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Firstly Primal beast.
As explained by the Otherworlders. Primal Beast is created using The Essence of Sky-God (Sky-realms Core) and Astral-God (Astral Power).
Once the Astral Power and their Core is stripped from them, all that remains are their abstract concept without any form of soul or mind. this Essentially kills them.
And a statement from Zeyen who is a Sage who holds vast knowledge about Primal Beasts says that Primal Beasts are Materialized concepts. in a sense, Concepts are given material form.
Furthermore, it is stated that it was Astral Power that shape their consciousness, personality, emotions, and soul as those are built by the Astrals in their core as a form of Algorithm or sometimes merely a Byproduct of their overall creation.
The Core also contains all the primal beast's memories, emotions, and thoughts even their soul wherein destroying it will scatter it thus they cannot recover their form again after de-manifesting without Astral intervention.
This Essence would be The Sky-realm's Core or the Sky-God's power as explained earlier that it consists of 2 components with the Sky-realm's Core as one of the components.
Now This Essence can take on the form of abstraction, conception, mythos, faith, etc.
Sky-realm's Core = Sky-God's Essence/Power >= Abstract, Concept, Myth, Faith.
As if now it is accepted That this essence can take form up to Type 2 for being able to take the form of universal concepts such as History, Fate, thoughts, Elements that makeup existence, Cycle of Life, Death, and Rebirth, and even Nonexistence or Void itself.
As the topic is Avatar we will discuss him.
Although Simply calling him void isn't what makes him Nonexistent but the fact that he still exists despite having his core broken by Captain and Bahamut.
And Avatar's Power has the capacity to destroy Primal Beast that even Michael is wary of fighting against a remnant even with their regeneration the beast can ultimately kill her
Furthermore, his weapons talk about turning things into nothingness or void
In that scenario. Sky-realm's Core or Sky-God's power existing as deeper than these Abstract or Concepts would mean they are capable of affecting even concepts of such nature.
corroborating that information with Loki's explanation of Astral's Power of Origination is described as being diametrically opposed to the Destruction of Rebirth. turning Nothing into Something, 0 to 1.
Avatar Would get NEP Nature Type 1.
As Avatar has no will of its own. He would gain Nonexistent Physiology (Nature Type 1, & Aspect Type 1 and 3)
Astrals like Loki, Beelzebub, and Lucilius will also gain limited Fate manipulation by use of their Astral power to control the fate of their Primal Beast and their Creation such as Grancypher. They have never been shown to be capable of directly affecting the fate of things they did not create except by indirect means (creating a primal beast that controls the concept of fate which in turn can affect the fate of things for them)
Lastly, I also want to add Conceptual manipulation Type 2-3 for Primal beast. This is due to the fact that they are the concept themselves and they can freely manipulate their own concept to use as their powers but cannot destroy them
Otherworldly Energy and Chaos
Specifically Beelzebub in his Chaos Body form
Chaos is often used interchangeably as Otherworldly power as Chaos originated from Otherworldly creatures who possess those properties that create chaos. it was even stated that Chaos and its material form that Beelzebub manage to procure are created from the thoughts of otherworldly being congealed into a crystal that coats Beelzebub's spear. but the properties of chaos are also present within Otherworldly beings.
It is also said that Chaos exists in direct opposition to Providence. Providence makes up the reality with Laws of Physics, Causality, and Logic.
Providence is also made up of other necessary components that upkeep the world. including Life and Death, Creation, and "Rebirth and Destruction". contrary to that. Chaos exists outside of these 2 oppositions of Creation, and "Destruction and Rebirth" which also makes up existence(Physical form, soul, consciousness from Astral Power) and nonexistence (Abstracts, concepts, Metaphysics, Logic, causality, etc). It is described as The Providence of Death or Death and Destruction. And when a Universe is split open for the Otherworld or Chaos to enter. It returns to the nothingness that is neither Life nor Death that affects even the Otherworldly mass and yet the Same Otherworldly mass did not die and was confirmed that it was a singular entity unlike existence in sky-realm with multiple alternate reality versions. furthermore, if spatiotemporal Reality is torn or stripped off what is left is Crimson Horizon, which Lucilius said is unadulterated chaos.
Lastly, the Chaos matter that Beelzebub pierced Sariel with erased the trace of Avatar's destruction and void which further support that it exists deeper than Avatar's Nonexistence
BDE Type 2 and Regeneration For Otherworlders and Invisible Hand and possibly conceptless
As mentioned above. Invisible Hand is capable of surviving even a world imploding in a way that everything within it has returned to nothingness. that includes concepts of Time, Space, and History of anything within yet even without those things as the Invisible Hand survived and came back seemingly unharmed despite a visual showing of it being torn apart by said nothingness.
Lastly, it was said that they Transcend Space and Time and Dimensional Boundaries as long as Death exists in that Dimension. Even the figurative death of an inanimate Object. Pairing with Ellis who can see T-Axis with a hyperdimensional perspective only shows static white noise when looking at Otherworldly beings would make them lack Time as a whole
This also adds as a High Godly Regen for Conceptual and History Erasure for being able to restore its physical form back as if nothing happened.
