Kai flashbacks, even as gats as the ToP which should have been the nail on the coffin
  • had Kai only characters like Gregory and frog Ginyu and anime only events like bulma-ginyu body switch which happened in Kai but not the Manga,


The only contradiction is a completely minor retcon on how hell looks like, which is easily passed as an outlier or even a retcon . DBS anime contradicts the manga far more than that anyway


The very fact that it uses Kai flashbacks in it's canon episodes should speak to the canonicity of kai
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I think that a crt for this should soon be created
 
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