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Dream Stone Re-Upgrade CRT

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Here’s my rough final tally:

Real world total: 2431

Real world total with cutscene enemies: 2552

With mad skillathon: 3757

With Bowser’s castle: 3985

With Bowser’s castle bombs: at least 4083

With Dream World: 9045

With Battle ring: 9802

With giant Battle ring: 10728

With Luiginoids: 18978

With Luiginary Works: 19178

With cutscene dreams: 19673

With antasmunchies: 19708

With Dreamy Bowser Castle: 20925

With Broque Madame: 26629

With Zeekeeper alt dimensions: 26631

With Finishing Bros+Star Driver stars: 26649

With Bros attack tutorial: at least 26713

With Dreamy Mario’s: 26813
Let's just use this method and apply the changes already.
Besides that highball which most seemed dubious about, this estimation by JJSliderman is the other highest finite number I found, and the one I think was the most accepted by those agreeing in the thread given there seemed to be an actual process used to find a real number.
I agree with his scan
I mean, a couple members including myself don't seem to have a problem with this method after all.
 
We can't use that without, y'know, proof.

JJ said he didn't record himself when he made the count, we need scans to justify those numbers.
 
Again, please stop trying to rush the thread to conclusion. Accuracy will always be most important compared to just trying to get the thread done ASAP
 
Again, please stop trying to rush the thread to conclusion. Accuracy will always be most important compared to just trying to get the thread done ASAP
I'm not trying to rush anything; I'm just trying to bring everyone to an agreement for a single method on finding the number of universes.
 
It seems we’ve reached an impasse and someone will have to, buy a 3DS capture or take hundreds of pictures throughout their playthrough to find an answer.
 
Don’t really have proper recording equipment beyond sticking my phone camera in front of the 3DS, and with how many times new enemies spawn in during the battles potentially, not sure that’s the best idea.
 
Don’t really have proper recording equipment beyond sticking my phone camera in front of the 3DS, and with how many times new enemies spawn in during the battles potentially, not sure that’s the best idea.
Well, do you have any equipment to take pictures with?
 
I swear to you I am not lying about these figures, I can even post the rest of the notes I had.

Mario Dreams: Broggy, Broque Monsieur, 3 Toads, Toadsworth, Peach, Mario, Luigi=10

18 at the landing site, 33 at circle 1, 33 circle 2, 23 at quiz, 7 circle 3, 10 circle 4, 3 in first Gromba battle area, 53 in next circle, 10 after that=190 before entering castle, 200 total

Inside castle, first room=16, second room 8, third room 8, fourth room 3, 13 Grombas, 37 Grombas, 1 block, 9 grombas, 2 Toads, 5 after Toads, 4, 7, 8, 10, 7, 17, 6, 3=164

Dream Stone made infinite coins?

Under castle: 18

Mushrise: 223

Bowser’s Castle: 228

Bowser’s Castle Bombs: Infinitely spawning+35+63

Ending: 50

Dozing Sands: 232

Elite Trio+Kamek: 4

Wakeport: 205

Driftwood Shore: 225

Somnom Woods: 660

Mole Hunt: 72

52 Pi’illos

Castle exterior: 67

Dreamy Marios: 100

Pajamaja: 104+Monolifts in Mammoshka fight

Dreambeats Scene: 102

Post island destruction: 10

Cutscenes: 74/111+10

Luiginoids: (infinitely spawning, 150 at a time).
15*150 for giant battles
Constellations: 150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+450+150+300+450+300+600+300+300+150+450+750

Pictures: 13

Luiginary Works: 200

Cutscenes Dream: 15+480

15 Finishing Bros.+3 Star Driver

Two people on one Dreampoint can have same dream, dream worlds can belong to one individual,

Zeekeeper alt dimensions: 2

Bros. Attack Tutorials: Infinitely spawning enemies*16

Mad Skillathon: (infinite respawn)/ 231+254+75+250+270+120+5

Broque Madame Dream: 162+160+160+160+162+162+159+162+160+163+163+161+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+750

Battle Ring: (1+30+2+30+37+21+200+10+35)*2+25

Giant Battle Ring: (7+42+30+24+30+24+7+60+30+6+24+30+6+7+30+60+30+8+5+1+2) * 2

Dreamy Bowser Castle: 1+20+21+21+20+16+30+18+30+23+19+20+25+14+31+10+81+31+15+16+31+29+19+20+11+23+22+16+13+12+21+11+16+21+13+22+7+42+30+24+30+24+7+60+30+6+24+30+6+7+30+60+30+8

Antasmunchies: 35

Bowser’s dreams potentially equal to all the others due to being a higher hierarchy?