And since he was erased conceptually alongside other concepts within that reality but returned as if nothing happened does it also counts as conceptless for being able to exist despite his concept being erased to nothingness?
TLDR
Primal Beast gets Concept Manip Type 2-3 for their own Concept case by case now
Astrals get limited fate manipulation for controlling the fate of their primal beast
Avatar will gain NEP Nature Type 1 Aspect type 1 and 3
New Profile Invisible Hand and Otherworlders with High-Godly Regen and NEP Nature Type 2 Aspect type 1 2 3 4
Beelzebub Chaos body will gain NEP Nature Type 2, Aspect Type 1, 2, and 4 scaling with Invisible Hand and Otherworlder's existence
Possibly BDE Type 2 for Otherworlders and Beelzebub
Vote
Agree - Elizhaa (Agreed with Type 1 [and the rest?]), Fixxed (Agreed with NEP Type 2 for pure chaos)
Neutral -
Disagree - Bobiscan (Agreed with their incorporeality meeting NEP type 1 criteria but not NEP Type 1)
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Firstly Primal beast.
As explained by the Otherworlders. Primal Beast is created using The Essence of Sky-God (Sky-realms Core) and Astral-God (Astral Power).
First, we'll discuss Astral Power and Their Material Core
Their Soul/Mind and Physical Body and even their Fate are all granted by Astral Power or also Known as the Power of Origination. This makes up their Physical Core.Once the Astral Power and their Core is stripped from them, all that remains are their abstract concept without any form of soul or mind. this Essentially kills them.
And a statement from Zeyen who is a Sage who holds vast knowledge about Primal Beasts says that Primal Beasts are Materialized concepts. in a sense, Concepts are given material form.
Furthermore, it is stated that it was Astral Power that shape their consciousness, personality, emotions, and soul as those are built by the Astrals in their core as a form of Algorithm or sometimes merely a Byproduct of their overall creation.
The Core also contains all the primal beast's memories, emotions, and thoughts even their soul wherein destroying it will scatter it thus they cannot recover their form again after de-manifesting without Astral intervention.
TLDR: Astral Power = Material Core = Soul, Thoughts, Emotion, consciousness, personality, Algorithm, Fate, Physical Body, and Tangible powers
Now the Sky-realm's Core or Sky Essence. The essence of the Primal Beast.
Now Rosetta's explained that what is left of a Primal Beast after its astral powers and Astral Core is removed is simply their Essence.This Essence would be The Sky-realm's Core or the Sky-God's power as explained earlier that it consists of 2 components with the Sky-realm's Core as one of the components.
Now This Essence can take on the form of abstraction, conception, mythos, faith, etc.
Sky-realm's Core = Sky-God's Essence/Power >= Abstract, Concept, Myth, Faith.
As if now it is accepted That this essence can take form up to Type 2 for being able to take the form of universal concepts such as History, Fate, thoughts, Elements that makeup existence, Cycle of Life, Death, and Rebirth, and even Nonexistence or Void itself.
As the topic is Avatar we will discuss him.
Although Simply calling him void isn't what makes him Nonexistent but the fact that he still exists despite having his core broken by Captain and Bahamut.
And Avatar's Power has the capacity to destroy Primal Beast that even Michael is wary of fighting against a remnant even with their regeneration the beast can ultimately kill her
Furthermore, his weapons talk about turning things into nothingness or void
In that scenario. Sky-realm's Core or Sky-God's power existing as deeper than these Abstract or Concepts would mean they are capable of affecting even concepts of such nature.
Sky-Realm's Core / Sky God's Essence >= Abstracts, Concepts = Void or Nothingness.
corroborating that information with Loki's explanation of Astral's Power of Origination is described as being diametrically opposed to the Destruction of Rebirth. turning Nothing into Something, 0 to 1.
Avatar Would get NEP Nature Type 1.
As Avatar has no will of its own. He would gain Nonexistent Physiology (Nature Type 1, & Aspect Type 1 and 3)
Astrals like Loki, Beelzebub, and Lucilius will also gain limited Fate manipulation by use of their Astral power to control the fate of their Primal Beast and their Creation such as Grancypher. They have never been shown to be capable of directly affecting the fate of things they did not create except by indirect means (creating a primal beast that controls the concept of fate which in turn can affect the fate of things for them)
Lastly, I also want to add Conceptual manipulation Type 2-3 for Primal beast. This is due to the fact that they are the concept themselves and they can freely manipulate their own concept to use as their powers but cannot destroy them
Otherworldly Energy and Chaos
Specifically Beelzebub in his Chaos Body form
Chaos is often used interchangeably as Otherworldly power as Chaos originated from Otherworldly creatures who possess those properties that create chaos. it was even stated that Chaos and its material form that Beelzebub manage to procure are created from the thoughts of otherworldly being congealed into a crystal that coats Beelzebub's spear. but the properties of chaos are also present within Otherworldly beings.
It is also said that Chaos exists in direct opposition to Providence. Providence makes up the reality with Laws of Physics, Causality, and Logic.
