GRACE | "Remember when I wasn't just Low 2-C?" | WN Rimuru vs Monika

[StrymULTRA]

After once claiming Anos, the smurf 10-B is now challenged by another Demon Lord.

RULES:

• EoS Rimuru is used.
• Speed is Equalized.
• SBA.

Femboy: 1 (CodeCCLL)

ChatGPT: 11 (Arkansalter2, Reiner04, Enter_Bluey, StrymULTRA, LittleGuy99, Rikimarox2, Eden_Warlock99, Shar122, BestMGQScalerEver, ShinMaximillion, BoastJr)

Idk:

 

[Arkansalter2]

Can Monika delete his file?

 

[Huesito88]

Can Monika delete her file?

Ummmm....

 

[Arkansalter2]

Ummmm....

You didn't see that.
Can't monika delete his file? I don't think in any of his keys does he resist EE?

 

[Arkansalter2]

You didn't see that.
Can't monika delete his file? I don't think in any of his keys does he resist EE?

I lied as I see the EE resistance.
But still, how would deleting Rimuru's file affect him?

 

[StrymULTRA]

I lied as I see the EE resistance.
But still, how would deleting Rimuru's file affect him?

In DDLC, files are 4 fundamental aspects at once, given that deleting a file erases a being from all of these things, other than being the components of the DDLC universe, which Monika can manipulate from altering the data:

• Plot
• Type 2 Concept
• Type 2 Information
• History

That and adding in the mix stuff like mind, as file manipulation allows Monika to alter also that.

 

[CodeCCLL]

What do you understand from the "Outdated"?

 

[StrymULTRA]

What do you understand from the "Outdated"?

What stops me from making the match?

We have literally lifted the ban of VS Matches from Touhou right because of this.

 

[Reiner04]

Can Monika delete his file?

@RVT lock this guy up.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Gonna get destroyed by Slime fans now GGs.

 

[CodeCCLL]

What stops me from making the match?

I was planning to answer something like "I won't be interested in this match and the thread will be abandoned to nothingness, which will also destroy your desire to use Rimuru."

But now I'm curious why you think this matchup might be fair. Why is Monika's NEP limited and what does she start with? (Keep in mind that I know nothing about this verse except for a few things I remember from a video on youtube that tells the it's story)

 

[StrymULTRA]

Why is Monika's NEP limited

The world of "Doki Doki Literature Club!" is made of datas that make up its entire existence and all the aspects of reality, as stuff like plot, time, mind, memories, etc. are all just data files that can be manipulated.

Singular entities are no exceptions, as they have their own .chr files, which can be altered, causing the being to also be altered in return. And if you already have guessed, deleting a .chr file deletes the respective being from the game, causing it to not even having existed in the 1st place as the game would literally reshape itself to patch up their lack.

Monika also has a .chr file. The reason behind her NEP is because she can survive just fine without said file and act normally even after her deletion, for her the file is just like hair: unnecessary, but painful if removed, but it's Limited because she starts with her existing as a .chr file.

and what does she start with?

The most offensive thing she ever did is deletion, which, as I said above, erases one's file, causing them being erased from the game itself, causing their file, concept, information, history and narrative to be erased, with the game reshaping itself to patch up their lack, making the character to have never existed in it (meaning you'd need literally all the aspects of High Godly Regen to recover).

And yes, that stuff is thought-based, she just needs to delete Rimuru's .chr file from the "characters" folder.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

After once claiming Anos, the smurf 10-B is now challenged by another Demon Lord.

RULES:

• EoS Rimuru is used.
• Speed is Equalized.
• SBA.

Femboy:

ChatGPT:

Idk:

Ms Plot Manip against someone that lacked NEP interaction and now doesn't.. now, does Rimuru lack NEP interaction yes or no.

Either answer speaks who wins here.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Ms Plot Manip against someone that lacked NEP interaction and now doesn't.. now, does Rimuru lack NEP interaction yes or no.

Monika does not start with NEP, you'd have to erase her 1st for her to achieve this state.

 

[King_Dom470]

I wish I could understand a word of all the jargon being thrown around here

 

[CodeCCLL]

file

Is the file itself also the narrative, or is the narrative connected to the file?

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Monika does not start with NEP, you'd have to erase her 1st for her to achieve this state.

I know, but we know who's the better fighter here. More skilled, more most things than Monika is when it comes to a 'fight', erasing her isn't going to be a problem with the skills Rimuru has on the board.

