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- 4,028
Helluva Boss Tiering
- High 8-C comes from this calculation, but the IMPs literally nearly die to it, which as per our Durability standards is not a valid way to scale. We also don't know if they tanked it point-blank or not.
- The second highest calculation is 8-C, which is not really valid as Stolas wouldn't experience full friction. Moon would shield most if not all of the force/energy, or otherwise Stolas would literally not be able to stand on the Moon. I elaborated on that over here.
- We have several accepted 9-B calcs.
Disagree: 0
Neutral: 0
Hazbin Hotel Upgrades
Tiering Fix
- Calculation that is used right now for 8-B+ and 8-A ratings were only accepted as "possibly" due to doubtful methodology.
- Everyone should scale to this feat, chainscaling remains same.
- So characters who are now 8-B+ should be "8-B, possibly 8-B+", and characters who are 8-A should be "At least 8-B, possibly 8-A".
Disagree: 0
Neutral: 0
Speed Upgrades
Everyone who scales to Alastor, including himself, should become Subsonic+ instead of just Subsonic due to this calc having speed of his tentacles as 230 m/s.Speed scaling: here, here, here.
Disagree: 1(@Mythic381 - with Charlie being blitzed)
Neutral: 0
Аngеlic Weapons Soul Erasure Slight Fix
It uses the wrong statement, it should actually use this one. It should become "limited" however, because soul erasure only works after you kill the demon.Agree: 6 (@Mythic381, @ShionAH - except for it being limited, @AyOgUyS, @LittleGuy99, @Bearat_Fearat, @Comiphorous)
Disagree: 1 (@ShionAH - only with it being limited)
Neutral: 0
Big Changes For Specific Characters
Vox
He unironically scales to Alastor according to his profile off of a simple statement, which shouldn't actually do so. There are also several times where Vox is clearly shown inferior to Alastor in series."Vox defeated Alastor in the past"
Where do people even get the idea that Vox is stronger than Alastor, you ask? The gist of it is in a certain line from Valentino: "You are still pissed he almost beat you that time".<a href="https://character-stats-and-profile...r_is_the_strongest_Overlord#cite_note-S1EP2-6"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a> While this seems like a valid argument at first glance, the context clearly implies that Valentino was not referring to Vox being a winner all by himself, if not to the fight at all.Option 1:
Valentino meant the competition between the radio and the TV, i.e. Alastor and Vox in spheres of influence. Alastor could "almost beat" Vox because his popularity almost got the better of Vox, but then he disappeared for seven years. This is hinted at by Vox's subsequent actions right after the statement: he highlights that it's been along time since Alastor has gone, and he's going to "show who's really in charge of things now"<a href="https://character-stats-and-profile...r_is_the_strongest_Overlord#cite_note-S1EP2-6"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a> and that he "is gonna make Alastor wish that he (Alastor) stayed gone"<a href="https://character-stats-and-profile...r_is_the_strongest_Overlord#cite_note-S1EP2-6"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a>. However, what do we see right after that? He simply blackmails Alastor on TV<a href="https://character-stats-and-profile...r_is_the_strongest_Overlord#cite_note-S1EP2-6"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a> (and fails<a href="https://character-stats-and-profile...r_is_the_strongest_Overlord#cite_note-S1EP2-6"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a>). If it was a physical fight that he lost, why didn't he "show who's really in charge of things now" by physically beating up Alastor? Blackmailing him wouldn't show anything at all in terms of that. Obviously, he's just showing who has more influence in Hell now, which makes Valentino talking about influence have far more sense.Option 2
