GRACE | "Remember when I wasn't just Low 2-C?" | WN Rimuru vs Monika

[StrymULTRA]

Social Influencing might have more impact than I believe if that's one of his first moves here considering the look of his opponent..

Tbf how could SI stop Monika from just Alt+F4 the slime tho? By SBA she just does that as 1st thing.

 

[CodeCCLL]

Monika resists Mind hax which can be used to even alter personality and memories.

This resistance just work against just madness manipulation type 2 hax. Type 3 is based on Monika's own cognition of Rimuru's aura.

Mind elaborating on this?

Basically supernatural luck, but lucky enough to change even the odds of 100 percent.

TBF considering how her mind is independent from her file as stated in her profile, would this even work?

In the meaning of "would Monika be incapped by Rimuru absorbing her physical form?"

If Rimuru incapable her significantly, it would be a wincon.

TBF it all boils down if Rimuru's actions just become all meaningless due to Monika's script shenanigans. Besides, she literally can "pause" the plot too and modify it through rewriting time, meaning that she can just pause Rimuru anytime she needs to.

Rimuru's appearance and presence prevents Monica from having any thoughts of rebellion/attack against Rimuru (this worked on an entire army as I remember). After some time, she will become a worshiper of Rimuru.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Type 3 is a passive incap aye...?

 

[StrymULTRA]

This resistance just work against just madness manipulation type 2 hax. Type 3 is based on Monika's own cognition of Rimuru's aura.

Type 3 is a passive incap aye...?

Well, look at what I've found on the page for Type 3:

Limitations: Those who are capable of perceiving, understanding and/or experiencing that which is naturally extreme or incomprehensible should be able to ignore this. Likewise, unless there is evidence to suggest differently, beings whose physical forms are similarly complex or extreme in nature are likely to be unaffected by exposure to such a being.

And guess what? Monika can do that. You see, as I said above, erased beings become incompatible with reality, to the point that everything about them is replaced by messed up sprites of other characters, and their name is replaced by random symbols, until the game reboots to make sure this error won't appear anymore:

• This is the title screen before Sayori got deleted, and this is how it looks after.
• This is the 1st scene of the story before Sayori got deleted, and this is how it looks after, with both the narrator and the MC being unable to tell Sayori's name or potray her dialogue, and her sprite is replaced by nonsense, implying that even the tiniest traces of Sayori's existence cannot be comprehended by the game's narration or the playable character. This is also consistent when Monika ultimately powernulls and erases Sayori at the end of the game.
• Trying to load a Save File that had a deleted character in after their deletion will cause that to not work.
• Deleting Monika also causes a similar effect, with her name and sprite being replaced by nonsense from the game's graphics, and Monika disappears entirely from the title screen after her deletion.

Why am I bringing all of this? Because of Monika still being able to fully comprehend and remember the deleted characters despite the game itself cannot, and Sayori can too after getting all of Monika's powers, which fits with the fact that Monika can fully delete herself at will or the game's functions glitching already when Sayori got deleted.

Meaning that Monika can fully understand and experience stuff that's incomprehensible from reality itself.

Typed all of this despite the fact that Rimuru's Madness Type isn't specified on the profile, so that's odd lol. Maybe I could've avoided wrinting allat, but you're never too sure.

Basically supernatural luck, but lucky enough to change even the odds of 100 percent.

I am pretty sure this is still within the plot tho.

If Rimuru incapable her significantly, it would be a wincon.

Considering that getting the Club President's powers allows one to get all the powers Monika had due to them getting "elevated access", I genuinely have no idea of what would happen here.

Rimuru's appearance and presence prevents Monica from having any thoughts of rebellion/attack against Rimuru (this worked on an entire army as I remember). After some time, she will become a worshiper of Rimuru.

Did this army have thought-based stuff? Because there's not evidence of that being passive and activated by frame 1, but also that's lowkey NLF otherwise and would be a mismatch too.

