Hax's NNT

[Demon_Lord18]

From this CRT

Ark:
The argument that the Ark only works on demons doesn't make sense, since:

1 - Drole, who is a Giant, was affected by Ark.

2 - Albion, a being made of stone created by Merlin (yes, he was not created by demons), can be deconstructed by Ark.

3 -Ark destroyed Derieri's hair, which is obviously not made of darkness. If it were, she would have gone bald here.

4- Ark was literally deconstructing Monspiet's clothing. Unless his clothes are made of darkness, it doesn't make sense to limit Ark to work only on demons.

Note: They use this scan to say Ark only works on demons. However, this is literally a skill unique to Tristan. Unless you can prove that for some reason Ark stopped being a sphere to become a star and changed its name to Twinkling Star. Something I noticed while fetching the scans is that the translation he used was wrong. It was never said that Ark is a magic specifically meant to work with darkness; it is said to dissolve its target, another reason not to limit it to demons only.

This is the only thing I disagree with in the CRT. Now, I will propose other things.

EE:
Meliodas says he would erase any trace of Fraudrin from the face of the Earth. That sounds pretty straightforward to me.

It is said that Gowther can annihilate all matter within a radius of 16 km.

Layered deconstruction:
The layered deconstruction has been accepted here, however, I have a few things against the scale up.

He puts the Wrath of Enlil as a layer, but Estarossa was resisting an Ark from a high-ranking member even when he had just one commandment. The Demon King can deconstruct the First Demon, who is superior to a 2c Estarossa. The scale would be as follows

Ordinary demons < Ordinary goddesses ark (Base decon) < High ranking demons (base resistance) < High ranking goddesses Ark (1 layer) <1c Estarossa (1 layer resistance) < Wrath of Enlil (2 layers decon) < 2c Estarossa (2 layers resistance) < 50% DK (layers 3 decon) and Meliodas TM (3 layers decon)

Chaos' abilities and resistence:

Life Manipulation and Resurrection (Can return the spirit of life to Worreldane's body, which Percival removed, consequently reviving her)

Fate manipulation (Constantly resisting fate, altering the future)

Resistence to:
Existence Erasure (Superior to Cath after absorbing a fragment of Chaos, who can resist Gowther's self-destruction, which annihilates matter )

Soul Destruction, Layered Resistances to Deconstruction [3 layers], Corrosion Inducement [1 layer], Mind Manipulation [1 layer], Status Effect Inducement [4 layers], and Disease Manipulation [4 layers] (Hawk is immune to the abilities of Demons and Goddesses because he is a creature of Chaos) The layers were accepted here

Layers for Paralysis Induction:
Friends of Percival<Ironside(Baseline Paralysis Induction)<Percival(Baseline Resistance)<Arthur (1 layers Paralysis Induction)<Tristan and Meliodas (1 Layer Resistance)

The Ruler
Limited Passive Causality Manipulation (Can invert any magic cast on him, altering its effect. Like when Ban tried to steal his strength but ended up giving it to him)

Hax for some characters:

Add power nullification for all Perfect Cube users: Forcefield Creation, Attack Reflection and Power Nullification with Perfect Cube (Can use the Perfect Cube, which reflects all attacks back to the opponent and prevents anyone other than the conjurer from entering).

Spatial Manipulation and Vector Manipulation with Bend Room (Can bend the surrounding space to change the direction of an attack, as well as control it)

Scale only for Worreldane: Memory Manipulation and Limited Retrocognition with Gallery of Memory (Can reproduce things that have already happened in a place)

 

[RavenSupreme]

Disagree on the EE, as figure of speech in regards to "wiping every trace" is not an indicator of existance erasure, nor has there been any way. The following fight also does not show any indicator of him using any other ability but his darkness powers, physical prowess and demon flames either way, which proves it to be a figure of speech.

Similarily, we have no feat of EE for Sunshine nor the five elements. Merlins infinity is equally not a qualitative but a quantitative ability. Annihilation anything through using any or all of these means does not automatically translates into existance erasure.

Have not checked the rest.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Disagree on the EE, as figure of speech in regards to "wiping every trace" is not an indicator of existance erasure, nor has there been any way. The following fight also does not show any indicator of him using any other ability but his darkness powers, physical prowess and demon flames either way, which proves it to be a figure of speech.

Do you think deconstruction would work instead of EE?

Merlins infinity is equally not a qualitative but a quantitative ability. Annihilation anything through using any or all of these means does not automatically translates into existance erasure.

I understand your point, however, to annihilate matter it is necessary for it to interact with its anti-particle, disappearing and transforming into energy.

Similarily, we have no feat of EE for Sunshine nor the five elements.

This would be the first time we would see the elements of destruction in action.

