Goku and Vegeta fight a giant monkey and lizard (Dragon Ball vs. MonsterVerse)

[Bossbrosish]

(Since the MonsterVerse has been 4-B for a bit now, this should be interesting.)
Resurrection of F Goku and Vegeta, Evolved Godzilla and Kong with B.E.A.S.T. Glove and his Battle Axe are being used. Goku and Vegeta start with Super Saiyan and can go up to Super Saiyan 2, and Goku can use Super Saiyan 3. Super Saiyan God & Blue are restricted. The battle takes place in Hong Kong, starting 90 meters apart, with speed equalized.

Super Saiyan Goku and Vegeta AP: 4.212 KiloFoe

• Super Saiyan 2 Goku and Vegeta AP: 8.424 KiloFoe
  • Super Saiyan 3 Goku AP: 33.696 KiloFoe

Evolved Godzilla and Kong with B.E.A.S.T. Glove AP: 24 KiloFoe

• Super Saiyan AP gap (5.6x difference in Godzilla and Kong's favor)
• Super Saiyan 2 AP gap (2.8x difference in Godzilla and Kong's favor)
• Super Saiyan 3 Goku AP AP gap (1.4x difference in Goku and Vegeta's favor)

Saiyans: 0

Titans: 4 (LephyrTheRevanchist, EnderLord8, TyranoDoom30, MannyQ361)

Frieza exterminates both: 0

 

[EnderLord8]

****, i will following this

 

[Arkansalter2]

This will be one interesting ass match. May give my imput later.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Don't Goku and Vegeta just skill stomp them?

 

[Bossbrosish]

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[Bossbrosish]

I would like to point out that Kong and Godzilla have the LS advantage, but once Goku or Vegeta use SSJ2, it should become more even

 

[Bossbrosish]

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[Arkansalter2]

Alrighty. Here we go.
Ki-Blasts won't do a damn thing to Godzilla as we can see when Zilla faced against Gidorah where he just straight ate those. His atomic breath (especially his evolved version) is going to COOK the both of them since their heat resistance scales lower than Zilla's breath.
Kong might have some issues however since he is more mobile than Godzilla, nothing is stopping him from just grabbing Goku out the sky and just crushing them.
As for Goku and Geta, both of their AP's scale a LOT lower than the Monsterverse brothers. At their peaks, they scale to about 33 Kilofoe while at Monsterverses peaks, they scale to 420 Kilofoe.
Now I'm no expert, but this is a 12x gap.

So my verdict, Zilla will be the carry of the fight. Zilla can passively emit heat and overwhelming radiation along with absorbing all of the Saiyan's Ki attacks. Getting close isn't an option since well.. Zilla can boil the oceans which requires a f*** ton of heat.

Monsterverse brothers wins, low-mid diff. Might be an interesting match but Zilla is just really strong against the Saiyans.

 

[CitRusReality64]

Alrighty. Here we go.
Ki-Blasts won't do a damn thing to Godzilla as we can see when Zilla faced against Gidorah where he just straight ate those. His atomic breath (especially his evolved version) is going to COOK the both of them since their heat resistance scales lower than Zilla's breath.
Kong might have some issues however since he is more mobile than Godzilla, nothing is stopping him from just grabbing Goku out the sky and just crushing them.
As for Goku and Geta, both of their AP's scale a LOT lower than the Monsterverse brothers. At their peaks, they scale to about 33 Kilofoe while at Monsterverses peaks, they scale to 420 Kilofoe.
Now I'm no expert, but this is a 12x gap.

So my verdict, Zilla will be the carry of the fight. Zilla can passively emit heat and overwhelming radiation along with absorbing all of the Saiyan's Ki attacks. Getting close isn't an option since well.. Zilla can boil the oceans which requires a f*** ton of heat.

Monsterverse brothers wins, low-mid diff. Might be an interesting match but Zilla is just really strong against the Saiyans.