 

[Shar122]

What can Rimuru do against Thought Based Plot manip ..

Edit: I'll probably just vote Monika

 

[CodeCCLL]

Typed all of this despite the fact that Rimuru's Madness Type isn't specified on the profile

I'm not the one who made a match with outdated profile. Rimuru should has madness manipulation types 2 with Tempter and has madness manipulation type 3 with Demon Lord Haki/Ambition.

I am pretty sure this is still within the plot tho.

We're talking about a case when Rimuru used this before Monika used her plot manipulation.

Did this army have thought-based stuff? Because there's not evidence of that being passive and activated by frame 1, but also that's lowkey NLF otherwise and would be a mismatch too.

As I said, it's something to do with Rimuru's appearance and presence, meaning it's sight-based and its affect increases as time goes on. Unless Monika has an supernatural willpower to resist such things, it seems really issue for her.

Rimuru also has the ability "Messiah", which he can activate based on thought. It'll cause his opponent to ask salvation and forgiveness from him, and it could make his opponent confess every sins s/he ever has done.
But this is likely mind manipulation so it may or may not work.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I'm not the one who made a match with outdated profile. Rimuru should has madness manipulation types 2 with Tempter and has madness manipulation type 3 with Demon Lord Haki/Ambition.

Rimuru also has the ability "Messiah", which he can activate based on thought. It'll cause his opponent to ask salvation and forgiveness from him, and it could make his opponent confess every sins s/he ever has done.
But this is likely mind manipulation so it may or may not work.

I see the problem them, if Rimuru's stuff is this incomplete.

Do I close this and make a new match with LN?

 

[CodeCCLL]

I see the problem them, if Rimuru's stuff is this incomplete.

I think WN Rimuru can win this match even with outdated profile. You can ignore Madness Manipulation type 3 (you already thinks it won't work), but the other things I mentioned should still be P&A and NA/T.

Do I close this and make a new match with LN?

Monica won't even be able to interact with Rimuru due to type 1 conceptual AE.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I think WN Rimuru can win this match even with outdated profile. You can ignore Madness Manipulation type 3 (you already thinks it won't work), but the other things I mentioned should still be P&A and NA/T.

Welp, if you do things this way, then let's continue.

As I said, it's something to do with Rimuru's appearance and presence, meaning it's sight-based and its affect increases as time goes on. Unless Monika has an supernatural willpower to resist such things, it seems really issue for her.

1) How much time does it take to fully affect?
2) While I dunno if it counts as Supernatural Willpower, Monika's mental strength isn't one to be underestimated. Receiving the admin's powers causes changes in personality, values, emotions and morals. Monika reacted to this far better than Sayori did in both scenarios of where she received the powers/awareness, as there either she goes full psycho, or just nukes everything alongside herself.

Aka I do think she wouldn't immediately become Rimuru's lapdog the moment she sees him (also is everyone who still fought him resistant to SI or something? Or does said SI have some weakness anyway?).

We're talking about a case when Rimuru used this before Monika used her plot manipulation.

As I said, she would as 1st thing delete Rimuru, and him and his possible clones would go all 404'd in the timeline given how her deletion works.

Monica won't even be able to interact with Rimuru due to type 1 conceptual AE.

You know I still thought that she'd be able to indirectly affect him through plot bs but you're probably right.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Monika just deletes Rimuru's character file in an instant thought based hax.
What happens then?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Monika just deletes Rimuru's character file in an instant thought based hax.
What happens then?

By how we've talked, Rimuru would be completely unable to re-enter the universe with his clones from Imaginary Space as her deletion causes anything related to the target to be incompatible with reality, with the latter rebooting itself to not allow the victim to have even existed there, alongside everything related to it.

 

[Arkansalter2]

So Monika just wins, yes?

 

[StrymULTRA]

So Monika just wins, yes?

Is that a vote?