 

[RavenSupreme]

Do you think deconstruction would work instead of EE?


I understand your point, however, to annihilate matter it is necessary for it to interact with its anti-particle, disappearing and transforming into energy.


This would be the first time we would see the elements of destruction in action.

I dont know what other form of destruction could be derived from either statement.

The first is a figure of speech and the following battles shows the regular attacks we know have not that kind of destructive characteristica. So whether its deconstruction or EE, there is no base for either.

As for the second, it is similar, or even more simple, as the actual attack Gowther describes is an "explosion". We know that the four elements destroyer we have seen prio (Vivian) does explode and causes no annihilation. We also know that Sunshine has the following destructive properties shown in the series: Melting, Vaporizing, turning to ash. Neither of those are elemental annihilation, arguing for them to be mixed somehow now includes that is a very uphill battle.

There is a lot you brought forward regardless of EE, so in my eyes there is no need to focos on these two things which - at least according to my observation - stand on very shaky ground.

 

[Le'garde273]

How in the world even conclusion come from if ark only affect demon

 

[Demon_Lord18]

I dont know what other form of destruction could be derived from either statement.

The first is a figure of speech and the following battles shows the regular attacks we know have not that kind of destructive characteristica. So whether its deconstruction or EE, there is no base for either.

As for the second, it is similar, or even more simple, as the actual attack Gowther describes is an "explosion". We know that the four elements destroyer we have seen prio (Vivian) does explode and causes no annihilation. We also know that Sunshine has the following destructive properties shown in the series: Melting, Vaporizing, turning to ash. Neither of those are elemental annihilation, arguing for them to be mixed somehow now includes that is a very uphill battle.

There is a lot you brought forward regardless of EE, so in my eyes there is no need to focos on these two things which - at least according to my observation - stand on very shaky ground.

Yes, it makes sense.

 

[speedster352]

Try tagging some staff for this thread. Also Meliodas already has EE on his profile.

 

[Makai641001]

How in the world even conclusion come from if ark only affect demon

It doesn’t « only affects demons » it’s a bit like critical hits in video games Ark deals crits to demons and does regular damage to anyone else

From this CRT

Ark:
The argument that the Ark only works on demons doesn't make sense, since:

1 - Drole, who is a Giant, was affected by Ark.

Yeah

2 - Albion, a being made of stone created by Merlin

Iirc there is a statement about that but only using this panel isn’t enough you’re making suppositions

(yes, he was not created by demons), can be deconstructed by Ark.

Yes

3 -Ark destroyed Derieri's hair, which is obviously not made of darkness. If it were, she would have gone bald here.

Shit point

4- Ark was literally deconstructing Monspiet's clothing. Unless his clothes are made of darkness, it doesn't make sense to limit Ark to work only on demons.

Yeah Mid point but why not

Note: They use this scan to say Ark only works on demons.

Ark works on everyone but deals more damage to demons

However, this is literally a skill unique to Tristan. Unless you can prove that for some reason Ark stopped being a sphere to become a star and changed its name to Twinkling Star. Something I noticed while fetching the scans is that the translation he used was wrong. It was never said that Ark is a magic specifically meant to work with darkness;

We need the raw not another English translation but we saw that It dissolves Albions that are made of rocks etc…

it is said to dissolve its target, another reason not to limit it to demons only.

This is the only thing I disagree with in the CRT. Now, I will propose other things.

I globally agree with Ark being able to affect not only demons

EE:
Meliodas says he would erase any trace of Fraudrin from the face of the Earth. That sounds pretty straightforward to me.

Mid that’s just figurative

It is said that Gowther can annihilate all matter within a radius of 16 km.

Disagree too it’s not enough proof

Layered deconstruction:
The layered deconstruction has been accepted here, however, I have a few things against the scale up.

He puts the Wrath of Enlil as a layer, but Estarossa was resisting an Ark from a high-ranking member even when he had just one commandment. The Demon King can deconstruct the First Demon, who is superior to a 2c Estarossa. The scale would be as follows

Ordinary demons < Ordinary goddesses ark (Base decon) < High ranking demons (base resistance) < High ranking goddesses Ark (1 layer) <1c Estarossa (1 layer resistance) < Wrath of Enlil (2 layers decon) < 2c Estarossa (2 layers resistance) < 50% DK (layers 3 decon) and Meliodas TM (3 layers decon)

DK can’t decon OD it’s his own power Crisis that rots his body

Chaos' abilities and resistence:

Life Manipulation and Resurrection (Can return the spirit of life to Worreldane's body, which Percival removed, consequently reviving her)

Agreed

Fate manipulation (Constantly resisting fate, altering the future)

That’s using Guinevere power else he wouldn’t even be able to read the world’s fate

