ShionAH
He/Him- 14,801
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- Main Evidence
Stiker can catch a flying Stolas before he could get away
- Supporting Evidence
Adam and Lucifer consistently react to eachother flying
"SUCK MY HOLY LIGHT FCKERS!
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Not to mention that when they "bleed", they release some weird yellow liquid, which I doubt it being literal light, as it'd imply that it has mass.charlie was talking about what they were made of, being made of light doesn't always mean you move that fast, doesn't help that it might just be talking about their allignment/motivations as angels appear to be physical as well rather than energy based.
Lucifer is faster than Stolas while flying and Adam catches him several timesi think this one's fine since they are the god tiers of the verse, the others could maybe scale in reactions but i don't recall them fighting him when he is as serious as he was against lucifer, so maybe a "likely" or "possibly"
I mean he was dicking around but he was still trying to dodge Adam, when Adam catches him I think you can even see Lucifer being surprisedLucifer was also dicking around the entire fight
Thats also fair, maybe it’ll only scale to Gos tiersAs for FTL... there are 9 entire tiers of speed in-between Hypersonic+ and FTL.
You can dodge a guy much slower then you without going over the speed of light you knowI mean he was dicking around but he was still trying to dodge Adam, when Adam catches him I think you can even see Lucifer being surprised
Yeah it ain't gonna scale to anybody lower because the the best calced feat for them is Hypersonic+ lolThats also fair, maybe it’ll only scale to Gos tiers
I'd be surprised too if I had underestimated a guy's speed and he caught what I thought was me going much faster!Adam still caught him several times surprising Lucifer
Idk maybe a likely rating?
That's not evidence that they scale to flight speed.
Per out travel speed sectionHow can Strike catch him when Stolas is FTL?
You have to prove that Stolas was at their maximum or top speed when it happened. Otherwise they just scale to their combat speed, since the statistics are already separatedIf a character travels or flies very fast through a very empty terrain, in which it doesn't necessarily have to react to sudden obstacles, the speed in question is travel or flight speed, but not necessarily reaction speed. In order for it to also be reaction speed, and the speed in total hence applying to the character's combat speed, the character either must have demonstrated the ability to react to sudden obstacles while traveling at this speed, have a calculation made that supports the character having corresponding reaction speed/time or otherwise demonstrate having comparable reactions.
Simply being able to stop accurately at the target destination does typically not qualify, as it can be spotted from a large distance to make preparations to stop or the character could even slow down before reaching the destination, assuming we only know the average speed with which they moved.
The typical example of such cases of travel/flight speed that doesn't necessarily scale to reactions is space travel. As space is incredibly empty there are virtually no objects one has to navigate around between destinations. Just flying in a straight line from A to B would be safe. At the same time the typical destinations, such as stars and planets, are so large that they can easily be seen from millions of kilometers away. As a result a character would only need reactions equal to a miniscule fraction of their travel speed to perform a safe and precise landing on t
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Being serious or not serious isn't a qualification. You have to show that the character was at their top speed for the scaling to work out.He was more serious in this scene
Stolas was flying for his life. In the other feat he was singing with his daughter.Being serious or not serious isn't a qualification. You have to show that the character was at their top speed for the scaling to work out.
A Tier 4 explosion was about to occur next to him, he definitely flew to save his life in that scene as well.In the other feat he was singing with his daughter.
He already calculated it. You really think Stolas would go there WITH HIS DAUGHTER when it was THAT dangerous?A Tier 4 explosion was about to occur next to him, he definitely flew to save his life in that scene as well.
That's not evidence of him being at his top speed. You have to showcase him either moving at a comparable speed as his FTL feat or have a statement where he's going as fast as he can.Stolas was flying for his life.
The fact that in one scene he is calm and singing while the other one he is feeling for his life. Isnt this context very obviously show Stolas was going as fast he can?You have to showcase him either moving at a comparable speed as his FTL feat or have a statement where he's going as fast as he can.
No, since the point of travel speed is that it's a acceleration type of speed over a empty space where the character doesn't need to make quick or rapid movements.Isnt this context very obviously show Stolas was going as fast he can?
Isn't this the same guy who went to an amusement park with his daughter knowing there would be hitmen who were going to try to kill him (and didn't bother to leave that place despite the times they almost killed him)?He already calculated it. You really think Stolas would go there WITH HIS DAUGHTER when it was THAT dangerous?
This point is fair enough. I'm neutral at the moment, it still may be an outlier.He obviously knew when he could get out since he seemed very calm, while against Striker he was fleeing for his life.
He knew he could handle them if he wanted to, he was not killing all the hitmen since he wanted Blitz to save him.Isn't this the same guy who went to an amusement park with his daughter knowing there would be hitmen who were going to try to kill him (and not bothering to leave despite the times they almost killed him)?
Its flight speed not travel unless theres a rule saying they are the sameNo, since the point of travel speed is that it's a acceleration type of speed over a empty space where the character doesn't need to make quick or rapid movements.
I mean, yeahIts flight speed not travel unless theres a rule saying they are the same
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Speed#Regarding_Travel/Flight_Feats_and_Reactions
With a statement. Considering he was indoors and making constant turns vs flying in a straight line in outer-space already makes the two scenes nearly incomparable.how exactly are you supposed to prove that he is going FTL in that situation
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i legit forgot and ngl i would not have questioned it at this point (i hate heeeer)Wife, but I agree with you
that makes no sense, in what context would someone give a statement that would make that compatible? him flying while wanting to avoid being killed is already enough to assume he was going full speedWith a statement. Considering he was indoors and making constant turns vs flying in a straight line in outer-space already makes the two scenes nearly incomparable.
"I'm going my top speed" is something simple and a easy example is Smallville Impulse saying that Superman's top speed is only his cruising speed, which would allow him to scale to Superman's flight speed.that makes no sense, in what context would someone give a statement that would make that compatible? him flying while wanting to avoid being killed is already enough to assume he was going full speed
Because its a cluttered environment and it means it doesn't fit the travel speed scaling rules I laid out before.why would it matter if he was indoors too?
Someone should really make a CRT to remove that calc, but it's not the time for that. Disagree FRA.
Now for the supporting evidence. Being made out of light doesn't necessarily make you lightspeed, especially if said light doesn't fit the criteria to be lightspeed (tho I find the whole idea of them to be actually light questionable).Charlie stated that Angels are "beings of pure light"
- Supporting Evidence
Adam and Lucifer consistently react to eachother flying
"SUCK MY HOLY LIGHT FCKERS!