 

[Arkansalter2]

Going with Monika. Monika just deletes his character files and GGs.

 

[Rikimarox2]

As for me, I'm going with Rimuru for now. Honestly dude has many options, and amp is disgusting.

 

[StrymULTRA]

As for me, I'm going with Rimuru for now. Honestly dude has many options, and amp is disgusting.

You'd have to specify which wincon(s) tho.

 

[Rikimarox2]

You'd have to specify which wincon(s) tho.

The thought-acceleration + absorption or Time shenanigans seem like a wincon to me (Unless the layers for Slime are still not accepted?). If layers aren't accepted, then forget the time stuff, but I still think the thought-acceleration stuff just gives Rimuru way too much time to do anything, really. At least, that's what I got just purely based on the profiles, and a few messages in this thread.

 

[StrymULTRA]

The thought-acceleration + absorption or Time shenanigans seem like a wincon to me (Unless the layers for Slime are still not accepted?). If layers aren't accepted, then forget the time stuff, but I still think the thought-acceleration stuff just gives Rimuru way too much time to do anything, really. At least, that's what I got just purely based on the profiles, and a few messages in this thread.

TBF, based on the scans, it looks like something that has to be activated rather than something he always has by default.

But still counted.

 

[Phoenks]

Match is a stomp.

Rimuru has no thought-based win condition to match the potency of Monika's instant deletion or manipulation of the plot.

And even if he did have one he used 100% of the time, the best the match could be is inconclusive.

Thought Accel isn't passive and has to be activated, which means it loses to her wincon.

Social influencing thing sounds incredibly fishy. So I'm not even going to entertain that until scans are brought to the scene.

 

[Reiner04]

Match is a stomp.

Rimuru has no thought-based win condition to match the potency of Monika's instant deletion or manipulation of the plot.

And even if he did have one he used 100% of the time, the best the match could be is inconclusive.

Thought Accel isn't passive and has to be activated, which means it loses to her wincon.

Social influencing thing sounds incredibly fishy. So I'm not even going to entertain that until scans are brought to the scene.

I will vote Monika based on this, may my vote change based off what brought up here later.

 

[CodeCCLL]

TBF, based on the scans, it looks like something that has to be activated rather than something he always has by default.

In this key, Rimuru has universal comic awareness and analyzes everything in it. He does this analysis with thought acceleration.

How much time does it take to fully affect

For Rimuru, it's enough to convince Monika to gave up attack him. However, if Rimuru doesn't do her a favor or doesn't help, it will take an indefinite amount of time for Monika to become a literal subordinate of Rimuru.

While I dunno if it counts as Supernatural Willpower, Monika's mental strength isn't one to be underestimated. Receiving the admin's powers causes changes in personality, values, emotions and morals. Monika reacted to this far better than Sayori did in both scenarios of where she received the powers/awareness, as there either she goes full psycho, or just nukes everything alongside herself.

I can't quite understand what the scans are talking about.

Aka I do think she wouldn't immediately become Rimuru's lapdog the moment she sees him (also is everyone who still fought him resistant to SI or something? Or does said SI have some weakness anyway?

Willpower stuff. But some characters, like Diablo, decided to voluntarily become his subordinates.

I also vote for Rimuru via mainly BFR.

 

[StrymULTRA]

In this key, Rimuru has universal comic awareness and analyzes everything in it. He does this analysis with thought acceleration.

Ok but he'd still need to activate it lol.

For Rimuru, it's enough to convince Monika to gave up attack him. However, if Rimuru doesn't do her a favor or doesn't help, it will take an indefinite amount of time for Monika to become a literal subordinate of Rimuru.

As Phoenks said, scans on this? Because this is incredibly sus and the profile does not help.

I can't quite understand what the scans are talking about.

Basically, receiving the admin powers cause the user to have a mental breakdown as even mentioned by the developers of her game, something Monika was affected from, but on a way lesser degree than Sayori did.

