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Featured Matchup 3! 2B VS Astolfo
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And also, isn't every character given mystery so they can harm servants with verse Equalization?
Like...Isn't that why Zoro vs Saber wasn't a stomp?
Like...Isn't that why Zoro vs Saber wasn't a stomp?
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Would Astolfo be able to tank a punch from a completely biological, not mystic or old entity with little to no renown but said punch carried 3-A power.
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I mean don't get me wrong, I'd understand Servants having heavy resistance to these kinds of things but that they nope attacks around their own tier based on Mistery is news to me.
Hence why I'm confused and more asking than claiming anything.
Hence why I'm confused and more asking than claiming anything.
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Mystery only goes so far, Lugh is untouchable to modern magi because of his mystery but gets holes punched in him by Soujuurou.
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Who's Soujruurou?
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Maybe he means Legend?
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One of the protagonists of Mahoutsukai no Yoru. He lived in the mountains and is extremely strong for no discernible reason (he's described as the strongest TYPE-MOON protagonist when he first shows up).
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@J-Man
The planet would get busted and the Holy Grail destroyed, so yes on that technicality.
But your comparison is flawed. Astolfo is a Spiritual Being. He's not going to be hit by something normal.
@Fate
It's been part of the lore since the beginning. It's just never been applied in fights here since 99% of fights have some sort of supernatural element (i.e. Akame's swords are made from Danger Beasts which are analogous to Monstrous Beasts, Zoro's swords are quite old and were made by renowned swordsmiths, Jax lives in a world filled with magic e.t.c.).
The planet would get busted and the Holy Grail destroyed, so yes on that technicality.
But your comparison is flawed. Astolfo is a Spiritual Being. He's not going to be hit by something normal.
@Fate
It's been part of the lore since the beginning. It's just never been applied in fights here since 99% of fights have some sort of supernatural element (i.e. Akame's swords are made from Danger Beasts which are analogous to Monstrous Beasts, Zoro's swords are quite old and were made by renowned swordsmiths, Jax lives in a world filled with magic e.t.c.).
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"Zoro's swords are quite old and we made by renowned swordsmiths"
So 2B DOES have a lot of mystery then....Most of the weapons you get in Nier were made centuries ago.
So 2B DOES have a lot of mystery then....Most of the weapons you get in Nier were made centuries ago.
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Ya knew what I meant Rep.
So when we having all those other matches from other media redone? Due to similar stuff?
So when we having all those other matches from other media redone? Due to similar stuff?
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I mean.
No one outside Bleach has Reiatsu so they would be Reiatsu crushed.
No one outside HxH has Nen so they would receive Nen Baptism.
Isn't this the same case with mistery? "This character has no mistery so he/she's never hurting servants."
No one outside Bleach has Reiatsu so they would be Reiatsu crushed.
No one outside HxH has Nen so they would receive Nen Baptism.
Isn't this the same case with mistery? "This character has no mistery so he/she's never hurting servants."
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No not really. It's ever said that any of her weapons are particularly old.Gargoyle One said:
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I mean....YoRHa forges the Type 40 sword and the electric broadsword and that's it, Every other weapon is a weapon is a weapon you find from the old world which is centuries ago.
Because no one agrees with you
Because no one agrees with you
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I'm not turning on you, Repp. If Lugh has a physical body then it's different. I'm the one who started adding Immunity to conventional weapons to all the Servant pages, anyways.
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I'm not even voting, but I imagine we should be going with the characters shown limits of noping.
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This is the same as saying, only Stand can see and harm Stands, which is supported in manga, ghosts, supernatural beings, humans, animals, none can see or touch stands with out a Stand but we equalize that here.
This should be equalized automatically.
This should be equalized automatically.
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Regardless, if Astolfo literally can't be hurt by 99% of 2Bs arsenal, then this is a stomp and should be closed.
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@Gar
Citation?
And your evidence against my argument is?
My Citation:
Rin Tohsaka: Of course it's amazing. Not just Saber, but all the Servants are heroic spirits. There's the fact that they're spirits, but they can't be hurt by normal means. That's because Servants themselves are divine mysteries.
The only ones that can physically hurt the Servants are other Servants, heroic spirits like them. So in other words, if a Servant was using it, even a paper knife could hurt Saber.
You need some kind of supernatural magical power to hurt a Servant. Science can't cut it.
Citation?
And your evidence against my argument is?
My Citation:
Rin Tohsaka: Of course it's amazing. Not just Saber, but all the Servants are heroic spirits. There's the fact that they're spirits, but they can't be hurt by normal means. That's because Servants themselves are divine mysteries.
The only ones that can physically hurt the Servants are other Servants, heroic spirits like them. So in other words, if a Servant was using it, even a paper knife could hurt Saber.