Dream World tally: 4897 or 4901+60+1
 
I swear to you I am not lying about these figures, I can even post the rest of the notes I had.

Mario Dreams: Broggy, Broque Monsieur, 3 Toads, Toadsworth, Peach, Mario, Luigi=10

18 at the landing site, 33 at circle 1, 33 circle 2, 23 at quiz, 7 circle 3, 10 circle 4, 3 in first Gromba battle area, 53 in next circle, 10 after that=190 before entering castle, 200 total

Inside castle, first room=16, second room 8, third room 8, fourth room 3, 13 Grombas, 37 Grombas, 1 block, 9 grombas, 2 Toads, 5 after Toads, 4, 7, 8, 10, 7, 17, 6, 3=164

Dream Stone made infinite coins?

Under castle: 18

Mushrise: 223

Bowser’s Castle: 228

Bowser’s Castle Bombs: Infinitely spawning+35+63

Ending: 50

Dozing Sands: 232

Elite Trio+Kamek: 4

Wakeport: 205

Driftwood Shore: 225

Somnom Woods: 660

Mole Hunt: 72

52 Pi’illos

Castle exterior: 67

Dreamy Marios: 100

Pajamaja: 104+Monolifts in Mammoshka fight

Dreambeats Scene: 102

Post island destruction: 10

Cutscenes: 74/111+10

Luiginoids: (infinitely spawning, 150 at a time).
15*150 for giant battles
Constellations: 150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+450+150+300+450+300+600+300+300+150+450+750

Pictures: 13

Luiginary Works: 200

Cutscenes Dream: 15+480

15 Finishing Bros.+3 Star Driver

Two people on one Dreampoint can have same dream, dream worlds can belong to one individual,

Zeekeeper alt dimensions: 2

Bros. Attack Tutorials: Infinitely spawning enemies*16

Mad Skillathon: (infinite respawn)/ 231+254+75+250+270+120+5

Broque Madame Dream: 162+160+160+160+162+162+159+162+160+163+163+161+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+750

Battle Ring: (1+30+2+30+37+21+200+10+35)*2+25

Giant Battle Ring: (7+42+30+24+30+24+7+60+30+6+24+30+6+7+30+60+30+8+5+1+2) * 2

Dreamy Bowser Castle: 1+20+21+21+20+16+30+18+30+23+19+20+25+14+31+10+81+31+15+16+31+29+19+20+11+23+22+16+13+12+21+11+16+21+13+22+7+42+30+24+30+24+7+60+30+6+24+30+6+7+30+60+30+8

Antasmunchies: 35

Bowser’s dreams potentially equal to all the others due to being a higher hierarchy?

Dream World tally: 4897 or 4901+60+1
Can we use this?
 
Listen I don't doubt the man but we cannot just take a calculation for the number of universes that has nothing, no scans or anything, that justify the numbers.
sigh We're never gonna finish this f***ing thread, are we?
Alright, does anyone else here have a 3DS with the game?
That requires hundreds, potentially over a thousand pictures
I have a 3DS and I have Dream Team
Do you guys still feel up to it?
 
Someone will have to watch through possibly tens or hours worth of dream team walkthrough's or lets plays. Sure people are dedicated to this thread but also while people have jobs or other responsibilities. It will be not easy, point is it will be a huge time consuming task, that will be a slow one. I guess I can look through dream team lp's/wt's to look over 4987 universes. Possibly less or more.
 
Why don't we just use the number for the island with the smallest population (100,000) like Clover said and end it here?
 
There weren't any scans used for this, though.

 
There weren't any scans used for this, though.

That was made in 2016 (Most people didn't use scans for upgrades back then) and it being accepted despite it having nothing to really back it up does not justify it happening again.
 
That was made in 2016 (Most people didn't use scans for upgrades back then) and it being accepted despite it having nothing to really back it up does not justify it happening again.
Why can't we just use a single method that's been mentioned in this thread without scans?
 
If people wanna use the 100,000 population method than that's fine, would only need a link to any kind of article that brings up that number.

If we don't use that and need other methods, we gotta get scans.
 
I suppose that works. Could also be easier to just look for an average island's population. A quick search on Wikipedia shows that the smallest island by population is Yeongjongdo at 100,000 people. I may prefer this simply because by counting all the NPCs you may miss out on some characters that are perhaps not explicit NPCs, but like part of a crowd for example.
You mean this link?
 
