Genshin scale stuff

[PedjaTarzan]

Today i will give the verse fresh haircut and trim 7-A off
Starting with main point:
7-A comes from Shenhes and Traveler scaling to each other, with Traveler then scaling to ganyu due to this statement: and supposedly being able to stop tsunami which is an What If scenario?
which then Traveler scales to Tartaglia and this turns into spiral that never ends.
So whats wrong with it?
1st
Traveler doesnt scale to shenhe, nor to Biesht
Traveler was one shot by Biesht before joining the battle when it got Weakened to a near death state.
Ganyu doesnt scale to Shenhe because theres no connection to those 2 outside being trained by same Person.
And that basically makes 7-A unscalable to anyone bar Shenhe Xianyun and Xiao.
The scaling will be divided in three parts
High 8C (or 8B bcs updated evaluation is from banned bro) for charactsrs like Mitachurls, Abyss Mages,Lawachurls and Characters who are comparable or can beat them
7-C: For Liyue Traveler scaling off Primo geovishap, Tartaglia, Ganyu and majority of Mondstadt cast thanks to this thread.
7-B: Inazuma Traveler scaling off Thunderbird,Signora, Alhaitham/Cyno, Balladeer
Then Fontaine Arc Tartaglia and Clorinde (thats literally it ) since they have fought each other
Everyone else post Sumeru/Inazuma will remain high 8-C/7C depending on their feats/statements
and this is it lol.

 

[LoudestProcedure]

Ganyu was also about to freeze it herself before shenhe did the job for her

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Ganyu was also about to freeze it herself before shenhe did the job for her

this is entirely what if scenario in which we dont know the outcome

 

[Puppet43]

I would agree with Ganyu/Geo Traveler downscale
But the rest idk man (the scaling)

 

[PedjaTarzan]

I would agree with Ganyu/Geo Traveler downscale
But the rest idk man (the scaling)

elaborate bae

 

[LoudestProcedure]

this is entirely what if scenario in which we dont know the outcome

She mostly like would be able to freeze it not only that she did also fight during the archon war

 

[Puppet43]

elaborate bae

I dont wanna agree because im making some big ahhh post aboust scaling lol

 

[LoudestProcedure]

Btw I should mention I agree with everything aside from ganyu

 

[MSahla]

I wonder if this is the "Revision for genshin" that gianny talk about before he decide to quit from here.

Anyway.. Im fine with everything for now.

 

[Puppet43]

I wonder if this is the "Revision for genshin" that gianny talk about before he decide to quit from here.

Anyway.. Im fine with everything for now.

Nah, im the one doing that currently

Probably gonna release sooner that you might expect

 

[PedjaTarzan]

She mostly like would be able to freeze it not only that she did also fight during the archon war

Thats wild assumption vro
also what tier were enemies during archon war?
we dont know lmao so this type of scaling doesnt work

 

[Giannysmag]

I wonder if this is the "Revision for genshin" that gianny talk about before he decide to quit from here.

Kinda, but I wanted my approach to be a bit less haphazard

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Kinda, but I wanted my approach to be a bit less haphazard

“i quit wiki”
also bro:

 

[Giannysmag]

“i quit wiki”
also bro:

Mf you posted this on the group chat. What am I gonna do? Not look?

 

[Voidnether]

I thought this was about 6-B Traveler

 

[Puppet43]

she did also fight during the archon war

Havria was also in the Archon war... She was killed by a kitchen knife

 

[Furina003]

Traveler doesnt scale to shenhe, nor to Biesht
Traveler was one shot by Biesht before joining the battle when it got Weakened to a near death state.

it's just a matter of durability, not attack potential, after that shenhe and traveler actually fight and beist and defeat it. we also have to consider ningguang's attack which is capable of injuring beist. this will be a chain scaling

 

[InfinityTurtleHD]

I agree with the CRT. The thing about 7-A characters specifically the Mondstadt ones like Amber and Bennett is that we don't know how about much they put in their fight against the Fellflower and how they would compare against someone that could freeze a tsunami, given the factors are just too different to compare.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

it's just a matter of durability, not attack potential, after that shenhe and traveler actually fight and beist and defeat it. we also have to consider ningguang's attack which is capable of injuring beist. this will be a chain scaling

Actually i dont even know if Biesht scales to Shenhe since Biesht was weaker there, Shenhe said she can finish her alone, and 7-A comes from shenhes calc while Biesht i dont remember

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Alright found it, Biesht is 7-C+ so you can put Traveler and Ninguangg there

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks alright.

 

[Furina003]

Actually i dont even know if Biesht scales to Shenhe since Biesht was weaker there, Shenhe said she can finish her alone, and 7-A comes from shenhes calc while Biesht i dont remember

regardless of which issue is stronger. Beist proved to be able to fight with travelers and shenhe, enough to make them have trouble, even though the condition of Beist was already weakened. if based on standards here. So, I think this is enough to do scaling.

Alright found it, Biesht is 7-C+ so you can put Traveler and Ninguangg there

I think this calculation is pretty good. for now, I think it's fine.

 

[Voidnether]

regardless of which issue is stronger. Beist proved to be able to fight with travelers and shenhe, enough to make them have trouble, even though the condition of Beist was already weakened. if based on standards here. So, I think this is enough to do scaling.