We know where this leads here.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Monika does not start with NEP

Monika doesn't start with Non-Existent physiology. Brand new sentence.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Is the file itself also the narrative, or is the narrative connected to the file?

The script is a file that also can be manipulated or deleted individually.

But besides that, deleting the file causes the game to completely crash if it tries to load a scene where a deleted character appears, causing it to restart, with said character just not existing in the plot (with this being the untampered version), and putting the file back in the game does nothing, meaning the game cannot read it anymore. And in fact, this is even consistent, as the missing character is replaced by glicthed sprites of other ones, and their actions get deleted from the timeline after the deletion too.

Monika doesn't start with Non-Existent physiology. Brand new sentence.

It is what it is.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I know, but we know who's the better fighter here. More skilled, more most things than Monika is when it comes to a 'fight', erasing her isn't going to be a problem with the skills Rimuru has on the board.

We know where this leads here.

The thing is that for Monika's perspective, Rimuru would be nothing but a trouble that she'd need to get rid of ASAP, especially with this in SBA:

Each character will view their opponents as enemies, who they have to assume wish to cause them severe harm such that losing could have any range of dire consequence

Yes Monika did lead with Power Null against Sayori but that was after the latter got all of Monika's powers due to becoming the new Literture Club president, and she had time to practice with said powers, besides the context was her also wanting to just end everything after being already erased by the Player and realizing that her world cannot continue to exist given the already terrible state of affairs, but none of this applies with Rimuru here because duh, he ain't the new Club President, by SBA Monika still is one.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

The thing is that for Monika's perspective, Rimuru would be nothing but a trouble that she'd need to get rid of ASAP, especially with this in SBA:

Can't he just knock her out with his superior speed and skill

 

[StrymULTRA]

Can't he just knock her out

The thing is thought-based as I said.

She really needs to press Canc on Rimuru's .chr file with commands she can just think of.

Also I didn't see anything NEP related when I CTRL+F "nonexistent" on Rimuru's source code, yikes.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

The thing is thought-based as I said.

She really needs to press Canc on Rimuru's .chr file with commands she can just think of.

He's faster than her by leagues though, that can't do anything?

Also I didn't see anything NEP related when I CTRL+F "nonexistent" on Rimuru's source code, yikes.

'Yikes', same

 

[StrymULTRA]

Damn you dog, added "superior speed", it wasn't there lol.

He's faster than her by leagues though, that can't do anything?

• Speed is Equalized.

Though what does Rimuru usually lead with?

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Though what does Rimuru usually lead with?

Hard to say in this scenario cause it's a unique circumstance. To him, she'd still just look like some normal teenage kid, and it's not like there's any manner of 'power' they'd feel on his end that could really put him that much on edge to try and BRUTALLY MAIM or decimate them right then even with SBA.

Would just paint an odd image for Rimuru to kinda do that, know that I remember them probably being a bit more violent on the WN side of things when it comes to some characters but he ain't an unfeeling sociopath.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Hard to say in this scenario cause it's a unique circumstance. To him, she'd still just look like some normal teenage kid, and it's not like there's any manner of 'power' they'd feel on his end that could really put him that much on edge to try and BRUTALLY MAIM or decimate them right then even with SBA.

Would just paint an odd image for Rimuru to kinda do that, know that I remember them probably being a bit more violent on the WN side of things when it comes to some characters but he ain't an unfeeling sociopath.

But if I would be forced to choose something that ain't him talking her down I would probably say she'd have to deal with his aura first??

 

[StrymULTRA]

Hard to say in this scenario cause it's a unique circumstance. To him, she'd still just look like some normal teenage kid, and it's not like there's any manner of 'power' they'd feel on his end that could really put him that much on edge to try and BRUTALLY MAIM or decimate them right then even with SBA.

Would just paint an odd image for Rimuru to kinda do that, know that I remember them probably being a bit more violent on the WN side of things when it comes to some characters but he ain't an unfeeling sociopath.

Isn't there something he usually uses on "fodder" characters, given that Monika by his POV is literally just a normal 18 yo girl with no notable traits?

 

[CodeCCLL]

So... Rimuru has immortality type 9, and I guess Monika can't do anything to Rimuru's body found in Imaginary Space. Rimuru can spam his clones with the same skills as him infinitely with the Ultimate Skill Azi Dahaka. Also, since these clones also have the Ultimate Skill Azi Dahaka, they can spam their own clones infinitely.
What can Monika do about it?

