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Garou Vs Naruto

Unironically someone who can keep up with Garou and make his determination waver by making him reflect on his edgy behaviour could take the Saitama route for beating him.
(Since god isn't there)
 
AP
  • Garou: 69.44 Exatons
  • Naruto: >199.25 Exatons
Naruto is 2.869x stronger in a inferior form. In a superior form he was half of a 403.41 Exaton feat and probably got strong enough to be closer to the original value with more of his Kurama amps. So we're more likely looking at a 5.8x AP advantage for Naruto or at least one that he can achieve if he gets enough nature energy.

Lifting
  • Garou: Preformed a 2,871,193,218,967,155,456,000,000 Newton feat
  • Naruto: Upscaling from a 697,358,403,000,000 kilogram feat and a 8.4297552e+14 Newton feat
Garou is 419,841,829.3x times stronger than Naruto. For a scale reference, that gap is the same as the average weight of a wolverine and the weight of the Great Pyrimad of Giza.

In other words Naruto is completely and utterly demolished in close quarters combat. The advantage Garou has means his pinky can likely outlift Naruto's entire body strength by multiple orders of magnitude.

Skillz

Naruto has a lot of training and experience, but really most of his skill is smart battle tactics and adapting to the situation. He never gits gud and out hand-to-hands his opponent. Garou on the other hand does and does so against nearly every single person he goes against. He adapts, he makes new combat moves and he out skills people with decades more experience than Naruto while asleep.

Hax

  • Paralysis Inducement vs Garou: Well Naruto has never used this ability, but assuming for whatever reason he does Garou's reactive evolution is probably fast enough to counter it before something major happens. Though it can trip him up and that might lead to something
  • Durability Negation (Rasenshuriken/Frog Punch) vs Garou: The rasenshuriken attacks at the Cellular level. The issue for Garou is this weird area of where he has resistance to attacks on this level since he's immune to Ugly's acid which attacks on a similar scale, but Ugly is also notably weaker than Naruto
  • Extrasensory Perception (Naruto): Naruto has a danger sense and has the ability to see attacks from his blind spot. But he doesn't have precognition. Considering its speed equalized (at the start) this is an important advantage but might not keep up after enough time
  • Corrosion vs Garou: While Kurama poisons those it touches, its not automatically lethal and going by some novel stuff its more about killing off cells. As before it might not work on Garou considering his similar scale resistances but I can't confirm that. However considering his endurance and ability to shrug off far worse injuries along with his reactive evolution its not a weakness I see lasting for all that long
  • TSBs vs Garou: Now the TSBs are the area that this Garou would have zero resistance to and can easily inflict lethal damage. That is if.... Naruto would ever use them offensively like Madara did. Now to be fair, he was fighting people immune to the TSBs normally, but to my knowledge Naruto has zero showings of actually using TSBs in an offensive manner
  • Durability Negation (Various Martial Arts) vs Naruto: Naruto has no resistance to this. The range of his shockwaves far outscale Naruto and the Kurama avatar. If this was just the Sky Ripping Fist the cloak being present would be a completely valid defense. But Fa Jin has shockwaves that extend for tens, hundreds and even thousands of kilometers all with the same effect
  • Clones: Naruto can make clones of himself that have all of his stats (albeit at a reduced scale). A major advantage since Naruto already has an AP advantage and sending a clone out to gather more chakra is something Garou might not even effectively pick up from the start.

Conclusion

Overall I feel that this hastily made paint image sums up the fight in my view.

Naruto's best chance to win is from the jump and the longer the fight goes on the worse and worse his chances becomes. I mention this because the current arc has featured Garou going from Tier 7 to 5-C within what amounts to be like eight hours and most of those eight hours he was passed out in a BDSM dungeon. Garou jumped from Tier 6 to Tier 5 within one drawn out fight.

So this is my ultimate point: Naruto has multiple win conditions. His magnetic seal, a full blown TBB Rasenshuriken, a amped Kurama Avatar, clone spam and the TSBs are all win options. But their win options that Garou can dodge, reflect, prevent or will eventually out physical (like how when Naruto spammed to many clones and they were all blitzed by Kaguya).