It was all mostly Shenhe, she's the one who fought directly with Beisht in the end. Traveler had zero relevance other than him being bursted by Beisht, it was shown in the end that Traveler was taken care of by Ganyu, etc which means all the contributions just go to Shenhe

 

[Puppet43]

Alright found it, Biesht is 7-C+ so you can put Traveler and Ninguangg there

Nuh uh, reminder that Beisht survive Shenhe attack, should be equals

 

[Furina003]

It was all mostly Shenhe, she's the one who fought directly with Beisht in the end. Traveler had zero relevance other than him being bursted by Beisht, it was shown in the end that Traveler was taken care of by Ganyu, etc which means all the contributions just go to Shenhe

traveler helps, you can even see the dialogue (here and here), even beisht made shenhe exhausted which proves that shenhe needs quite a lot of effort to fight beisht, and beisht is not completely destroyed, she still has enough energy to escape.

I think this still meets the standards for scaling.

Character A performs a feat of destroying a city and has City level durability. Character B lost a fight to Character A, yet still put up a considerable struggle, was able to harm Character A, and made Character A exert significant effort to defeat Character B. In this case, it's safe to assess that Character B also has City level Attack Potency and Durability.

so it's fine if shenhe, beisht and traveler are placed in 7A

 

[Puppet43]

even beisht made skirk exhausted which proves that skirk needs quite a lot of effort to fight beisht, and beisht is not completely destroyed, she still has enough energy to escape.

Skirk?

so it's fine if shenhe, beisht and traveler are placed in 7A

Bro, he was oneshotted, Shenhe states to be able to handle her alone, Traveler did nothing, there no indication that traveler was dealing some damage at all, bro was there for the aura farm

 

[Furina003]

Skirk?

I've edited it, I want to say shenhe but instead I typed skirk haha

 

[Furina003]

Bro, he was oneshotted, Shenhe states to be able to handle her alone, Traveler did nothing, there no indication that traveler was dealing some damage at all, bro was there for the aura farm

Shenhe did say she could win it alone, but this doesn't deny that Traveler also helped. which proves that Traveler also fought there, Traveler was attacked only because of durability not attack potency, moreover Traveler didn't really lose, he was able to get back up and help Shenhe

 

[Puppet43]

Shenhe did say she could win it alone, but this doesn't deny that Traveler also helped. which proves that Traveler also fought there, Traveler was attacked only because of durability not attack potency, moreover Traveler didn't really lose, he was able to get back up and help Shenhe

This is the problem with jumping enemies and dont having a cutscene to proof which did the most effort

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Nuh uh, reminder that Beisht survive Shenhe attack, should be equals

Biesht didnt tank shit bro, shene LITERALLY froze tsunami and then military shot the mf down

 

[Puppet43]

Biesht didnt tank shit bro, shene LITERALLY froze tsunami and then military shot the mf down

 

[PedjaTarzan]

i cant believe you lack reading AND seeing comprehension, find me a timestamp where he tanks her 7-A attack.
All this is talking about Biesht being shot down by ballistas and then Shenhe ending the job

 

[Puppet43]

find me a timestamp where he tanks her 7-A attack.

So we are ignoring the fact that 7A comes from her cryo powers? 7A doesnt come because the tsunami magnitude but because Shenhe can unleash the exact potency to freeze the tsunami with her powers, and most characters scale to their elemental energies

 

[PedjaTarzan]

So we are ignoring the fact that 7A comes from her cryo powers? 7A doesnt come because the tsunami magnitude but because Shenhe can unleash the exact potency to freeze the tsunami with her powers, and most characters scale to their elemental energies

I still said that Biesht should not scale to Shenhe because it was Shenhe who defeated Biesht and just because it survived it does not mean it tanked shenhes attacks so basically ur scaling Biesht to something that injured her and even defeated her? how does this work?

 

[Puppet43]

I still said that Biesht should not scale to Shenhe because it was Shenhe who defeated Biesht and just because it survived it does not mean it tanked shenhes attacks so basically ur scaling Biesht to something that injured her and even defeated her? how does this work?

Dude, you dumb, straight up
Shenhe attacked monster, monster survives attack until it cant anymore
It is stated multiple times that even do defeated it was because she was kill or oneshot, she just fleed the scene, you CAN scale someone's durability if they just fleed the scene, it isnt a case were Character A is oneshotted or badly injured (Like what Signora did to Sara)

 

[OmniScalator]

Havria was also in the Archon war... She was killed by a kitchen knife

Well this reasoning doesn't mean much since havria didn't took part in war

 

[Puppet43]

Well this reasoning doesn't mean much since havria didn't took part in war

She did, she just hide away

 

[OmniScalator]

She did, she just hide away

Zhongli: But Havria instead chose to flee. She thought that by giving up before a fight could start, she could save herself and her people from the war.

Can you really consider running away before war starts as taking part in war?

 

[Puppet43]

Can you really consider running away before war starts as taking part in war?

My point still stands, not all Archon war participants have to be God tiers country lvl destroyers, and we have little evidence of Ganyu even defeating someone

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Looks good