Godzilla FRA, also Goku and Vegeta do not resist Matter Manipulation which you know.. Godzilla's atomic breath has that hax in itself

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Godzilla is only 420 Kilofoe with his strongest attack and it doesn't scale to him physically.

 

[Bossbrosish]

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[XSOULOFCINDERX]

bump

Don't bump a thread only after a few hours.

 

[Bossbrosish]

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[Arkansalter2]

Godzilla is only 420 Kilofoe with his strongest attack and it doesn't scale to him physically.

That's still beyond one shot level.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

That's still beyond one shot level.

I'm clearing that fact up because you made it sound like Goku and Vegeta literally couldn't do a damn thing to them when that's blatantly not true.

 

[Arkansalter2]

I'm clearing that fact up because you made it sound like Goku and Vegeta literally couldn't do a damn thing to them when that's blatantly not true.

Not saying they can't do nothing, but they can barely do something.

They can harm Kong freely, but not much of Goji.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Not saying they can't do nothing, but they can barely do something.

They can harm Kong freely, but not much of Goji.

Or they could just blast Goji from range and no, Ki Blasts aren't gonna get no-sold by Goji since that only worked with Ghidorah since Thermo stat stomped him into the dirt, not because he was inherently resistant to energy in general, otherwise Ghidorah's Gravity Beams wouldn't have harmed him at every other point in the movie.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Goji is absorbing to energy blasts in general. In a nutshell, Ki Manip is basically energy manipulation.
Since this is Evolved Zilla, he's pretty much eating those.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Goji is absorbing to energy blasts in general. In a nutshell, Ki Manip is basically energy manipulation.
Since this is Evolved Zilla, he's pretty much eating those.

That is not how that works, he can't just passively absorb energy attacks.

 

[Arkansalter2]

That is not how that works, he can't just passively absorb energy attacks.

Soo... this didn't happen?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Soo... this didn't happen?

He wasn't absorbing it, he was walking through it because Ghidorah couldn't hurt him.

 

[Arkansalter2]

He wasn't absorbing it, he was walking through it because Ghidorah couldn't hurt him.

What's stopping Goji from just... doing said move and incinerating the Saiyans?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

What's stopping Goji from just... doing said move and incinerating the Saiyans?

Because he doesn't do it in-character in Evo.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Because he doesn't do it in-character in Evo.

The evolved atomic breath would cook the saiyans regardless along with his passive heat.

That is not how that works, he can't just passively absorb energy attacks.

He absorbs energy period. "He feeds on energy by absorbing it through his body or siphoning it through his mouth."

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

The evolved atomic breath would cook the saiyans regardless along with his passive heat.

Evolved Goji doesn't passively cook things around him like Thermo does, otherwise literally everything would be melting around him which it doesn't.

He absorbs energy period. "He feeds on energy by absorbing it through his body or siphoning it through his mouth."

That's not a passive power, he has to deliberately activate that as noted in his P&A tabber and even then it clearly didn't help him when Ghidorah was kicking his ass with Gravity Beams.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Ghidorah was kicking his ass with Gravity Beams.

That was back then.
Since it's Evolved Godzilla, said powers are enhanced. If he activates that, then what?

Evolved Goji doesn't passively cook things around him like Thermo does, otherwise literally everything would be melting around him which it doesn't.

• Heat Generation (Passive; Godzilla can boil the water around him)
  

I get that it's Evolved Goji but since said powers are enhanced due to this key, the Saiyans are pretty much getting toasted as soon as they get close.

Not to mention the LS difference the monsterverse brothers have over the saiyans. So realistically, Kong could grab the saiyans out the air (Kong can swat helicopters out the air so he will be able to) and just crush them or bring them to godzilla for him to give them a big pink kiss.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

That was back then.
Since it's Evolved Godzilla, said powers are enhanced. If he activates that, then what?

Prove he can absorb spiritual energy like Ki first, then we'll talk.

• Heat Generation (Passive; Godzilla can boil the water around him)

I get that it's Evolved Goji but since said powers are enhanced due to this key, the Saiyans are pretty much getting toasted as soon as they get close.