It was a physical fight, but Alastor actually was winning. Everything still points to Vox not winning the battle himself. First and foremost, Alastor hints that Vox would have been helpless without the help of the other Vs,<a href="https://character-stats-and-profile...r_is_the_strongest_Overlord#cite_note-S1EP2-6"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a> which Valentino and Velvet themselves confirm with their smirk,<a href="https://character-stats-and-profile...r_is_the_strongest_Overlord#cite_note-S1EP2-6"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a> implying that they came for help when Alastor "almost beat" Vox. Also, from Alastor's battle with Adam,<a href="https://character-stats-and-profile...r_is_the_strongest_Overlord#cite_note-S1EP8-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> we clearly know that Alastor "getting ******" only evokes positive emotions in Vox,<a href="https://character-stats-and-profile...r_is_the_strongest_Overlord#cite_note-S1EP8-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> to the point it makes him geniunely happy and he says that "this is better than sex".<a href="https://character-stats-and-profile...r_is_the_strongest_Overlord#cite_note-S1EP8-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> Yes, he got angry later after Adam let Radio Deer escape,<a href="https://character-stats-and-profile...r_is_the_strongest_Overlord#cite_note-S1EP8-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> but in his part of the Finale song, he is still pretty much happy about the outcome, but Vox react very negatively<a href="https://character-stats-and-profile...r_is_the_strongest_Overlord#cite_note-S1EP2-6"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a> to the very statement that is supposed to he did beat Alastor.<a href="https://character-stats-and-profile...r_is_the_strongest_Overlord#cite_note-S1EP8-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> Supportingly, throughout the series, whenever Alastor is even slightly mentioned, he acts childish, very irritated and irrational,<a href="https://character-stats-and-profile...Alastor_is_the_strongest_Overlord#cite_note-7"><span>[</span>Note 1<span>]</span></a><a href="https://character-stats-and-profile...r_is_the_strongest_Overlord#cite_note-S1EP2-6"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a> which is a clear contrast to how in control and moderate he was shown to be before Valentino mentioned the Radio Demon.<a href="https://character-stats-and-profile...r_is_the_strongest_Overlord#cite_note-S1EP2-6"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a> Vox was so angry with Alastor that he caused a power outage throughout the entire Pentagram City,<a href="https://character-stats-and-profile...r_is_the_strongest_Overlord#cite_note-S1EP2-6"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a> even though Alastor only sang for less than just a minute.<a href="https://character-stats-and-profile...r_is_the_strongest_Overlord#cite_note-S1EP2-6"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a> And Vox's face was clearly scared when Alastor threatened him at the end of "Stayed Gone".<a href="https://character-stats-and-profile...r_is_the_strongest_Overlord#cite_note-S1EP2-6"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a>In conclusion, Vox had never defeated Alastor, and judging by their interactions, Alastor is clearly much more powerful than the TV Demon. Supportingly, he possesses an unimaginable level of raw power no mortal soul had attained up until that point, even the strongest Overlords who dominated for centuries,<a href="https://character-stats-and-profile...r_is_the_strongest_Overlord#cite_note-PILOT-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a> which should put him above Vox since Sinners are not born with power, having to perform dealings and exchange souls in order to grow more powerful,<a href="https://character-stats-and-profile...r_is_the_strongest_Overlord#cite_note-POWER-5"><span>[</span>5<span>]</span></a> and those Overlords should have had much more souls than Vox, and it was implied that Alastor can still fight and implicitly harm Vox, while being much weaker after his cane broke which he still didn't fix.
Agree: 4 (@Anonymous_Learner, @Mythic381, @AyOgUyS, @Bearat_Fearat)
Disagree: 0
Neutral: 3 (@DaReaperMan - wants to wait for Season 2, @y3p_owo - same as Reaper, @Comiphorous - same as Reaper)
Charlie
- Her physical AP should not scale to 7-C, only with magic and pitchfork. Her only physical feat was done by amplifying her hand, her another feat was done via Pitchfork.
- Profile should also note that her Pitchfork scales far above her magic, as it literally drew blood instead of just blocking.
Disagree: 0
Neutral: 0
Alastor
- He should downscale to 7-C in AP via strongest attacks AND (surprise) in Durability via Demon Form.