 

[StrymULTRA]

So... Rimuru has immortality type 9, and I guess Monika can't do anything to Rimuru's body found in Imaginary Space. Rimuru can spam his clones with the same skills as him infinitely with the Ultimate Skill Azi Dahaka. Also, since these clones also have the Ultimate Skill Azi Dahaka, they can spam their own clones infinitely.
Could Monika really come up with something like this?

Monika can already know everything Rimuru does by reading the script (and that stuff is plot-based, so Rimuru's acausality stuff would be useless here unless he's above metafictional plots), and she can just paralyze him by rewriting the script in making Rimuru stare at nothing indefinitely (something it did happen right because of this).

She can pretty much write "all of Rimuru's actions will ultimately do nothing to me and I win" in the script and literally win because of this.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Doesn't Rimuru have a bunch of passives or smth? And I don't think Monika would immediately know everything about Rimuru from the start, she'd have to read the script first, no?

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

So either those passives kick in and she gets incapped (if she cannot properly defend somehow), some miracle manages to knock her out first before she uses her ability (not likely), or talking her down.

We like ACTUAL character-based wincons here at kuma enterprises. So I feel to bet the third one would have more weight if this wasn't sba, but because it is, then the passives are his best hope.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Doesn't Rimuru have a bunch of passives or smth?

This is why I did the match, and I'd want the Tensura supporters to tell me how they work tho.

And I don't think Monika would immediately know everything about Rimuru from the start, she'd have to read the script first, no?

TBF that stuff it's all thought-based as she can alter datas with thoughts, and that'd require to read them too, given that's how they work in the 1st place.

So I don't think the need to read the script would be a real obstacle, also because how can she edit something she doesn't read?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Actually about the clone thing, I have realized another concern.

So... Rimuru has immortality type 9, and I guess Monika can't do anything to Rimuru's body found in Imaginary Space. Rimuru can spam his clones with the same skills as him infinitely with the Ultimate Skill Azi Dahaka. Also, since these clones also have the Ultimate Skill Azi Dahaka, they can spam their own clones infinitely.

Monika deleting Rimuru's file, as I said above, causes the game to reboot entirely to not allow the character to have even exist in the story, and attempting to load a save file that was working prior to the deletion of a character will show that said save does not work.

So what exactly stops Monika from deleting a single Rimuru with the latter being unable to enter entirely in the universe because of his existence being incompatible with it?

Aka something like this:

 

[CodeCCLL]

Monika can already know everything Rimuru does by reading the script

Rimuru basically starts with conceptual /informational analysis and he uses thought acceleration to do this analysis. Because of thought acceleration his thought processing capability is accelerated by a million to ten million times. In this case, Rimuru seems to have a huge advantage to me.

She can pretty much write "all of Rimuru's actions will ultimately do nothing to me and I win" in the script and literally win because of this.

She can't interfere to Imaginary Space, but yes, this is problematic for Rimuru.

Doesn't Rimuru have a bunch of passives or smth?

Rimuru is suppressing his aura. He needs to activate his aura based on thought.

Monika deleting Rimuru's file, as I said above, causes the game to reboot entirely to not allow the character to have even exist in the story, and attempting to load a save file that was working prior to the deletion of a character will show that said save does not work.

So what exactly stops Monika from deleting a single Rimuru with the latter being unable to enter entirely in the universe because of his existence being incompatible with it?

Rimuru can change his clones and their information as he wishes in Imaginary Space, so shouldn't the clones have different files? Rimuru could also summon Veldora, who could also create clones, which would complicate matters even more.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Rimuru basically starts with conceptual /informational analysis and he uses thought acceleration to do this analysis. Because of thought acceleration his thought processing capability is accelerated by a million to ten million times. In this case, Rimuru seems to have a huge advantage to me.

Well, his actions are all still under the script that Monika manipulates though.

Rimuru is suppressing his aura. He needs to activate his aura based on thought.

And what does this aura do?

Rimuru can change his clones and their information as he wishes in Imaginary Space, so shouldn't the clones have different files?

Monika's coding isn't just Information as I said before. But besides that... no.

When Monika deleted Natsuki's file, all of her actions went undone in the timeline, which include also stuff that is different from her, like her cupcakes, just because they are associated with her in the story. Meaning that a character's file does not include just one's existence, but also anything that is part of their "character" in the story.

She can't interfere to Imaginary Space, but yes, this is problematic for Rimuru.

