Finally Brawl Talk are here| Part 2

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Upgrade Tiers

• 4-C; In this short, Kenji is capable of slicing various things, eventually ending with him slicing cuts into the Sun which results in it blowing up. Now, here's how this will be interpreted because this is a little weird.
  • The short's weird perspectives will not be taken into account, because as we see from the shadow cast by the watermelon, the perspective for Kenji and the object he's slicing is a little weird.
  • Thus, Kenji isn't doing this with Size Manipulation, he's just... him.
  • Since we see the cross-section of the things Kenji cuts, as well as the indents in the Sun being formed, these objects are to be assumed to be the actual objects they represent, since they're not just PNGs being cut. That, and the title implies these are actual objects.
  • This should be canon, since Fernanda Oliveira, the art director and world-builder for the Brawl Stars IP, as well as the person who creates Brawler concepts as well as creates the concepts for the universe of the series, also oversees all visual things such as advertisements, animations, and even merchandise to make sure they represent the world well. This means that this short aligns with what is perceived as possible for Brawlers to do, and since it isn't an alternate universe thing (like many promos featuring skins), it should be applicable. However, Frank, the game lead, confirms that all lore is canon to the game, and nothing has been retconned (besides Brawler descriptions from beta), especially the Investor Video in particular.
  • Spike is seen as the most powerful and strongest Brawler from a lore-perspective overall, and the purple gems that make Brawlers are stated to make Brawlers be able to fight each other, so every Brawler should scale to this to an extent.
• 5-A; In this animation, everyone survives being in the center of an explosion that reached past the Moon
  • Also due to this calc, it would be 5-A [5.80306095 yottatons of TNT]
  • This is canon due to above
  • The reason why his tree is not destroyed is that Brawler Physiology is work on Toon physics. Even there many trees and even mountains was destroyed in clip.

This is best part/Amp:

• Bea's Supercharged Shots: Bea's Supercharged Shots always do 175% more damage than her normal shots, which still do a good amount of damage. This makes any characters who deal comparable damage to her Supercharged Shots/can survive such damage be go from this powerful [or this], to higher, for whatever stat they can scale to it to. This is because there are a few Brawlers who can in-fact get 1-shot by Bea's Supercharged shot, like Tick, meaning some characters scale and some don't. While this makes the AP difference pretty sizeable, going from
• If 4-C get accept: Baseline/136.066 Quettatons to 374.1815 Quettatons
• If 5-A get accept: 5.80306095 Yottatons to 15.9584176125 Yottatons
• If they still in same tier: 29.96 Megatons to 82.39 Megatons

About UES for Brawler Physiology:

Limited Energy Systems​

Brawlers shown that possess their powers by purple gems, which is also give them their respawn ability, this means all Brawlers possess same power system. Brawler's power system would fit in this critera as they can use a similar amount of power with any given technique such as when Edgar's normal attack can throwing Colt into the well, and same thing with his super.

Non-Physical Energy System​

It is shown that Brawlers can use their non-physical powers scale to harm each other in Attack Potency. It was also shown that when they display an increase in energy/power, the potency of their powers and abilities increase as well, like when Brawlers uses Hypercharge, which increases their super, attack and physical damage.

Universal Energy System​

Purple gem's effect has shown to be able to channel Brawler's energy through their physicals, as it can amplifing durability, physical attack and speed.

About speed?

• Sub-Relativistic; Brawlers should be scales to Bull, who able to dodged Ruffs's Supply Drop, who has Sub-Relativistic attack speed

Don't forget about Abilities:

Spoiler: Brawler Physiology

• Reality Warping (Brawlers shown to be able to change style of animation, such as here, here and here)
• Hand-to-Hand Fighter & Skilled Fighter (WKBRL live stream confirming Brawlers can fight and respawn. Brawlers shown to be are hand to hand against Brawlers, such as here, here and here)
• Non-Physical Interaction
  • Possible Nonexistence (Type 1; Brawlers can interact with Gray's attacks, which are finger-guns, and are heavily implied to not even be real)
  • Intangibility (Elemental, Immaterial & Phasing) & Beyond-Dimensional Type 1 or Spatial Intangibility; Brawlers can attack Shade even when he is in his Incorporeal Form, though Shade can pass through physical objects otherwise. His Incorporeal Form is stated to make Shade exit the physical world. Brawlers can interact and harm Squeak, which made of dog slobber)
• Enhanced Vision & Passive Extrasensory Perception (Spirit, Time-Travel Detection & Beyond-Dimensional Existence Type 1 or Dimension Travel; Brawlers can visibly see and pick up the souls of defeated opponents, which are stated to be souls in the gamemode description. Capable of fully seeing Shade even in its Incorporeal Form, which is stated to make Shade exit the physical world. All Brawlers are capable of seeing where and which location Finx is able to physically go back to if he uses his Gadget to time travel back to that location.)
• Immortality
  • (Type 7; Brawlers can still alive even after Mortis absorb their souls/life-essences.)
  • (Possibly Type 8; The confirmed reason for why Brawlers can respawn is because of the purple gems that granted them their powers to begin with preventing them from dying.)
• Resistance to Corrosion Inducement (Brawlers can withstand being in the vicinity, and even having Emz' hairspray be blasted at them, which is stated to be capable of melting off the faces of regular people because of how corrosive it is.)
• Unconventional Resistance to Soul Manipulation (Brawlers can still alive even after lose their soul/life-essence)

The Brawlers' passive healing starts only a few seconds after being injured.

Remove this weakness since it's Game Mechanics, as shown Brawler can regenerate without needing wait for few seconds.
Also it should be add notes about Brawlers:

• Although Brawlers are only able to use a single gadget in game but this is Game Mechanics, consider Brawlers have been seen are able to use all the gadgets that they have.
• Although Brawlers shown can't use a their Super without damage others Brawlers but this is Game Mechanics, consider Brawlers have been seen are able to use their Super without harm or damage other Brawlers.
• It shown that range and damage of Brawler's Attack and Super, most of time aren't correct, since it shown in game, most of Brawler's attack and super lower than 10 range, but in Animation (which is canon) it has higher than this.

Spoiler: Brawler Abilities

Gray

• Nothingness Manipulation (Projection: Gray's attacks, which are finger-guns, and are heavily implied to not even be real)

Dynamike:

• Resistance to Explosion Manipulation (Unaffected by his own explosions, and shown here)

Bull page fix:
Remove:

Forcefield Creation (With Tough Guy Star Power, he can activate a shield that reduces all damage taken by 30%. His Hypercharge ability gives him a shield reduces incoming damage by 80% while he's rushing with his Super), Status Effect Inducement, Statistics Reduction (When Bull hits the ground with this Gadget, he slows his enemies for 1.5 seconds), Passive Healing and possibly Regeneration (High-Low. Brawlers will passively heal damage that doesn't kill them)

Replace with:

• Status Effect Inducement, Statistics Reduction & Shockwave Creation(Bull's super make a earthquake can slows enemies within a 3 tile radius for 2.5 seconds)
• Paralysis Inducement (Activating this Gadget allows Bull's next Super to stun enemies it hits for 1 second. In addition, the slow radius at the end of the charge is replaced with a 0.5 second stun.)
• Passive Damage Reduction & Forcefield Creation (With Tough Guy Star Power; Bull's health falls below than 40% of its maximum, he gains a damage reduction shield that reduces 30% of all damage he takes. When Bull is actively using his Super with Hypercharge, he will receive a shield that reduces damage he takes by 80% until the Super ends, whether from reaching the end of its range, Bull getting stunned, or hitting an indestructible wall. He also receives a 25% speed and shield boost, as well as a 5% damage boost.)
• Statistics Amplification (When Bull's health falls below 60% of its maximum, his reload speed will double)

Note: this because Bull get changes in Game
Frank:

• Statistics Amplification (When he loses health, causing him to attack faster)

 

[ElJoaki5]

For sure disagree with the Kenji short being usable and canon. Highly doubt its meant to be taken seriously like that. Animations are obviously usable tho.
The large planet scaling is wrong. The explosion you claim to be large planet level cant even destroy a tree.
Also youre trying to upgrade characters which are city/multi-city block to sun level with a severe lack of consistency for it. With only a short that isnt mean to be taken seriously and a feat which is inconsistent with itself.