- He combined his tentacles and electricity to fightGeneral of Exorcists and it would implicitly do damage to him, as the latter still defended from them, and it actually harmed him when he restrained him and did so again when he threw him into the wall. Lastly, Alastor harmed General of the Exorcists with his own shadow (he literally growls and goes a couple of steps back), making him stroke his chin and ask Alastor if he thinks of himself as "tough sh*t".
- He scales in durability in Demon Form as he can tank his amplified tentacles as they are physically connected to his body, thus he would have to take the energy they do while performing the aforementioned feats.
- He should be 8-A via Explosion Manipulation due to this.
- He should have Low 7-CEnvironemtal Destruction due to this. It should also note that it was done pretty casually as he was not taking Pentious seriously at all.
- His Lifting Strength justification via tentacles should also have that he restrainedGeneral of Exorcists.
- He also should have upscaling from Vox via reasons I listed in Vox's section.
- His Range should scale to "at least Kilometers". as he, after seeing Vox blackmailing him in the middle of the Pentagram City, teleported to his radio station after several seconds, making his shadow put the radio in the middle of the Pentagram City from there in order to blackmail Vox back, and later manifested himself in Vox’s computers and cut off his signal from his station.
- He should have Husk and Nifty under Standard Equipment as "Can Summon".
- His Reality Warping links to different abilities, but they should be indexed separately. This is indexing website after all. We may as well put ALL of his abilities into Reality Warping this way.
- His Soul Rupture is bad, the reason why he can rip Husk's soul apart is because he owns his soul. It should become limited but not possibly.
- His Social Influencing should change justification to convincing Vaggie and Charlie into the deals, exploiting the desperation of their situations, although both agreed that they won't ever do so.
- Blood Manipulation (Made a drop of blood fall out of his hand)
- His Death Manipulation should either be Limited or change to Plant Manipulation, as it is shown only on rose and he never showed it against living beings, even in his fight against General of Exorcists, which would have been illogical if he actually had it.
- Light Manipulation (Can project red glowing light from his eyes as well as his microphone. Generated a burst of green light when offeringCharlie a deal. Did the same thing later, but when deal was accepted, a good chunk of inner building was covered by his woodoo symbols. Made the hotel lights flicker and change their color and intensity in a near fit of rage)
- His Teleportation should be changed to Summoning & Teleportation & Spatial Manipulation & BFR (Husk from a casino among with some part of a room from an unknown distance to the Happy Hotel and manifested Niffty from a fireplace.<a href="https://character-stats-and-profile...stor_(Canon)/TheOrangeGuy09#cite_note-PILOT-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a> Teleported the camera away and teleported Angel Dust, Niffty, Husker and his shadow minions to him with a snap.<a href="https://character-stats-and-profile...stor_(Canon)/TheOrangeGuy09#cite_note-S1EP1-2"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a> Seconds after seeing Vox blackmailing him in the middle of the Pentagram City, he teleported to his radio station to blackmail Vox back.<a href="https://character-stats-and-profile...stor_(Canon)/TheOrangeGuy09#cite_note-S1EP2-7"><span>[</span>7<span>]</span></a> Teleported beside Charlie on the bed, scaring her<a href="https://character-stats-and-profile...stor_(Canon)/TheOrangeGuy09#cite_note-S1EP7-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a>)
- Pseudo-Teleportation & Limited Incorporeality (Can melt into shadows to quickly move to different places)
- His Portal Creation should also be BFR, as he was removing Pentious' ship parts.
- Duplication under Broadaway Force (Can create multiple copies of himself)
- His Shockwave Generation should change to Air Manipulation, as when offering deal to Charlie, he created a green energy that bursted throughout the hotel and pushed back Charlie, Vaggie, and Angel Dust. During the acceptance of his second offer to the deal, generated a burst of green light again which pushed back Charlie, Razzle and Dazzle. Description is nothing like Shockwave and is textbook Air Manip.