Back in the day, Arceus vs Kratos ended up as a stomp for the latter because of the avatars always getting stomped against Kratos with no way to fight back.

So Monika can just incap Rimuru by constantly deactivating his clones.

 

[CodeCCLL]

So Monika can just incap Rimuru by constantly deactivating his clones.

Yes, of course she can.

When Monika deleted Natsuki's file, all of her actions went undone in the timeline, which include also stuff that is different from her, aka her cupcakes, just because they are associated with her in the story. Meaning that a character's file does not include just one's existence, but also anything that is part of their "character" in the story.

Imaginary Space is outside the story, so shouldn't we consider something that comes from there as something new that has entered the story?

Well, his actions are all still under the script that Monika manipulates though.

Unless you're claiming to she have passive plot armor, what important is this point? Rimuru can attack Monika with a variety of things he can activate based on his thoughts before she can even a single think.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Imaginary Space is outside the story, so shouldn't we consider something that comes from there as something new that has entered the story?

The Player also can attempt to reintroduce .chr files after their deletion in the game while being outside of it, but that doesn't work as I said before.

Unless you're claiming to she have passive plot armor, what important is this point? Rimuru can attack Monika with a variety of things he can activate based on his thoughts before she can even a single think.

I am saying that Monika would be aware of anything Rimuru can try to do through reading the script with a thought as well.

Now, Rimuru's MFTL+ perception can be a tad problem indeed, but the problem is still the fact that it's still within Monika's domain of altering the plot, and deleting Rimuru's file already does negate all everything he can do within the timeline.

Also, what hax could Rimuru use to win while circumventing the plot issue?

 

[CodeCCLL]

Now, Rimuru's MFTL+ perception can be a tad problem indeed, but the problem is still the fact that it's still within Monika's domain of altering the plot, and deleting Rimuru's file already does negate all everything he can do within the timeline.

Also, what hax could Rimuru use to win while circumventing the plot issue?

When you combine Rimuru/Ciel's ability to parallel process thoughts and predict at least 10,000 moves (unnecessary yes) ahead with his thought acceleration ten million times over, there's many thing Rimuru can do.

•Can activate his madness manipulation type 3 aura, instantly put her into a state of madness where she cannot think of anything.
•Can use many time stop move "paradise time", "suspended world", "space-time magic: time stop".
•Can use probability manipulation to cause something that has a 100 percent chance of happening to not happen.
•Can trap her in a state of hypnosis.
•Using beelzebub/void god azathoth, he can attack and absorb her at a speed of 146 quadrillion c. Before Monika even realizes anything, he can send her through imaginary space and win via BFR.

With his parallel process ability, he can do all of these at the same time or in certain combinations.

Or maybe none of this is necessary. Maybe because of Rimuru's social influence, Monica wouldn't even think of doing anything against him. Monica decides to become Rimuru's subordinate, and Rimuru add her plot manipulation to his arsenal.

 

[StrymULTRA]

•Can activate his madness manipulation type 3 aura, instantly put her into a state of madness where she cannot think of anything.

Monika resists Mind hax which can be used to even alter personality and memories.

•Can use many time stop move "paradise time", "suspended world", "space-time magic: time stop".

Monika is immune to time stuff if you see her resistances.

•Can use probability manipulation to cause something that has a 100 percent chance of happening to not happen.

Mind elaborating on this?

•Can trap her in a state of hypnosis.

She resists that.

•Using beelzebub/void god azathoth, he can attack and absorb her at a speed of 146 quadrillion c. Before Monika even realizes anything, he can send her through imaginary space and win via BFR.

TBF considering how her mind is independent from her file as stated in her profile, would this even work?

In the meaning of "would Monika be incapped by Rimuru absorbing her physical form?"

The BFR does sound like a solid wincon tho.

Maybe because of Rimuru's social influence, Monica wouldn't even think of doing anything against him. Monica decides to become Rimuru's subordinate, and Rimuru add her plot manipulation to his arsenal.

TBF it all boils down if Rimuru's actions just become all meaningless due to Monika's script shenanigans. Besides, she literally can "pause" the plot too and modify it through rewriting time, meaning that she can just pause Rimuru anytime she needs to.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

TBF it all boils down if Rimuru's actions just become all meaningless due to Monika's script shenanigans. Besides, she literally can "pause" the plot too and modify it through rewriting time, meaning that she can just pause Rimuru anytime she needs to.

Social Influencing might have more impact than I believe if that's one of his first moves here considering the look of his opponent..