If you believe a in-character Naruto can hit his win conditions before Garou adapts then he has plenty of ways to win. But if Garou can just last long enough or land a single solid Fa Jin then its more or less over there.

In the end I sorta favor Garou to win. Because I feel like a in-character Naruto gimps himself to much while Garou doesn't. But its a hesistant win in my view and would only be like 6/10 or something. Since a solid hit with a rasenshuriken can quickly snowball into death and he has zero counters to a TSB touching his face or something.
 
Cryo123 said:
I don't want to be rude, but this is basic 3rd grade physics, don't act like it isn't. If a shockwave hits you, of course it's going to continue on and pass through your body until it runs out of. That's how shockwaves travel in the first place, by carrying their energy through molecules/atoms, which shake and transfer that energy to all adjacent matter. For example, if I punch a solid wall, and you have your hands on it, the energy is still passing through the metal into your body. In this case, not much, you may only notice it on your fingers, but it's still made its way to your body.
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I mean you may as well give Saitama and everyone who has the ability to create shockwaves via pure AP durability negation because of this. The trigger for the shockwaves to directly enter Naruto's insides is that Garou has to make contact with the body. That's how his techniques work.
 
No it isn't as shown above. Fa Jin doesn't need direct contact, Saitama doesn't get durability negation because his aren't stated to effect the insides of the opponent unlike Garou's.
 
Kin201 said:
I mean you may as well give Saitama and everyone who has the ability to create shockwaves via pure AP durability negation because of this. The trigger for the shockwaves to directly enter Naruto's insides is that Garou has to make contact with the body. That's how his techniques work.
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The difference is one is specifically stated to work that way. I mean by all technicality if the Fa Jin didn't hurt the enemy, it wouldn't do anything as the shockwave would be harmless, but clerly Garou's doing something different that makes these shockwaves more lethal, so it's no the same thing.
 
I believe Garou wins this one. Naruto doesn't have the haxs or the analysis prediction that Sasuke has with the Sharingan and the Amaterasu, and he has no real ability to use genjutsu, meaning that he'd have to go straight to hand-to-hand combat. Technically, speed could be unequalized here since both of them have comparable speed, but Garou is almost 2x faster, though that would just make the match in even greater favor of Garou.

In this key, Naruto does have his Truth Seeking Orbs which have many haxs, but he doesn't use the orbs too often in combat or as his first option. He used them to block some of Sasuke's attacks and then as part of the final attack to stop Sasuke's Indra Arrow, but he mostly relies on his Kurama Avatar for combat. Anyway, Naruto could still win with his Kurama Avatar, his multiple types of Rasenshurikens, TSOs, and the Magnet release, but I feel that by the time Naruto gets around to using those, Garou will have already adapted and overcome Naruto.

Sage Mode is supposed to give Naruto enhanced senses and the ability to better predict and read the movements of his opponents, and those senses are only increased with Six Paths Sage Mode. Problem is that the extent of those senses were never really established, unlike the move-reading capabilities of the Sharingan. So I don't think those would be as much help against an opponent with significantly higher fighting experience than Naruto.
 