Meaning that she has definitely a mental strength that's greater than the average human.

Willpower stuff. But some characters, like Diablo, decided to voluntarily become his subordinates.

Meh, I don't think this can really work on Monika, given how the files work.

I also vote for Rimuru via mainly BFR.

While I am counting your vote, scans on this too?

 

[Enter_Bluey]

I doubt the SI is activating/being used before Monika gets off her immediate deletion...

Anyway I vote Monika here

 

[CodeCCLL]

Ok but he'd still need to activate it lol.

Then, Monika is instantly sent through Imaginary Space at a speed she can't comprehend, so what's the issue? Monika will find Rimuru's file, open it, and this file will contain the most complicated data she's ever encountered, she read it and same time delete it from the scenario. I don't understand how exactly she's going to do this when it hasn't already BFR-ed.

Because this is incredibly sus and the profile does not help.

It'll take time to find it, but okay.

scans on this too?

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So, first up.
Synthesizing『Wisdom Lord Raphael』and『Gluttony Lord Beelzebuth』,『Void God Azathoth』was born. ~Chapter 191

Imaginary Room... A dimension made to isolate any and all targets. The upgraded version of 『Stomach』 + 『Isolate』. ~Chapter 191

A flash.

A torrent of dazzling lights filled the surroundings.

Then, an ominous dark-colored demonic aura poured out from my body as if to swallow the lights.

The torrent of lights gently wrapped Ramiris, Milim and my other friends. The lights healed all their injuries and protected everyone from the ominous dark-colored demonic aura.

As for those who weren't protected by the lights--Speaking of Yuuki......

「Stop, go away! The world, I'll--」

Yuuki seemed to have resisted it with everything he had, but his body was eroded away without him able to do anything to stop it.

「Give up. You've gone too far, Yuuki. If you do bad things, you'll need to reflect on your actions, right? At least, you should repent about it. Repent for your foolishness and immaturity while inside my Imaginary Space』. That's all I allow you to do.」

I emotionlessly declared.

Yuuki was trying to struggle until the end, but everything ended in vain.

It seemed he had transferred all of his abilities to Veldanava Sword, I guessed there was nothing he could do now.

--No! Don't lock me in here. This is, like this I'll.......

--Yuuki, you're really being a problem child [10] until the end, you know, I wonder if this is because I couldn't guide you completely?

--Sensei......? I... I see..... Sensei is also in here......

--Yes, I am. I'll also reflect together with you. I'll never abandon you.

--I understand. Just where did I go--

With those words as his last, Yuuki's consciousness completely disappeared.

I closed the Imaginary Space

Escaping from it was impossible until I died--Or, even af ter I died--he would never be freed. ~Chapter 248

 

[StrymULTRA]

Voting Monika here, btw. Her wincon of just ending the fight from deleting Rimuru is far more reliable than the wincons of the latter tbh.

Then, Monika is instantly sent through Imaginary Space at a speed she can't comprehend, so what's the issue? Monika will find Rimuru's file, open it, and this file will contain the most complicated data she's ever encountered

What are you talking about? She does not need to open it, she only needs to press "canc" on Rimuru's file and end it. I even sent a scan of this, by verse equalization Rimuru wouldn't be any different than Sayori here.

 

[LittleGuy99]

Monika FRA

 

[CodeCCLL]

She does not need to open it, she only needs to press "canc" on Rimuru's file and end it

Sayori is a character she already knows, and Rimuru is a character she is encountered for the first time. So how will Monika instantly find Rimuru's file among all the other files?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Sayori is a character she already knows, and Rimuru is a character she is encountered for the first time. So how will Monika instantly find Rimuru's file among all the other files?

In DDLC there's a folder called "characters" where everyone's file is already put nicely there, something that the irl player can access too.

It's literally that simple.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Yeah, I don't think Monika needs to read the files or anything of that sort. Just the file being there is enough for her to delete it.