Speed has to be calculated.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

For sure disagree with the Kenji short being usable and canon. Highly doubt its meant to be taken seriously like that. Animations are obviously usable tho.

Tho, it canon due to Fernanda Oliveira and Frank.

The large planet scaling is wrong. The explosion you claim to be large planet level cant even destroy a tree.

It just Toon Force, even this isn't not count argument for this, since whole fire was burning and destroy

Also youre trying to upgrade characters which are city/multi-city block to sun level with a severe lack of consistency for it.

Since DC≠AP so it's not even "lack of consistency". Also most of Brawlers shown to be has higher AP in Animation but in Game no, so it's just Game Mechanics. They also shown can survive from high gravity explosion and etc...

With only a short that isnt mean to be taken seriously and a feat which is inconsistent with itself.

There is no contradiction at all that what we see in the game is Game Mechanics

 

[David_Is_Goat]

I agree with tier and speed upgrades overall.

Sub-Relativistic; Brawlers should be scales to Bull, who able to dodged Ruffs's Supply Drop, who has Sub-Relativistic attack speed

Is unnecessary link a gameplay video where x character dodged a projectile (for example) and then claim "can react to x character, who dodged a bullet". You can just claim they are capable of reacting to it

• Plot Manipulation (Brawlers shown to be able to change style of animation, such as here, here and here, also make show go to end)

I disagree about this. Like... I just don't see a the animation changing its style for comic relief or everything else as the same as Brawlers triggering a cenary manipulation

• Year of the Tiger animation just ended with 8-Bit doing a countdown because the history of the animation was too long to a single video. That's why its separated in two parts. Even if that wasn't the case, year of the tiger animation is non-canon. Like, what the heck is Barley doing in China, if he is a regular barman of Starr Park? Now Edgar got fired from Starr Park and now acts like Orochimaru?

Anyways, i agree with everything else related to the physiology part

Gray

• Nothingness Manipulation (Projection: Gray's attacks, which are finger-guns, and are heavily implied to not even be real)

Does this even exist? How will you qualify this in the wiki, since we don't have this ability? I think its better you just leave Gray's projectiles as a via to non-physical interaction

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I agree with tier and speed upgrades overall.

Is unnecessary link a gameplay video where x character dodged a projectile (for example) and then claim "can react to x character, who dodged a bullet". You can just claim they are capable of reacting to it

No it's not video from someone play game, it's Ruffs's animation

I disagree about this. Like... I just don't see a the animation changing its style for comic relief or everything else as the same as Brawlers triggering a cenary manipulation

You can see that they are turning it from a cartoon to an Anime drawing or 3-D to 2-D, and etc... Which is not even Biological Manipulation. There many characters has Plot Manipulation due to same thing
Gumball:

Passive Limited Plot Manipulation (As established during The Finale, the Watterson family canonically returns to the status quo in between almost every episode, preventing them from facing long-term consequences)

Discord:

• Plot Manipulation (Changed the plot of the MLP manga; popping in from outside the 4th wall, where Twilight could not see Discord, but Pinkie could)

• Year of the Tiger animation just ended with 8-Bit doing a countdown because the history of the animation was too long to a single video.

That's never a reason for 8-bit make clip go to end

• That's why its separated in two parts. Even if that wasn't the case, year of the tiger animation is non-canon. Like, what the heck is Barley doing in China, if he is a regular barman of Starr Park?

1. It because Starr Park control minds of Brawlers/Employees to do what they want.
2. Due to above, it's canon.
3. Also, in fact, Brawlers are fighting with each other all the time.

• Now Edgar got fired from Starr Park and now acts like Orochimaru?