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CiscoTheSoto said:
Sage Mode is supposed to give Naruto enhanced senses and the ability to better predict and read the movements of his opponents, and those senses are only increased with Six Paths Sage Mode. Problem is that the extent of those senses were never really established, unlike the move-reading capabilities of the Sharingan. So I don't think those would be as much help against an opponent with significantly higher fighting experience than Naruto.
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Don't forget about KCM allowing him to predict your every move just by sensing your emotions. Also i wouldn't say Garou has significantly higher fighting experience than Naruto when he's only a year older than him but I'm pretty sure Naruto has been fighting ever since he was like 7 or 8. Also, Naruto has literally swapped hands with Sasuke and landed several blows on him despite him having the Sharingan and Rinnegan so he's used to fighting people with full on Precog that adds the opponent's fighting style to their own so Garou is not new in that sense.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Don't forget about KCM allowing him to predict your every move just by sensing your emotions. Also i wouldn't say Garou has significantly higher fighting experience than Naruto when he's only a year older than him but I'm pretty sure Naruto has been fighting ever since he was like 7 or 8. Also, Naruto has literally swapped hands with Sasuke and landed several blows on him despite him having the Sharingan and Rinnegan so he's used to fighting people with full on Precog that adds the opponent's fighting style to their own so Garou is not new in that sense.
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But an opponent that continues to grow stronger and faster exponentially, in only a matter of seconds in real time is. To my knowledge at least.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Don't forget about KCM allowing him to predict your every move just by sensing your emotions. Also i wouldn't say Garou has significantly higher fighting experience than Naruto when he's only a year older than him but I'm pretty sure Naruto has been fighting ever since he was like 7 or 8. Also, Naruto has literally swapped hands with Sasuke and landed several blows on him despite him having the Sharingan and Rinnegan so he's used to fighting people with full on Precog that adds the opponent's fighting style to their own so Garou is not new in that sense.
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I admit that would give him an advantage, and I think it would allow him to fight Garou for an extended period of time, but he's not very ruthless in combat and doesn't go for the kill right at the start. So by the time he starts using his more lethal options, Garou will have already increased his power to the point that he can dodge and predict his attacks or just use his strongest moves to dissipate the Kurama Avatar with the sheer power behind it.
 
I think by the time Naruto has decided that Lethal Action is the correct choice he'll start using the TSOs a lot more liberally because the only reason he didn't hit people directly with them in the War Arc is because the people he fought resisted them and he wasn't trying to kill Sasuke. He could just pull an Obito and make a full body shield out of them that erases Garou as soon as he hits it.
 
As soon as the battle for Naruto begins, he uses clone + rasengan to analyze the opponent. Thus, he will measure Garou's strength and when he realizes that he is insufficient, he will definitely apply to the tso (for example, a very big attack comes directly in sasuke vs. and he responds with tso)
 
Halkum145 said:
As soon as the battle for Naruto begins, he uses clone + rasengan to analyze the opponent. Thus, he will measure Garou's strength and when he realizes that he is insufficient, he will definitely apply to the tso (for example, a very big attack comes directly in sasuke vs. and he responds with tso)
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I mean Garou starts off weaker, so he would have no reason to go for the instakill option until it was too late.

Edit: (Get it? Instakill, like Flashy Flash's weapon?)
 
Halkum145 said:
As soon as the battle for Naruto begins, he uses clone + rasengan to analyze the opponent. Thus, he will measure Garou's strength and when he realizes that he is insufficient, he will definitely apply to the tso (for example, a very big attack comes directly in sasuke vs. and he responds with tso)
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Garou can also go for the OHKO tho
 
Even with the new upgrades, I don't really see why this match has to be removed. Though there is still a remarkable gap in power, at least x15, Garou has potent regenerative abilities and a significant reactive evolution would still allow him to evolve or at least keep up long enough to bridge the gap.
 
CiscoTheSoto said:
Even with the new upgrades, I don't really see why this match has to be removed. Though there is still a remarkable gap in power, at least x15, Garou has potent regenerative abilities and a significant reactive evolution would still allow him to evolve or at least keep up long enough to bridge the gap.
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Pretty sure that garou it's at his peak and really can't evolve further that much (kinda the point of the match against saitama)
 
6paths naruto uses TSOs in ALOT of his attacks won't that instantly end the fight? Also if garou does adapt to be stronger then naruto, naruto has amps like boil release and the 3 headed avatar which was enough of an amp to match sasuke who basically absorbed a 10 tails
 
Kidkinsey said:
6paths naruto uses TSOs in ALOT of his attacks won't that instantly end the fight?
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TSOs only have their destruction properties in their raw forms don't they? Like Toneri and Naruto's TSOs that were used in other jutsu didn't feature the same properties as just the raw TSOs.
 
Kidkinsey said:
Toneris tsos didn't neg naruto because he has 6 paths chakra/ 6 paths senjutsu
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But when they whiff they just fragment rock rather than annihilate them. Same with some of Naruto's attacks against Madara's meteors.
 
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