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Groudon ( Pokemon) vs Genos (OPM)
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Does genos start in 10 second mode?
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Yes....... Stomp?
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No it's good, it would've been a stomp for him if you had him not start in it. Anyway I'm voting genos because he can just blast away or deflect any attack that groudon throws at him and easily over power it, while groudon needs a direct hit to win.
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Isn't that a stomp as Genos automatically wins from AP and range even if in 10 seconds?
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No, groudon can breathe to kill genos, but genos can deflect his attacks and over power them so he wins.
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As Genos isn't automatically deflecting its attacks as Groudon attacks. Its wincon is basically if Genos does nothing.
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That makes 0 sense Genos can literally outrange and one shot Groudon with 10 second mode. If a character's win-con is CiS on the part of their opponent then thats not a valid win-con and thus a stomp.
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Your sentence doesn't make sense.
Starting distance is 5 meters. So can groudon one shot. I have no idea what cis is.
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What I'm saying is that you're assuming that if Groudon attacks first Genos doesn't counter, making its only wincon Genos doing nothing in the match
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No I'm not assuming that, Groudon can easily kill genos but genos can easily deflect his attacks and overpower them, that doesn't count as a stomp since Groudon can win if he gets a hit off, genos just has answers to that.
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That's assuming Groudon can without getting deflected.
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Speed is equalized, it's entirely possible, just unlikely.
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Groudon literally can't, as it attacks Genos will counter and win, it has no wincon at all
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Bro, his win condition is that he can one shot Genos, but he just can't get it off easily because Genos can deflects his moves, that doesn't make it a stomp.
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A wincon nulled from Genos literally doing anything. Seriously, Genos literally wins as soon as he attacks and since he has only 10 seconds he'll trow anything he has against Groudon, and you're saying that it can counter such
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If a character has no feasible way of using their win-con then it's a stomp plain and simple.
It doesn't matter if a character can one shot if there's little to no chance they get to attack. CiS = Character induced Stupidity (which admittedly Genos is a victim of in the setting of OPM but in a Vs format with SBA that doesn't apply).
You expect a character with a temporary buff that can potentially get them killed to not evade, counter or deflect an attack from their opponent nor not go all out from the beginning?
Simple put the most logical conclusion is this: Genos fires a beam then Groudon fires a beam, the low 5-B beam easily overpowers the high 6-A one and vaporizes Groudon, the end.
The entire basis of your arguments is based on gigantic leaps of logic and assumptions plus CiS (which doesn't apply here).
This is a stomp and a mismatch. Period.
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Groudon can win literally only if Genos stands there to take the hit, and that's completely illogical.
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Same thing with groudon bro, he can just blast genos with an attack that genos won't be able to deflect in time, and win.
CIS doesn't apply because they're both blood lusted. Groudon can still win if he gets hiss attack off, Genos is just most likeyl going to deflect it and win.
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Genos FRA
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I love how you keep spamming the same debunked argument and saying that Genos can't anything if Groudon attacks first
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Since neither my nor Strym points have be countered (except for ignorant stonewalling) none of the votes should be counted and if this carries on I will request this thread be closed.
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Well is there a way to makes this fair then?
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No, it's a stomp no matter which key
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nope, idk if someone like saitama would even have a chance against groudon at 5-B
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Both characters can win if they land a hit, but groudons attacks are more likely to get deflected. For example, groudon can scary face which is instant and which lowers genos' speed and then lava plume which spawns directly under him so genos would be slower and will be less likely to deflect that attack, he just more likely than not kills groudon first. This is not a stomp.
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That version of Groudon leads with energy blasts so no
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What if I choosed high 6-A Boros?
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This match is fine. And boros is the same case anyway but worse because regen and he still one shots.
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Okay I guess you vote Genos then? As for the people who said Genos stomp then I'll just take this as a vote for Genos I guess
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They didn't really vote but okay, but yeah voting genos.
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Lol sorry did you change your mind yet or you still think it's a stomp?
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Agreed this match can't he added then.
That's a class S straw-man right there, I'm requesting this match get closed now.
EDiT: Nvm Strym ninja'ed me.
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i still believe that there isn't a wincon. Like Groudon never leads with scary face and clearly won't use anything of that caliber within 10 seconds in which genos will shoot a bigass beam which will dust him. Like what the heck do you expect him to do? He isn't mobile enough to dodge or defend, scary face won't do jack shiz, and he cannot hit him before Genos just dusts him with his low 5-B beam.
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