Resistence to:
Existence Erasure (Superior to Cath after absorbing a fragment of Chaos, who can resist Gowther's self-destruction, which annihilates matter )

Gowther’s self destruct isn’t EE so no

Soul Destruction, Layered Resistances to Deconstruction [3 layers], Corrosion Inducement [1 layer], Mind Manipulation [1 layer], Status Effect Inducement [4 layers], and Disease Manipulation [4 layers] (Hawk is immune to the abilities of Demons and Goddesses because he is a creature of Chaos) The layers were accepted here

Yeah

Layers for Paralysis Induction:
Friends of Percival<Ironside(Baseline Paralysis Induction)<Percival(Baseline Resistance)<Arthur (1 layers Paralysis Induction)<Tristan and Meliodas (1 Layer Resistance)

Yeah iirc it was accepted in the same thread as disease manip etc…

The Ruler
Limited Passive Causality Manipulation (Can invert any magic cast on him, altering its effect. Like when Ban tried to steal his strength but ended up giving it to him)

Why not

Hax for some characters:

Add power nullification for all Perfect Cube users: Forcefield Creation, Attack Reflection and Power Nullification with Perfect Cube (Can use the Perfect Cube, which reflects all attacks back to the opponent and prevents anyone other than the conjurer from entering).

Yeah

Spatial Manipulation and Vector Manipulation with Bend Room (Can bend the surrounding space to change the direction of an attack, as well as control it)

Yeah

Scale up only for Worreldane: Memory Manipulation and Limited Retrocognition with Gallery of Memory (Can reproduce things that have already happened in a place)

Yeah

 

[GodSinBad2280]

It looks alright.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Iirc there is a statement about that but only using this panel isn’t enough you’re making suppositions

It's not an assumption, Nakaba makes it clear that Albion was created by Merlin

We need the raw not another English translation but we saw that It dissolves Albions that are made of rocks etc…

There is no need to check the raw, but here it is. We can see that both the format and the kanji are different from when they use 'ark', as can be seen here.

Shit point

I think so too, I couldn't believe I was writing this either.

We need the raw not another English translation but we saw that It dissolves Albions that are made of rocks etc…

I will provide it. I hope Kodansha's translation is not worse than the fan-made ones.
here

DK can’t decon OD it’s his own power Crisis that rots his body

You know this is in DK's profile, right? Anyway, his power increases the more damage he takes, deconstruction is a punishment given to them for reverting to their form

That’s using Guinevere power else he wouldn’t even be able to read the world’s fate

He is altering the future to achieve his desired outcome, I still think that would be fate manipulation.

Yeah iirc it was accepted in the same thread as disease manip etc…

Unfortunately it was never answered in the topic, so I brought it here again

When I turn on the PC I will post the scans

Edit: Done

 

[Zangnewbie]

Can you provide the sources of the scans for Gowther and Hawk?

 

[Zangnewbie]

I didn't see them in the 3 fanbooks I read

 

[Zangnewbie]

I agree with everything except for the limited passive causality manipulation of The Ruler

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Can you provide the sources of the scans for Gowther and Hawk? I didn't see them in the 3 fanbooks I read

You didn't find them because they are not from fanbooks, they are from Nakaba's interviews (That's where I got the quote about Merlin making the Albions)

You can get access to it by purchasing this:https://booklive.jp/product/finish-reading/title_id/754400/vol_no/001/sample_flg/1/from_bib/1/rurl/https://booklive.jp/my/book-shelf-kan/title_id/754400

 

[Makai641001]

It's not an assumption, Nakaba makes it clear that Albion was created by Merlin

You need to bring the scan for this

There is no need to check the raw, but here it is. We can see that both the format and the kanji are different from when they use 'ark', as can be seen here.

Yeah this is different but i was talking about the monspeet statement

I think so too, I couldn't believe I was writing this either.

I will provide it. I hope Kodansha's translation is not worse than the fan-made ones.
here

This is what i was asking for and Yeah basically It doesn’t indicate that It only dissolves demons

You know this is in DK's profile, right? Anyway, his power increases the more damage he takes, deconstruction is a punishment given to them for reverting to their form

Just saw that though the DK layer should be through Curse manip

He is altering the future to achieve his desired outcome, I still think that would be fate manipulation.

I don’t think It works since it’s not Using his own power

Unfortunately it was never answered in the topic, so I brought it here again

Ok

When I turn on the PC I will post the scans

Edit: Done

Nice

 

[Demon_Lord18]

You need to bring the scan for this

It's the scan presented in the OP, it comes from an interview with Nakaba

Just saw that though the DK layer should be through Curse manip

3 layers for DK

I don’t think It works since it’s not Using his own power

Ok

 

[speedster352]

You need to tag the staff

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Bump