As stupid as this might sound, that's water though and this effect literally never occurs in land at any time aside from when he went Thermo so I doubt it will be an issue here.

Not to mention the LS difference the monsterverse brothers have over the saiyans. So realistically, Kong could grab the saiyans out the air (Kong can swat helicopters out the air so he will be able to) and just crush them or bring them to godzilla for him to give them a big pink kiss.

Helicopters which are nowhere near as maneuverable or small as a human sized target. Not that it matters since if Kong tries this he's losing that hand from it getting exploded off from a ki explosion which is stronger than his durability.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Prove he can absorb spiritual energy like Ki first, then we'll talk.

Energy. Absorbed. Sure. Just because it's "spiritual energy" does not mean it's not energy manipulation. It's just energy manipulation in a big nutshell. If Ki attacks actually attacked the spirit of the opponent, this match probably wouldn't even exist.

As stupid as this might sound, that's water though and this effect literally never occurs in land at any time aside from when he went Thermo so I doubt it will be an issue here.

Except..

• Electrogenic Cells (He should now possess electrogenic cells that collect and release electricity in currents to such an extent that they can cause the ocean to boil and create electrical superstorms that generate a steam trail visible from space)

The Saiyans might end up getting passively cooked by Goji.

Not that it matters since if Kong tries this he's losing that hand from it getting exploded off from a ki explosion which is stronger than his durability.

Not sure where you got this from. The Monsterverse brothers have the durability over AP advantage from when Saiyans are in SS1 and 2, only getting surpassed with SS3 if we're using low end Monsterverse durability. Even then, it's only a roughly 1.37x gap if we're using the low end. That probably won't happen.

Kong also has the Battle Axe, which can get charged up by Goji's Atomic Breath. So if Kong catches the Ki attacks with said Axe, then what?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Energy. Absorbed. Sure. Just because it's "spiritual energy" does not mean it's not energy manipulation. It's just energy manipulation in a big nutshell. If Ki attacks actually attacked the spirit of the opponent, this match probably wouldn't even exist.

Except..

• Electrogenic Cells (He should now possess electrogenic cells that collect and release electricity in currents to such an extent that they can cause the ocean to boil and create electrical superstorms that generate a steam trail visible from space)

The Saiyans might end up getting passively cooked by Goji.

Let's say for a moment this is even true which I don't believe since regular people have been close to Goji a lot and he hasn't fried them before. What makes this not a stomp then and why this thread shouldn't be closed right now?

Not sure where you got this from. The Monsterverse brothers have the durability over AP advantage from when Saiyans are in SS1 and 2, only getting surpassed with SS3 if we're using low end Monsterverse durability. Even then, it's only a roughly 1.37x gap if we're using the low end. That probably won't happen.

Because their ki explosions will be constant and non-stop in the incredibly unlikely event Kong can grab them. Incredibly unlikely because they're vastly more maneuverable than he is and vastly more skilled as well.

Kong also has the Battle Axe, which can get charged up by Goji's Atomic Breath. So if Kong catches the Ki attacks with said Axe, then what?

Same as before.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Let's say for a moment this is even true which I don't believe since regular people have been close to Goji a lot and he hasn't fried them before. What makes this not a stomp then and why this thread shouldn't be closed right now?

Skill like you said, right?

Because their ki explosions will be constant

Pretty sure he'll just catch them and they'll just empower his axe. If the Axe hits a Saiyan once, that would probably cripple them.

Same as before.

If it can absorb Goji's beam which is basically energy projection (among some more stuff), what makes you think the Ki Blasts won't get absorbed? Same scenario as before.

My vote isn't changing.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Skill like you said, right?

If everything you said was actually true, which I disagree with, then they literally can't ******* win because their ki attacks would be useless and they couldn't even try melee since Goji would just passively vaporize them when they get close, so which is it? Do they get stomped or do none of the things you claimed work on their powers?

