Goku fights another crazy guy from space | Son Goku vs Vilgax

[GeneralSol16]

After discovering that the Omnitrix is on Earth, Vilgax goes to recover it, but before Ben could arrive to save the day, another warrior stands up to protect his planet once again, expecting a good fight.

• Original Series and Dragon Ball Daima Vilgax and Goku are being used.
• Equalized speed.
• They start 30m from each other, and battle takes place on Rapid City, South Dakota.

 

[Hasty12345]

What stops Goku from skill stomping?

 

[GeneralSol16]

What stops Goku from skill stomping?

Probably the AP difference.

 

[Hasty12345]

Probably the AP difference.

How much of an advantage does Vilgax have?

 

[GeneralSol16]

How much of an advantage does Vilgax have?

Ben 10's worst enemy scales to 108 GigaFoe.

 

[Hasty12345]

So a near 10x AP difference between Vilgax and SSJ4 Goku if I’m reading the profiles correctly.

Goku still skill stomps with his decades of martial arts experience.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

So a near 10x AP difference between Vilgax and SSJ4 Goku if I’m reading the profiles correctly.

Goku still skill stomps with his decades of martial arts experience.

If there's that big of a gap then Goku can't even hurt him.

 

[Fezzih_007]

So a near 10x AP difference between Vilgax and SSJ4 Goku if I’m reading the profiles correctly.

Goku still skill stomps with his decades of martial arts experience.

With a 10x ap gap, Goku attacks not gonna do anything.

 

[StekFence]

Goku gets stronger overtime tho, if he can hold out long enough, he could in theory close the gap at least enough to start doing damage and win. And his charged attacks are far stronger then he is as well.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Goku gets stronger overtime tho, if he can hold out long enough, he could in theory close the gap at least enough to start doing damage and win.

Has he shown to close a 10× gap that fast before?

 

[Fezzih_007]

Goku gets stronger overtime tho, if he can hold out long enough, he could in theory close the gap at least enough to start doing damage and win. And his charged attacks are far stronger then he is as well.

He gonna die by the first hit before he can.

 

[MannyQ361]

Well with ki sensing he would know to stay out of range.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Well with ki sensing he would know to stay out of range.

Would Vilgax even have Ki? He's never really shown to have an energy source like that before.

 

[Huesito88]

Has he shown to close a 10× gap that fast before?

He just need to get within the less than 8.5 times attack range, before he can start doing damage (however small and then go war of attrition)

 

[Hellformer]

The AP difference is large enough to one shot goku. Few of such hits to land and the battle is over.

 

[StekFence]

Has he shown to close a 10× gap that fast before?

It doesn’t need to be fast, it just has to happen before vilgax kills him. Again, charged ki attacks and the destructo disk should be enough to harm the enemy, at least after a while.

He gonna die by the first hit before he can.

Skill gap and anal prediction should carry him for at least a while I think.

 

[Hellformer]

OP hasn't clarified whether goku starts with base form or directly SSJ4
If he starts in base and takes vilgax for granted then the outcome is more horrible

 

[StekFence]

I believe that we just assume highest keys in these cases, and getting one shot can’t really be any worse.

 

[Fezzih_007]

I mean, If Goku start in base, he either dies after the first attack, or notice how strong Vilgax is, and turn into super sayian, gaining blitz level speeds.

 

[Omegabronic]

Would Vilgax even have Ki? He's never really shown to have an energy source like that before.

Mana, life energy, exists in all living beings in Ben 10

 

[LaserPrecision]

Still have my fingers crossed for when someone puts Goku against any of the Hedgehog trio. Anyways, watching.

 

[DemonicDude]

Previous Versus Match between Sonic and Ben 10 that you made did not get concluded, Neither did Ben 10 vs Iron man one. Let's not spam matches.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Like someone said, Goku can sense Vilgax's power since he has Life energy to read, as everyone on Ben 10.

If necessary, Goku has prior knowledge on Vilgax's AP superiority, but stars in base.

 

[LaserPrecision]

If necessary, Goku has prior knowledge on Vilgax's AP superiority, but stars in base.

If he starts in Base he's def gonna stop with transformations cuz of all the speed amps.

 

[Omegabronic]

If he starts in Base he's def gonna stop with transformations cuz of all the speed amps.

And then it becomes a stomp in his favor i imagine

 

[MannyQ361]

I think Goku starting at ssj4 would be best for the match. Goku’s charged attacks like the Kamehameha according to the statistics on the page are like 4 times above his AP from his physicals and striking strength, so they would lower the AP gap.

 

[StarShooter80]

Goku at his absolute highest massively upscales from 16.848 GigaFoe with a charged kamehameha as SSJ4, and Vilgax is 104.226 GigaFoe, meaning the gap is less than 6x in Vilgax's favor.

Keep in mind, Goku has to be at his strongest form and even needs to time to charge up his kamehameha (though his insane acrobatics and hand-to-hand combat skill might make that a non-issue), only to somewhat hurt Vilgax. And even then Goku's durability as a SSJ4 massively upscales from 4.212 GigaFoe, which means the gap is less than 24x in Vilgax's favor which is enough to one-shot Goku three times over.

Vilgax stomps and it's not even funny

 

[Lort15]

Previous Versus Match between Sonic and Ben 10 that you made did not get concluded, Neither did Ben 10 vs Iron man one. Let's not spam matches.

Fr

 

[MannyQ361]

Well to be fair, Ssj3 and Ssj4 Goku have the same values on account of Ssj4 in Daima not having a quantifiable multiplier. Even assuming Ssj4 is just 2 times above Ssj3, the gap would be around 12 times with physicals and 3 times with charged attacks.

 

[StarShooter80]

Well to be fair, Ssj3 and Ssj4 Goku have the same values on account of Ssj4 in Daima not having a quantifiable multiplier. Even assuming Ssj4 is just 2 times above Ssj3, the gap would be around 12 times with physicals and 3 times with charged attacks.

That would be a baseless multiplier I'm afraid

 

[MannyQ361]

Yeah it’s just an assumption so far since there aren’t any statements or information that quantify Ssj4’s power yet.

 

[Lort15]

also the fact Vilgax have statistic amps makes it even worse for Goku

 

[Lort15]

Vilgax FRA

 

[Rez]

Goku starts in base so he can speed blitz via transformation amps but that still doesn't change the fact his attacks aren't gonna do anything to vilgax

 

[StekFence]

Charged attacks still do, made easier if he blitzes

 

[Lort15]

Goku starts in base so he can speed blitz via transformation amps but that still doesn't change the fact his attacks aren't gonna do anything to vilgax

is blitzing amps allowed in the speed equalized matchs?

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[StekFence]

It is if the character who’s blitzing was faster before speed equalization I believe. Also, destruction disk has crossed a gap of about 82,273.49 times before, I think. Assuming that daima goku is at least as skilled as namek krillin, this would likely hold true wouldn’t it?

 

[Lort15]

I mean, If Goku start in base, he either dies after the first attack, or notice how strong Vilgax is, and turn into super sayian, gaining blitz level speeds.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Yeah, basically that what would happen.

 

[Muteki616]

does speed even have to be equalized here?
i say we should make it more interesting and unequalize it.