I feel like the 100,000 statistic might be outdated, considering there are islands with a population of 47
Then we could just place the tiering for the Dream Stone at something like "At least 2-C, likely 2-B".
 
According to Wikipedia, there are about 730 million people on all the world's islands, or about 9% of the population. They count only those with 100,000 people, which is likely where the outdated statistic came from.

Also according to wikipedia, on islands: 'There are about 900,000 official islands in the world. This number consists of all the officially-reported islands of each country. The total number of islands in the world is unknown.'

The mean would be about 811 people per island, though that's obviously unusuable: Finding a true mean is incredibly unlikely given the sheer number of nearly a million islands to consider, and like JJ pointed out, there are probably a lot of islands with incredibly low populations. It doesn't seem possible to have good data on a real world 'average population' for an island like we could with cities or countries.

The closest I could find was a biogeography paper from January 18, 2023 that analyzed 486 islands to come to an average population of 6988 individuals. Unfortunately, it is behind a paywall: The statistic it found is provided in a statement by Google as a 'featured snippet' on the topic. The fact remains that a study with almost 500 islands still isn't coming close to representing the almost one million islands that are known.
 
It's gonna come down to one method, so we gotta decide between the two. We can either use an island's population or spend several hours of counting the NPCs in the game while keeping the thread in Limbo.
 
Or we could wait until ZespeonGalaxy's prima guide for Dream Team to arrive to hopefully help give us an answer
 
I swear to you I am not lying about these figures, I can even post the rest of the notes I had.

Mario Dreams: Broggy, Broque Monsieur, 3 Toads, Toadsworth, Peach, Mario, Luigi=10

18 at the landing site, 33 at circle 1, 33 circle 2, 23 at quiz, 7 circle 3, 10 circle 4, 3 in first Gromba battle area, 53 in next circle, 10 after that=190 before entering castle, 200 total

Inside castle, first room=16, second room 8, third room 8, fourth room 3, 13 Grombas, 37 Grombas, 1 block, 9 grombas, 2 Toads, 5 after Toads, 4, 7, 8, 10, 7, 17, 6, 3=164

Dream Stone made infinite coins?

Under castle: 18

Mushrise: 223

Bowser’s Castle: 228

Bowser’s Castle Bombs: Infinitely spawning+35+63

Ending: 50

Dozing Sands: 232

Elite Trio+Kamek: 4

Wakeport: 205

Driftwood Shore: 225

Somnom Woods: 660

Mole Hunt: 72

52 Pi’illos

Castle exterior: 67

Dreamy Marios: 100

Pajamaja: 104+Monolifts in Mammoshka fight

Dreambeats Scene: 102

Post island destruction: 10

Cutscenes: 74/111+10

Luiginoids: (infinitely spawning, 150 at a time).
15*150 for giant battles
Constellations: 150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+450+150+300+450+300+600+300+300+150+450+750

Pictures: 13

Luiginary Works: 200

Cutscenes Dream: 15+480

15 Finishing Bros.+3 Star Driver

Two people on one Dreampoint can have same dream, dream worlds can belong to one individual,

Zeekeeper alt dimensions: 2

Bros. Attack Tutorials: Infinitely spawning enemies*16

Mad Skillathon: (infinite respawn)/ 231+254+75+250+270+120+5

Broque Madame Dream: 162+160+160+160+162+162+159+162+160+163+163+161+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+750

Battle Ring: (1+30+2+30+37+21+200+10+35)*2+25

Giant Battle Ring: (7+42+30+24+30+24+7+60+30+6+24+30+6+7+30+60+30+8+5+1+2) * 2

Dreamy Bowser Castle: 1+20+21+21+20+16+30+18+30+23+19+20+25+14+31+10+81+31+15+16+31+29+19+20+11+23+22+16+13+12+21+11+16+21+13+22+7+42+30+24+30+24+7+60+30+6+24+30+6+7+30+60+30+8

Antasmunchies: 35

Bowser’s dreams potentially equal to all the others due to being a higher hierarchy?

Dream World tally: 4897 or 4901+60+1
Why are we counting creatures that exist within Dream Worlds as counting towards the Dream tally? I’m pretty sure the Dream beats only affected things in the real world when it occurred unless I’m forgetting something
 
Why are we counting creatures that exist within Dream Worlds as counting towards the Dream tally? I’m pretty sure the Dream beats only affected things in the real world when it occurred unless I’m forgetting something
Yeah, the Dreambeats only affected those in the real world so I believe only those should be counted
 
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