Also, for my vote, if the acceleration isn't passive and requires an action, then I'm leaning towards Monika here. Voting her for now.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I don't see why we assume plot manipulation is instant GG, and why erasing his "files" is completely irreversible?

But yeah, any matchup for WN Tensura characters should not be used for a while.

 

[Rikimarox2]

I don't see why we assume plot manipulation is instant GG, and why erasing his "files" is completely irreversible?

I mean, It's Plot Erasure, something that Rimuru doesn't resist. It's an instant GG here, unless Monika talks first or does anything else other than deleting Rimuru's file. Though her first move in-character, iirc, is the instant plot erasure. Though I might be wrong on that one, been forever since I played the game.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I don't see why we assume plot manipulation is instant GG

Does Rimuru have feats about that?

and why erasing his "files" is completely irreversible?

Because that stuff targets all the following aspects of the victim at once:

• Type 2 concept
• Type 2 information
• Plot
• History

Plus her EE is also a really potent Reality Warping as the universe's whole reality would reboot itself to prevent the deleted characters from having even existed in the timeline if any attempt to even mention or bring back said character is attempted, even from the Player who is outside the game.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I mean, It's Plot Erasure, something that Rimuru doesn't resist. It's an instant GG here, unless Monika talks first or does anything else other than deleting Rimuru's file. Though her first move in-character, iirc, is the instant plot erasure. Though I might be wrong on that one, been forever since I played the game.

Monika wouldn't really waste time on Rimuru as in her eyes he'd be just another NPC, and one she has get rid of ASAP by SBA, that's the thing.

 

[CodeCCLL]

In DDLC there's a folder called "characters" where everyone's file is already put nicely there, something that the irl player can access too.

It's literally that simple.

Battlefield is Central Park due to the SBA and there are more than 8 billion people on Earth. Monika definitely needs to enter some parameters to find Rimuru from the 8 billion files. In this case, there is no way she can find him right away.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Battlefield is Central Park due to the SBA and there are more than 8 billion people on Earth. Monika definitely needs to enter some parameters to find Rimuru from the 8 billion files? In this case, there is no way she can find him right away.

Well. No.

You see, her virtual world is already a whole functioning universe, and only characters that are actual fictional ones that matter in the story like Monika and the other 3 club members are counted as files, as the Playable character and background characters are not with a file instead.

Rimuru by SBA would have a file given he's quite literally interacting with Monika and he's neither a background character nor an avatar of the real player, meaning he'd be a file and not a random passerby in the park.

And even then, as the DDLC programming is based on the irl one, she'd just need to search Rimuru's file through using the search option every PC in existence has, and that's easily done.

 

[Rikimarox2]

I'd assume that there being 8 billion people doesn't really matter when In-verse, it still has people, but only functional, critical characters have files.

Though, if we were to go with the assumption that she has to search first, although it is easy and quick, I believe that would be slower than Rimuru just going "lmao amp". Still, again, it doesn't work like that, so...

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Monika FRA

 

[CodeCCLL]

You see, her virtual world is already a whole functioning universe, and only characters that are fully characters in the story like Monika and the other 3 club members are counted as files, as the Playable character and background characters are not with a file instead.

Rimuru by SBA would have a file given he's quite literally interacting with Monika and he's neither a background character nor an avatar of the real player, meaning he'd be a file and not a random passerby in the park.

Okay, that seems fair.

And even then, as the DDLC programming is based on the irl one, she'd just need to search Rimuru's file through using the search option every PC in existence has, and that's easily done.

By the time she did that, she would already find herself in Imaginary Space.

 

[StrymULTRA]

By the time she did that, she would already find herself in Imaginary Space.

Kinda a nitpick but you'd need to just type the name on the search bar, come on.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Kinda a nitpick but you'd need to just type the name on the search bar, come on.

I mean, when the opponent can amp his self by millions of times and send you to god knows where with a thought, searching for a name is kinda long compared to that.