He don't get fired, but Starr Park control his mind to let him do what they want

Does this even exist? How will you qualify this in the wiki, since we don't have this ability? I think its better you just leave Gray's projectiles as a via to non-physical interaction

It's Void Manipulation

Void Manipulation, also known as Nothingness Manipulation is the ability to control and manipulate a void: nothingness or non-existence.

 

[David_Is_Goat]

No it's not video from someone play game, it's Ruffs's animation

Is a showcase of season 5 brawl pass tbh. Even though is from Brawl Stars ofc yt channel, its literally a gameplay showing season 5 skins. Im not disagreeing on sub-relativistic speed for them. Im just saying that doing a scale like this is acceptable, but unnecessary as we can just simply claim they can react to Colonel Ruffs' Suply Drop.

You can see that they are turning it from a cartoon to an Anime drawing or 3-D to 2-D, and etc... Which is not even Biological Manipulation. There many characters has Plot Manipulation due to same thing

I never said than it is Biological manipulation.

"Plot Manipulation is the ability to create, destroy, or control the plot that governs reality. Commonly found in metafictional stories, the plot can be understood as a fundamental aspect of reality once one views that reality as fictional"

Changing the style of drawing doesn't qualify as plot manipulation but more like a type of reality manipulation. Even so, is not Brawlers triggering this. Just like the example you gave (Gumball and Discord), they directly affect the timeline, erasing and changing the story events.

That's never a reason for 8-bit make clip go to end

Why not? The countdown was the time for the brawlers teleport to that one arena we saw in Year of the tiger animation part 2.

1. It because Starr Park control minds of Brawlers/Employees to do what they want
2. Due to above, it's canon.

1. I forgot bout this
2. How? You said than all of lore and shorts are canon. But soem animations in specific are meant to be non-canon. So now 8-Bit created a whole island-sized virtual arena? Season 2 megacity events are canon now (despite i agree a bit with this)? What about Angels vs Demons? Spongebob Event? CyberBrawl?

It's Void Manipulation

ah...

For sure disagree with the Kenji short being usable and canon. Highly doubt its meant to be taken seriously like that.

YT shorts from brawl stars channel are canon. Even the tall melodie short is meant to be canon, as during Brawl Stars MOBA gamemode animation Collete created the #makemelodieshortagain trend

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[Arceus0x]

Outliers, disagree.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Is a showcase of season 5 brawl pass tbh. Even though is from Brawl Stars ofc yt channel, its literally a gameplay showing season 5 skins. Im not disagreeing on sub-relativistic speed for them. Im just saying that doing a scale like this is acceptable, but unnecessary as we can just simply claim they can react to Colonel Ruffs' Suply Drop.

It's not gameplay, It's just our opinion of them as if they are characters to play with but in reality, they look like 2-D characters like when Lumi, Draco and El Primo in Knockout or when Edgar, Griff and Collette in Brawl Arena

I never said than it is Biological manipulation.

"Plot Manipulation is the ability to create, destroy, or control the plot that governs reality. Commonly found in metafictional stories, the plot can be understood as a fundamental aspect of reality once one views that reality as fictional"

Changing the style of drawing doesn't qualify as plot manipulation but more like a type of reality manipulation. Even so, is not Brawlers triggering this.

I think this makes sense

Just like the example you gave (Gumball and Discord), they directly affect the timeline, erasing and changing the story events.

Tho, change stroy events is Causality Manipulation

Why not? The countdown was the time for the brawlers teleport to that one arena we saw in Year of the tiger animation part 2.

And I can see that this is also because of the 8-bit and this is still Plot Manipulation

1. I forgot bout this

2. How? You said than all of lore and shorts are canon. But soem animations in specific are meant to be non-canon. So now 8-Bit created a whole island-sized virtual arena? Season 2 megacity events are canon now (despite i agree a bit with this)? What about Angels vs Demons? Spongebob Event? CyberBrawl?

