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Four Shades Boundary/Conceptual Manipulation

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Mbpoops said:
bro this is YOUR scan. birds, beasts, flowers, grass and trees all have life and this is also supported in the scan because humans are right after this 😭
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Bro, you even misunderstood the context 😭, yeah, after the primordial one came, he creating the bird, tree , etc and new life was created, because the order had been established.
 
Furina003 said:
Bro, you even misunderstood the context 😭, yeah, after the primordial one came, he creating the bird, tree , etc and new life was created, because the order had been established.
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and the primordial one existed before the shades and so did these concepts
 
Mbpoops said:
and the primordial one existed before the shades and so did these concepts
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The concepts existed before them is literally irrelevant, because this is Concept Alteration we're talking about, not concept creation. They redefined those concepts from something that was not separated and not yet defined to identify as them, to something that we know today. Living beings are bound by time and space, and also have boundary between life and death.
 
Mbpoops said:
and the primordial one existed before the shades and so did these concepts
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What are you talking about, my friend? Read the previous comment again. During the era of the three moon goddesses, the boundaries between life and death never existed. That's why the creatures there existed as free will, not living beings.

Through these 4 shades, the primordial one sets boundaries, because these 4 shades are emanations/projections of the primordial one's will.

Life was created after the primordial arrived and defined the boundaries. That's why the three moon goddesses acknowledged that the order in the primordial one was never established by the Nibelungs (the rulers of the old world).

yeah i've given up on this CRT, i'll leave it to sahl, whether he wants to continue or close it
 
Depend on context, some boundary manipulation do invoke conceptual manipulation, some can be law manipulation or even logic manipulation

That why i said, the best thing one could argue CM hax here is the scan about the boundary between life and death, but again from all the evidence it seems like just law hax, as life and death are pretty much the same in the old era and now, just operate differently under different system, the definition of what is life and what is death is mostly stay the same
 
It being on a local scale is so awfully odd to me though. It’s likely just being used as an analogy for something the same way erosion was being used
 
SuperNova55555 said:
It being on a local scale is so awfully odd to me though. It’s likely just being used as an analogy for something the same way erosion was being used
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Genshin always had these type of problem mainly, that's why I always argued how like the other franchise operates on an universal scale in which I still find it weird that these concepts operate on the same way as CSM when they really shouldn't because the former is universal and the latter is local. There really should be a differentiation here because there's no way we are saying they're equal when CSM's scale is exclusively limited to planetary at best imo (and Genshin)
 
Voidnether said:
Genshin always had these type of problem mainly, that's why I always argued how like the other franchise operates on an universal scale in which I still find it weird that these concepts operate on the same way as CSM when they really shouldn't because the former is universal and the latter is local. There really should be a differentiation here because there's no way we are saying they're equal when CSM's scale is exclusively limited to planetary at best imo (and Genshin)
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Make a thread on it. Not important here tho
 
Vietthai96 said:
as life and death are pretty much the same in the old era and now, just operate differently under different system, the definition of what is life and what is death is mostly stay the same
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It's not the same bruh, like how much time do i need to tell you?
You're just assuming that because it looks like just a normal living thing in the old world, while the evidences says otherwise.

If Life and Death are the same as the one from the old world of teyvat, then Birth is no different than Death and vice versa, which is NOT the case here.
 
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Like bruh, this is pretty much blatant to tell you that Life and Death are not the same as the old one because they're not different to the moons.
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It is only no difference to the moon, which can be argued to be normalism, idealism
 
Yeah, because of what? Because the moons came from the old world and were never taught by Dragon King Nibelung what's the differences between both of them. Neither does the other aspects. Like you're just assuming they're the same because oh it looks like the same because the old ones just living normally which literally nothing in the game says so but says the otherwise instead.
 
Like people would literally look at you DEAD IN THE EYE and say Life and Death are pretty much the same in both era, while you got Nicole literally emphasize "
In that era" "There WAS no"
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Sahlwrld said:
Because the moons came from the old world and were never taught by Dragon King Nibelung what's the differences between both of them
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So that mean the Moons were never taught by Nibelung about the difference between what is life and what is death, thus leading them to not really be able to distinguish those two things?. That is pretty much bunk your argument for CM
 
Vietthai96 said:
So that mean the Moons were never taught by Nibelung about the difference between what is life and what is death, thus leading them to not really be able to distinguish those two things?. That is pretty much bunk your argument for CM
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And see how you think that's just for the moons' thoughts? Because that's what the old concept of Life and Death are in the old world which was previously governed by them. Nothing says they are the same, that's just Your assumption just because they both looks normal or the same.
 
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