Godzilla Ultima minor hax CRT

[CitRusReality64]

I think Godzilla should have these hax abilities on his page

• Probability Manipulation/Fate Manipulation (Constantly dreams of new possibilities and experiences endless defeats and victories. It defeated its own defeat and destroyed universes it has defeated and is unbothered and unaffected by its own countless defeats. Gathered information from other earth creatures and put itself through endless trial and error to form the best of the possible possibilities. To Godzilla, defeat is not an option, can see many paths leading to its victory and all possibilities were open to it. Can select the possibility to maximize its victory and can perceive a "great victory, hard victory, and perfect victory". Views branching possibilities as a forest created by the divergence of possibilities and can easily fend of attacks coming to its way. Destroyed the thoughts and destroyed the process that tried to betray his own determined future. Attempts to foresee every possible outcome to how they're going to defeat Godzilla, the result is always the same)
• Information Manipulation (Type 1; The bodies, minds, and memories of the Red Dust creatures are made up entirely out of information created by "It", used information gathered from other Earth creatures by previous kaiju where every possible arrangement of tissue after endless trial and error was considered to form the "best of possible possibilities")

The justification for Acausality Type 4 should also be Type 2 Acausality, since it also mentions Godzilla's future is impossible to look into and his future is unforeseeable and his destiny is unseeable (would also support Godzilla having fate manip).
That's all

 

[Arceus0x]

Disagree with probability manip. Him experiencing defeats and then winning over and over is just him making avatars again and again.
Seeing the future and possibilities is just precognition. He already has precognition and cosmic awareness which makes it work.

I'd say a better argument for type 1 info is that IT made the causal/info network that Kumonga fix up. This can work too.

I don't see how what you said is acausality type 2. At most it's just resistance to precognition, something he has.

 

[CitRusReality64]

Disagree with probability manip. Him experiencing defeats and then winning over and over is just him making avatars again and again.
Seeing the future and possibilities is just precognition. He already has precognition and cosmic awareness which makes it work.

Couldn't it just be both probability manip and that?

I'd say a better argument for type 1 info is that IT made the causal/info network that Kumonga fix up. This can work too.

Also, maybe Omega Point could have type 2 information manipulation, since it can destroy the universe which is stated to be underlined in mathematics?

I don't see how what you said is acausality type 2. At most it's just resistance to precognition, something he has.

Because his future is impossible to look into, in the Acasuality page having no future can also give type 2. It would be both resistance to precog and type 2

 

[Arceus0x]

Couldn't it just be both probability manip and that?

What's he manipulating bruv? He is seeing probability but he ain't manipulating anything.

Also, maybe Omega Point could have type 2 information manipulation, since it can destroy the universe which is stated to be underlined in mathematics?

Not enough evidence to suggest that

Because his future is impossible to look into, in the Acasuality page having no future can also give type 2. It would be both resistance to precog and type 2

Ehhh I don't think I agree. Having no future isn't the same as your future being invisible

 

[CitRusReality64]

What's he manipulating bruv? He is seeing probability but he ain't manipulating anything.

He defeated his own defeat and destroyed the thoughts and ideas that tried to go against him

Not enough evidence to suggest that

I mean, it is literally stated the universe is written in a mathematical language

Ehhh I don't think I agree. Having no future isn't the same as your future being invisible

That's fair then. I agree

 

[Arceus0x]

He defeated his own defeat and destroyed the thoughts and ideas that tried to go against him

Not literally, the thoughts and ideas were implanted by Pelops' actions through the SP and Godzilla negated them. Nothing here is probability manipulation and defeating your own defeat is well, just that, winning.

I mean, it is literally stated the universe is written in a mathematical language

And info type 2 requires far more than that as it is basically Concept hax with a different taste. If it was a reliable statement - maybe, but it was made by a scientists who would have 0 idea on how it actually worked on that level of reality.

That's fair then. I agree

K

 

[CitRusReality64]

Not literally, the thoughts and ideas were implanted by Pelops' actions through the SP and Godzilla negated them. Nothing here is probability manipulation and defeating your own defeat is well, just that, winning.

Fair

And info type 2 requires far more than that as it is basically Concept hax with a different taste. If it was a reliable statement - maybe, but it was made by a scientists who would have 0 idea on how it actually worked on that level of reality.

Fair
So, Type 1 info is fine then. Is fate manip ok?

 

[VoidGoji]

The fate hax is pretty much just its causality hax in action, dunno if it should really be separated or added as a "sub-power" under the causality stuff

 

[CitRusReality64]

The fate hax is pretty much just its causality hax in action, dunno if it should really be separated or added as a "sub-power" under the causality stuff

Or it can just be listed as "Casuality Manipulation and Fate Manipulation"

 

[CitRusReality64]

Not literally, the thoughts and ideas were implanted by Pelops' actions through the SP and Godzilla negated them.

If Godzilla negated them in the SP wouldn't that be a form of power null or mind manip then?

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Uff… so many Godzilla Singular Point threads in a row! lol

 

[Arceus0x]

Or it can just be listed as "Casuality Manipulation and Fate Manipulation"

Not really no, unless he explicitly manipulates actual fate rather than changing fate via causality manip.

If Godzilla negated them in the SP wouldn't that be a form of power null or mind manip then?

He nulled them with causality hax as well. Destroying and negating cause and effect is one of his main things.

Fair
So, Type 1 info is fine then.

Yes

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Fair
So, Type 1 info is fine then. Is fate manip ok?

Yeah

 

[Zenith_Enigma]

Fair
So, Type 1 info is fine then. Is fate manip ok?

Seems good.

 

[Eseseso]

Agree with everything except Acausality Type 2, that's just resistance to precognition.

 

[CitRusReality64]

Yes

would a better argument for IT having type 2 information manipulation be that IT created the higher dimensional Causality system, since Causality would still be like a fundamental force right?

 

[Arceus0x]

would a better argument for IT having type 2 information manipulation be that IT created the higher dimensional Causality system, since Causality would still be like a fundamental force right?

No, it was a net. We don't know how big or complex the net is, it's not some fundamental universal force.

 

[CitRusReality64]

Bump

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

I agree with Arceus0x.

 

[CitRusReality64]

bump

 

[AyOgUyS]

My thoughts are the same as Arceus0x's

 

[Zenith_Enigma]

Arceus0x makes sense to me,