1. So? This doesn't mean that this isn't Canon, especially since Brawlers are classified as fighters who are always fighting and preparing for life. He actually changed entire arena into game/virtual. Angels vs Demons is canon since this event in Starr Park. Spongebob Event is canon, since Spongebob Characters was merge with the Brawlers who were in Starr Park. Cyber Brawl aren't event in Starr Park. Also this place was on Starr Park map

YT shorts from brawl stars channel are canon. Even the tall melodie short is meant to be canon, as during Brawl Stars MOBA gamemode animation Collete created the #makemelodieshortagain trend

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Good point

 

[David_Is_Goat]

Outliers, disagree.

Bro brought two feats with almost same tier (This is valid according to our wiki). How is this outlier?

if a character with several city destruction feats is shown to be able to destroy a mountain, we cannot necessarily consider it as an outlier, for the reason that the jump between tiers is not extreme enough to be so, despite the jump between energy values we attribute to them. If the character has very few feats, we can likely ignore this point.

 

[Arceus0x]

Bro brought two feats with almost same tier (This is valid according to our wiki). How is this outlier?

Not the same tier, the second one didn't even destroy a tree so it doesn't matter what the tier is as the feat is broken. Outlier.

 

[David_Is_Goat]

Not the same tier, the second one didn't even destroy a tree so it doesn't matter what the tier is as the feat is broken. Outlier.

This is due to the cartoony nature of the verse. Ultimate-Rex1 already explained this in this crt. You should read what others argue in a crt instead of just leaving your opinion

 

[Arceus0x]

This is due to the cartoony nature of the verse. Ultimate-Rex1 already explained this in this crt. You should read what others argue in a crt instead of just leaving your opinion

Yeah and that argument sucks. If a large planet level does not destroy a planet it isn't a large planet level feat. The toon characters with tier 5 feats actually do tier 5 stuff. This isn't a tier 5 feat.

 

[David_Is_Goat]

Yeah and that argument sucks. If a large planet level does not destroy a planet it isn't a large planet level feat. The toon characters with tier 5 feats actually do tier 5 stuff. This isn't a tier 5 feat.

Y'know than for a character being Large Planet level doesn't mean he necessarily needs to destroy a giant planet, but show an amount of power equivalent to 3.8 Yottatons - 16.512 Ronnatons, right?? I already said this due to the fact Brawl Stars works with toon force and cartoon physics, and then you just pulled a "that argument sucks". Even if you don't agree, you can argue than Brawl Stars earth is way too big to be completely destroyed by the explosion. You're negating a feat just because is not destroying what its tier suggests

 

[David_Is_Goat]

It's not gameplay, It's just our opinion of them as if they are characters to play with but in reality, they look like 2-D characters like when Lumi, Draco and El Primo in Knockout or when Edgar, Griff and Collette in Brawl Arena

Let's just forget this. Both scalings (mine and yours) are right. No reason for discussing this.

So? This doesn't mean that this isn't Canon, especially since Brawlers are classified as fighters who are always fighting and preparing for life.

I don't want to be rude, but that means nothing. Most of your explanation for some animations being canon are non-sensical. Spongebob event transformed Brawlers into Spongebob characters permanently, which didn't happend cannonically. Events happening on Starr Park doesn't proof canonicity to the main timeline.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Let's just forget this. Both scalings (mine and yours) are right. No reason for discussing this.

I don't want to be rude, but that means nothing. Most of your explanation for some animations being canon are non-sensical. Spongebob event transformed Brawlers into Spongebob characters permanently, which didn't happend cannonically. Events happening on Starr Park doesn't proof canonicity to the main timeline.

I checked Spongebob event it's not on Starr Park. If it's on Starr Park then it's canon, since Starr Park events, are on main timeline .

 

[David_Is_Goat]

Bump

 

[OrangeFR]

I think that the 5-A should get it’s own calc, as the moon isn’t totally destroyed, it looks to me like only about half of it got destroyed

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Minor Bump.