 

[Arkansalter2]

If everything you said was actually true, which I disagree with

I'm just using what's on the profiles. Got a problem? Cry in a CRT.

Do they get stomped or do none of the things you claimed work on their powers?

If you're saying it's a stomp just so the saiyans won't have another loss on their profile then I guess it's a stomp bro. I don't know what else to tell you.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Then close the thread.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Alrighty. Here we go.
Ki-Blasts won't do a damn thing to Godzilla as we can see when Zilla faced against Gidorah where he just straight ate those.

He ain't no diffing energy attacks like that, be for real. Specially when DB's have Damage Boost that can let them completely pierced the body of someone capable of no selling their physical attacks. Godzilla and Kong are only x2.84 once they go Ssj2, which they will go immediately into because they have analytical prediction capable of letting them realize how strong their opponents are, and can directly sense it and gauge it. This is a gap so small compared to some of the fights they've had, that is baffling how you think the Kamehameha for example isn't doing anything.

Kong might have some issues however since he is more mobile than Godzilla, nothing is stopping him from just grabbing Goku out the sky and just crushing them.

That's 100% not happening. The difference in skill here is insane, when even early DB Goku received training capable of letting him control his momentum mid-air, much less factoring in flight. Or instant transmission.

As for Goku and Geta, both of their AP's scale a LOT lower than the Monsterverse brothers. At their peaks, they scale to about 33 Kilofoe while at Monsterverses peaks, they scale to 420 Kilofoe.
Now I'm no expert, but this is a 12x gap.

OP states he's using the 24 kiloFOE value. So no, the gap isn't x12.

So my verdict, Zilla will be the carry of the fight. Zilla can passively emit heat and overwhelming radiation along with absorbing all of the Saiyan's Ki attacks. Getting close isn't an option since well.. Zilla can boil the oceans which requires a f*** ton of heat.

So Zilla ain't absorbing Ki, first things first. Quite recently, Ki gained a spiritual component to its energy. You now need evidence of Zilla absorbing spiritual energy. While the heat and radiation would be a factor, Zilla ain't Garou. They wouldn't need to get close anyways, and the saiyans aren't stupid. The moment they realise the heat emanating from Zilla (again, analytical prediction and the physical effects observed in the area), they would go the Ki blast route.

Kong is a complete non factor and would be the first to go. Specially when speed boosts are on the table and they start Ssj1 and can go higher.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Would Goku and Vegeta putting a Ki barrier to defend themselfs against the radiation Works as a counter?

 

[Arkansalter2]

Quite recently, Ki gained a spiritual component to its energy. You now need evidence of Zilla absorbing spiritual energy.

What does "Spiritual Energy" even mean? Does it give said Ki attacks special properties of attacking the spirit or what?

 

[Arkansalter2]

Alright cool. Since Soul hax was accepted into ki manipulation, this is a stomp.

 

[Bossbrosish]

Alright cool. Since Soul hax was accepted into ki manipulation, this is a stomp.

It not like manipulating the soul of others. I think it's that Goku, Vegeta and everyone in Dragon Ball draw Ki from their own soul to use as ki attacks.

 

[Arkansalter2]

It not like manipulating the soul of others. I think it's that Goku, Vegeta and everyone in Dragon Ball draw Ki from their own soul to use as ki attacks.

So they're manipulating their own soul and spiritual energy for literal f***ing energy blasts which goji can absorb which has no special properties from what I can tell.

I'm not saying that Ki attacks won't do nothing, but they'll barely do something due to Goji's shtick. "Spiritual energy" doesn't mean shit. It's energy attacks in a massive nutshell. Like I said I PROMISE you that if said spiritual energy attacks were actually attacking the spirit of others, this match wouldn't exist.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

What does "Spiritual Energy" even mean? Does it give said Ki attacks special properties of attacking the spirit or what?

That is energy... From the spirit. It's not radiation, which is Goji's ACTUAL schtick. It's not electromagnetic, or based on heat. It's literal life force born from their soul and channeled through their bodies. Goji does not absorb that.