You need some kind of supernatural magical power to hurt a Servant. Science can't cut it.
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It's kind of a given.
By the same logic that someone without mistery should be unable to harm a servant I could re-use my argument above and say that someone without Reiatsu gets oneshotted via Reiatsu Crush in a Bleach thread.
By the same logic that someone without mistery should be unable to harm a servant I could re-use my argument above and say that someone without Reiatsu gets oneshotted via Reiatsu Crush in a Bleach thread.
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We just gonna ignore every thing else and every other verse that is put through equalization? This litterally no different.
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@Fate
There's an entire verse full of an entire race of characters who do this other than the Nasuverse.
I don't see why we'd verse equalize this out when it's not something like Reiatsu Crush.
There's an entire verse full of an entire race of characters who do this other than the Nasuverse.
I don't see why we'd verse equalize this out when it's not something like Reiatsu Crush.
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First of all we have the weapons manufacturer in chapter 1, who states that weapons have to be found from the old world or forged, and the fact that most of the weapons in Automata are from the original Nier, which is again, centiries ago.
The comments above.
The comments above.
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>Stands_only_hurt_stands.jpg
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RIP Jotaro vs Sans
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Oh, don't forget Ganondorf.
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@Gargoyle
Citation. I provided mine. You give yours.
Honestly, I'm sick of arguing against literally everyone at once.
@J-Man
The Stands can only hurt Stands thing is a NLF.
The fact that Servants are spiritual beings makes it equivalent to them being intangible and it can be bypassed on a much wider scale than Stands.
It's not nearly as equivalent as you're making it out to be.
Citation. I provided mine. You give yours.
Honestly, I'm sick of arguing against literally everyone at once.
@J-Man
The Stands can only hurt Stands thing is a NLF.
The fact that Servants are spiritual beings makes it equivalent to them being intangible and it can be bypassed on a much wider scale than Stands.
It's not nearly as equivalent as you're making it out to be.
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Verse equalization wouldn't do anything.
The Nasuverse makes a clear distinction between magical and conventional weaponary. The Servants just happen to be immune to non-magical weapons/damage.
Not to mention, that there things in fiction that are immune in ficiton. Kharn's immune to 99% percent of hax. Galactus doesn't possess a soul, so soul manipulation and the like don't really effect him. There are characters who are immune to poison, etc.
The Nasuverse makes a clear distinction between magical and conventional weaponary. The Servants just happen to be immune to non-magical weapons/damage.
Not to mention, that there things in fiction that are immune in ficiton. Kharn's immune to 99% percent of hax. Galactus doesn't possess a soul, so soul manipulation and the like don't really effect him. There are characters who are immune to poison, etc.
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I just mentioned what I mentioned did I not?Reppuzan said:
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>The Stands can only hurt Stands thing is a NLF.
The fact that Servants are spiritual beings makes it equivalent to them being intangible and it can be bypassed on a much wider scale than Stands.
It's not nearly as equivalent as you're making it out to be.
It's litterally identical.
Stands are intangible and spiritual beings too dude.
The fact that Servants are spiritual beings makes it equivalent to them being intangible and it can be bypassed on a much wider scale than Stands.
It's not nearly as equivalent as you're making it out to be.
It's litterally identical.
Stands are intangible and spiritual beings too dude.
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Not familiar with that verse, so I don't have the context of that. The problem here is not them noping whatever, tho.Reppuzan said:
It's because by the same reasoning behind it, literally no one in VS Threads should have mistery because it's a mechanic exclusive to the Nasuverse and then everyone would be noped. No, they wouldn't gain mistery overtime because that doesn't happen in other verses - they would be noped regardless of age, power, or whatever.
So that gets equalized like Reiatsu, Nen, interacting with Stands, etc.
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We should probably keep on track and discuss Verse Equalization on a different thread, since it honestly is an issue (Bleach characters are invisible to people without Reiatsu / whatever spiritual equivalent but everyone just disregards that for some reason, for example).
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So let's see.....
Either Mystery is Equalized, and 2B wins with massive versatility.
Or it isn't and 99.5% of 2Bs arsenal is useless.
Why is this thread still open?
Either Mystery is Equalized, and 2B wins with massive versatility.
Or it isn't and 99.5% of 2Bs arsenal is useless.
Why is this thread still open?
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@Gargoyle
From the game itself. Not a paraphrased snippet.
@J-Man
But the rule that Stands can only be hurt by Stands isn't nearly as widespread as magic is.
It's like saying that everyone can hit intangible characters by default because lol Verse Equalization.
From the game itself. Not a paraphrased snippet.
@J-Man
But the rule that Stands can only be hurt by Stands isn't nearly as widespread as magic is.
It's like saying that everyone can hit intangible characters by default because lol Verse Equalization.
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