Providence is also made up of other necessary components that upkeep the world. including Life and Death, Creation, and "Rebirth and Destruction". contrary to that. Chaos exists outside of these 2 oppositions of Creation, and "Destruction and Rebirth" which also makes up existence(Physical form, soul, consciousness from Astral Power) and nonexistence (Abstracts, concepts, Metaphysics, Logic, causality, etc). It is described as The Providence of Death or Death and Destruction. And when a Universe is split open for the Otherworld or Chaos to enter. It returns to the nothingness that is neither Life nor Death that affects even the Otherworldly mass and yet the Same Otherworldly mass did not die and was confirmed that it was a singular entity unlike existence in sky-realm with multiple alternate reality versions. furthermore, if spatiotemporal Reality is torn or stripped off what is left is Crimson Horizon, which Lucilius said is unadulterated chaos.
Lastly, the Chaos matter that Beelzebub pierced Sariel with erased the trace of Avatar's destruction and void which further support that it exists deeper than Avatar's Nonexistence
Otherworldly beings do not possess any form of the soul as they are already dead different from those who died and moved to the afterlife or do not exist as otherworldly beings are merely taking the form of the memories and data of those who perished and moved on to the afterlife and tries to capture those who border between life and death. thus they lack soul
Aside from that. They do not contain any form of information to make up their reality that Ellis even with Hyperdimensional perception cannot see any information about them and they do not function on any preexisting framework of reality thus they lack information furthermore Ellis's hyperdimensional perception is able to perceive T axis which is the time dimension seeing how he also wasn't able to see any form of history or time from the target they are most likely nonexistent in history or do not possess any form of Spatial or Temporal properties
Furthermore. Wardant, a being who claimed to be the one who brought chaos to Crimson Horizon, cannot be analyzed by Kenji, and any attempt to do so not only invaded Kenji but also almost killed him and his Circuit despite it being unaffected even if the space it occupies is interfered with physically.
Furthermore in Spaghetti Syndrome, The Scalpel which Grace used to repeatedly cut off Otherworldly flesh started coating it with chaos similar to Beelzebub's Spear. and Isaac further added that beings who run under information and data are susceptible to chaos or otherworldly energy.
In addition to this Astrals who perceive reality as they change without being affected by them cannot sense anything from an Otherworld's Invisible Hand and is incapable of knowing that it is
Furthermore. Wardant, a being who claimed to be the one who brought chaos to Crimson Horizon, cannot be analyzed by Kenji, and any attempt to do so not only invaded Kenji but also almost killed him and his Circuit despite it being unaffected even if the space it occupies is interfered with physically.
Furthermore in Spaghetti Syndrome, The Scalpel which Grace used to repeatedly cut off Otherworldly flesh started coating it with chaos similar to Beelzebub's Spear. and Isaac further added that beings who run under information and data are susceptible to chaos or otherworldly energy.
In addition to this Astrals who perceive reality as they change without being affected by them cannot sense anything from an Otherworld's Invisible Hand and is incapable of knowing that it is
They also do not have any form of mind in their purest form but because they are mostly utilized by entities with consciousness unless created as a tool like Otherworldly river who needs someone to utilize its ability else it will only freely rampage. Otherworldly beings who possess a mind of their own possess a core to make it up similar to primal beast. but unlike primal beasts, they are unnecessary for them to exist and fight. and for them to completely kill it Lyria needed to summon Bahamut.
BDE Type 2 and Regeneration For Otherworlders and Invisible Hand and possibly conceptless
As mentioned above. Invisible Hand is capable of surviving even a world imploding in a way that everything within it has returned to nothingness. that includes concepts of Time, Space, and History of anything within yet even without those things as the Invisible Hand survived and came back seemingly unharmed despite a visual showing of it being torn apart by said nothingness.
Lastly, it was said that they Transcend Space and Time and Dimensional Boundaries as long as Death exists in that Dimension. Even the figurative death of an inanimate Object. Pairing with Ellis who can see T-Axis with a hyperdimensional perspective only shows static white noise when looking at Otherworldly beings would make them lack Time as a whole
This also adds as a High Godly Regen for Conceptual and History Erasure for being able to restore its physical form back as if nothing happened.
And since he was erased conceptually alongside other concepts within that reality but returned as if nothing happened does it also counts as conceptless for being able to exist despite his concept being erased to nothingness?
TLDR
Astrals get limited fate manipulation for controlling the fate of their primal beast
Avatar will gain NEP Nature Type 1 Aspect type 1 and 3
New Profile Invisible Hand and Otherworlders with High-Godly Regen and NEP Nature Type 2 Aspect type 1 2 3 4
Beelzebub Chaos body will gain NEP Nature Type 2, Aspect Type 1, 2, and 4 scaling with Invisible Hand and Otherworlder's existence
Possibly BDE Type 2 for Otherworlders and Beelzebub
Vote
Agree - Elizhaa (Agreed with Type 1 [and the rest?]), Fixxed (Agreed with NEP Type 2 for pure chaos)
Neutral -
Disagree - Bobiscan (Agreed with their incorporeality meeting NEP type 1 criteria but not NEP Type 1)
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