- Resistance to Heat Manipulation & Fire Manipulation (Was able to lift Niffty unbothered that she has just been in fire he had created. Was unbothered by the fire in his hands)
He should have this weakness:
Agree: 10 (@Anonymous_Learner, @Mythic381 - except for weakness and Blood Manip & thinks Death Manip should become Limited rather than changed to Plant Manip, @DaReaperMan - except for electrified tentacles & durability scaling, @Comiphorous - same as Reaper + disagrees on Blood Manip, prefers the “possibly” rating for shadow downscaling, @AyOgUyS, @ShionAH - same as Reaper, @y3p_owo - same as Reaper + disagrees on Blood Manip, @LittleGuy99, @Bearat_Fearat)
Disagree: 5 (@Mythic381 - only with weakness and Blood Manip, @DaReaperMan - only with electrified tentacles & durability scaling, @Comiphorous - same as Reaper + on Blood Manip, @ShionAH - same as Reaper, @y3p_owo - same as Reaper + on Blood Manip)
Neutral: 0
General of Exorcists
Just a couple of corrections.- Him "holding back" against Alastor is a headcanon and contradicts the fact that he was shocked when Al dodged things initially and was angry/mad throughout the fight.
- "Erased all of Alastor's magic in one blow" is false. As explained above, it is just Alastor's weakness as he got blitzed by him despite having been able to keep up before (he even curses when he sees his cane broken, which wouldn't be the case if it was just a decoration thingy). He also immediately ceased fighting and ran away due to this despite being largely unbothered by the wound.
- "Fought and destroyed all of Alastor's shadow minions" is wrong as these shadows are meant to be tangible to attack him.
- "Is comparable to Lucifer" should specify that he was not serious, as he blitzed him when he got enraged.
- "Superior to Alastor" he literally never restrained him or anything him, so this should go too.
- He should have "far higher" with Аngеlic Weapons as with Charlie, whose Аngеlic Weapon drew blood from General of Exorcists while otherwise she is physically inferior to him.
Disagree: 3 (@DaReaperMan - only with being blitzed, @ShionAH, @Comiphorous)
Neutral: 0
Vaggie
Her 8-A should probably removed as she has no feats or statements specific to her. While Exorcists do have statements that get them above average Sinners, she herself is a former Exorcist and she was never noted to have such statements of superiority, even after her past was revealed.Agree: 5 (@Mythic381, @Anonymous_Learner, @LittleGuy99, @Bearat_Fearat, @Comiphorous)
Disagree: 1 (@Eden_Warlock99)
Neutral: 0
Аngеlic Weapons
As all of the profiles with the weapons note, they are "higher" while using the weapons. This should be enough to upscale from 8-B+ and grant them "possibly 8-A" rating, as they were the only means for Hazbin Hotel cast to defeat the Exorcists as is very much implied in Episode 7.Agree: 5 (@Mythic381, @Anonymous_Learner, @AyOgUyS, @LittleGuy99, @Bearat_Fearat, @Comiphorous)
Disagree: 0
Neutral: 0
Additionally, as @Anonymous_Learner proposed here, their Power Null should be removed for all but Striker's rope as it is made specifically for Striker to catch Stolas. Same with Non-Physical Interaction.
Agree: 2 (@Anonymous_Learner, @Comiphorous)
Disagree: 1 (@Mythic381)
Neutral: 0
Sinners
Sinners' Regeneration is listed as Low-High without saying it isn't non-combat applicable. However, I think this is fine since the soundtrack name confirms that Pentious died to explosion in Pilot (it also is used on official OST lists which Wikipedia uses as references), and almost all of his Egg Bois are also dead, since he came back relatively quickly (we still see the vapor), this would mean he quickly regenerated from death.Note: as @Anonymous_Learner pointed out here, Sinners' combat-applicable regeneration would be High-Mid, as Pentious was blown up by the explosion when dying to it, while over-time one would remain Low-High for regenerating from being eaten by cannibals in an unknown amount of time.
Agree: 6 (@Mythic381, @Anonymous_Learner, @AyOgUyS, @LittleGuy99, @Bearat_Fearat, @Comiphorous)
Disagree: 0
Neutral: 1 (@y3p_owo)
And that's all, ladies and gentlemen.
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