 

[David_Is_Goat]

Bump (this crt is dead lol)

 

[AyOgUyS]

You can see that they are turning it from a cartoon to an Anime drawing or 3-D to 2-D, and etc... Which is not even Biological Manipulation. There many characters has Plot Manipulation due to same thing

I see no reason why this shouldn't just be Dimensional Manipulation rather than actual Plot Manipulation

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I see no reason why this shouldn't just be Dimensional Manipulation rather than actual Plot Manipulation

DM is for manipulated dimensions (like 3-D or 4-D or 2-D) directly not just change reality to something like Cartoon or Anime

 

[AyOgUyS]

DM is for manipulated dimensions (like 3-D or 4-D or 2-D) directly not just change reality to something like Cartoon or Anime

"You can see that they are turning it from a cartoon to an Anime drawing or 3-D to 2-D"
You yourself r saying it is changing of dimensionality

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

"You can see that they are turning it from a cartoon to an Anime drawing or 3-D to 2-D"
You yourself r saying it is changing of dimensionality

They change it like anime, which is a form of 2-D Animation not 2-D space/time

 

[AyOgUyS]

They change it like anime, which is a form of 2-D Animation not 2-D space/time

So they are just changing how things look? Not Plot Manipulation, more like Matter Manip, Perception Manip, etc.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

So they are just changing how things look? Not Plot Manipulation, more like Matter Manip, Perception Manip, etc.

This is Reality Warping with Plot Manipulation since it affect show/game

 

[AyOgUyS]

This is Reality Warping with Plot Manipulation since it affect show/game

Didn't you just say all it does is change how stuff looks

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Didn't you just say all it does is change how stuff looks

Bruh, i say

DM is for manipulated dimensions (like 3-D or 4-D or 2-D) directly not just change reality to something like Cartoon or Anime

Like Draco make the eating plaza turned into a treasure-filled cave and turned the Brawlers into something like people from middle Ages

 

[AyOgUyS]

Bruh, i say

Like Draco make the eating plaza turned into a treasure-filled cave and turned the Brawlers into something like people from middle Ages

How about you send me the link where this "plot manip" happens

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

How about you send me the link where this "plot manip" happens

• 8-Bit ended the video.
• Brawlers can make their own show

Should be noted Brawlers are shown to be toon characters and they know about this.

• Fourth Wall Awareness: Brawlers know that they are in a video game, with them referring to the game's title repeatedly, treats their reality as a game they have to "grind", acknowledging the existence of lagging and game mechanics such as the Trophy system. Gameplay mechanics such as Bounty stars are physically visible for Brawlers, and Brawlers can look at the gameplay HUD up in the sky. The Bad Randoms, a fictional music group in-universe consisting of Buzz, Stu and Poco, can write songs about the game itself, and also suggest they can see the HUD in Gem Grab that tells everyone how many gems each team has. Majority of Meeple's voicelines talk about them being in a video game. Brawlers can interact with the panels they are in, moving them around and creating new ones. Brawlers can shatter the screen. Brawlers are capable of physically existing and interacting with the community managers of the game.

 

[AyOgUyS]

• 8-Bit ended the video.
• Brawlers can make their own show

Should be noted Brawlers are shown to be toon characters and they know about this.

This is literally just a 3 2 1 ready screen and then everything turns black? This doesn't prove anything.

There's not a single moment where anyone actually changes the plot this is just a bunch of animations of Brawlers doing things.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

This is literally just a 3 2 1 ready screen and then everything turns black? This doesn't prove anything.

There's not a single moment where anyone actually changes the plot this is just a bunch of animations of Brawlers doing things.

I change it to Reality Warping anyway

 

[AyOgUyS]

I change it to Reality Warping anyway

I have problems with even that but fine

 

[Clockluckdoo]

4-C; In this short, Kenji is capable of slicing various things, eventually ending with him slicing cuts into the Sun which results in it blowing up. Now, here's how this will be interpreted because this is a little weird.

Wouldn't this gonna give Kenji MFTL?(Either to Attack or travel speed), since his Super move into the sun in a few seconds.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Wouldn't this gonna give Kenji MFTL?(Either to Attack or travel speed), since his Super move into the sun in a few seconds.

This CRT is died, I would needs to make new one for more feats

 

[Clockluckdoo]

This CRT is died, I would needs to make new one for more feats

Oh. Well hope the next one do better.