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High Preceptor vs The Omen King(Yixuan{Zenless Zone Zero} vs Margit, the Fell Omen{Elden Ring}) 7-0-0(Grace Finished)

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Yixuan(Zenless Zone Zero)-7
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Margit, the Fell Omen

Speed Equalized
Distance: 8 meters
Location:Margit's battle stage
Margit is 7-C
SBA for the rest
 
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hmmm, okay so at a glance yixuan seems to have the general stats edge here. morgott (i believe) should be at 8.96 KT and 35.99 tons for LS, whereas yixuan is at 10.68 KT and is upscaling from 1,313 tons for LS. she's about 1.2x stronger in AP and is 36x stronger in LS, which is very useful for her.

she's also outranging pretty damn hard, morgott's profile lists him as tens of meters whereas yixuan can attack from hundreds of meters with her techniques. briefly reading through morgott's profile, it does seem like a majority of his attacks are melee-based, which isn't great for him, since yixuan is more than comfortable attacking from a distance. coupled with stuff like her flight and the ability to teleport, it's going to make morgott actually hitting her really hard. yixuan can rain down danmaku on him, fire off long-range energy attacks, and can just forcibly pull him into attacks with her far superior LS.

i just don't really see morgott being able to do much here especially given the starting distance. yixuan is just going to immediately fly back and start pelting attacks at him from afar, and she can maintain the range advantage with her aforementioned flight and teleportation. morgott does seem to have type 5 immo on his profile, but i'd wager yixuan just pummels him with attacks until ether corruption builds up enough and just renders him unconscious or something like that

i'll wait to see if any elden ring supporters come with counterargs but this seems like a pretty comfortable yixuan W to me
 
Like most ER characters (although Morgott is especially victim to this), his profile is fairly outdated. However, I'd still probably agree that it looks like Yixuan wins. She has both better stats and better abilities, to the point where there isn't much Morgott can do.

In terms of the immortality, it isn't really combat applicable and really only applies to the main body of Morgott. (although lowkey a "Margit" key for Morgott would most likely get Type 4 & 8 since it is just a spiritual projection of himself which he can repeatedly bring back, but that ain't on his profile yet.)
 
Chritin said:
Like most ER characters (although Morgott is especially victim to this), his profile is fairly outdated. However, I'd still probably agree that it looks like Yixuan wins. She has both better stats and better abilities, to the point where there isn't much Morgott can do.

In terms of the immortality, it isn't really combat applicable and really only applies to the main body of Morgott. (although lowkey a "Margit" key for Morgott would most likely get Type 4 & 8 since it is just a spiritual projection of himself which he can repeatedly bring back, but that ain't on his profile yet.)
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makes sense. it admittedly does seem like a lot of stuff on his profile isn't combat applicable just through a brief read through but i haven't played ER so i can't really confirm that

anyways, idk if i'd necessarily call this a stomp but it does kinda seem like morgott is outclassed pretty hard here. he's getting outranged pretty badly not to mention the massive LS gap. kinda struggling to see if he even has any wincons at all here
 
Chritin said:
Like most ER characters (although Morgott is especially victim to this), his profile is fairly outdated. However, I'd still probably agree that it looks like Yixuan wins. She has both better stats and better abilities, to the point where there isn't much Morgott can do.

In terms of the immortality, it isn't really combat applicable and really only applies to the main body of Morgott. (although lowkey a "Margit" key for Morgott would most likely get Type 4 & 8 since it is just a spiritual projection of himself which he can repeatedly bring back, but that ain't on his profile yet.)
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Sooshirohl said:
makes sense. it admittedly does seem like a lot of stuff on his profile isn't combat applicable just through a brief read through but i haven't played ER so i can't really confirm that

anyways, idk if i'd necessarily call this a stomp but it does kinda seem like morgott is outclassed pretty hard here. he's getting outranged pretty badly not to mention the massive LS gap. kinda struggling to see if he even has any wincons at all here
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Ok then, I'll change the Distance to 8 meters to keep thing fair.
 
Sooshirohl said:
briefly reading through morgott's profile, it does seem like a majority of his attacks are melee-based, which isn't great for him, since yixuan is more than comfortable attacking from a distance. coupled with stuff like her flight and the ability to teleport, it's going to make morgott actually hitting her really hard. yixuan can rain down danmaku on him, fire off long-range energy attacks, and can just forcibly pull him into attacks with her far superior LS.
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Has Yixuan ever used her teleportation ability to reposition while she's in combat? Cause if not then I don't think she will think of using it right away here. Also it took quite awhile before she used her Danmaku against Miyabi, so I think it would take some time before she resorted to that.
Sooshirohl said:
i just don't really see morgott being able to do much here especially given the starting distance. yixuan is just going to immediately fly back and start pelting attacks at him from afar, and she can maintain the range advantage with her aforementioned flight and teleportation. morgott does seem to have type 5 immo on his profile, but i'd wager yixuan just pummels him with attacks until ether corruption builds up enough and just renders him unconscious or something like that
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The impression I got from Yixuan is that she's a close to mid range fighter, so I was thinking that she would close the distance instead of just spamming projectiles from afar, anyway the starting distance has been changed so Margit shouldn't have any trouble fighting back now. Regarding the Ether Corruption Margit actually has resistance to most of it's effects so it will probably take awhile for it to work on him.
 
MysticBrawler said:
Has Yixuan ever used her teleportation ability to reposition while she's in combat? Cause if not then I don't think she will think of using it right away here. Also it took quite awhile before she used her Danmaku against Miyabi, so I think it would take some time before she resorted to that.
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she hasn't used her teleportation to reposition mid combat no, so that's a fair point. as for the danmaku point, that's also fair, although i think it's worth noting that the situation was a bit different, since her and miyabi were sparring and she kinda just used it when she decided to lock in and take it a bit more seriously. against an opponent she's taking seriously from the start (which would presumably be margit here) i could see her resort to using it sooner

MysticBrawler said:
The impression I got from Yixuan is that she's a close to mid range fighter, so I was thinking that she would close the distance instead of just spamming projectiles from afar, anyway the starting distance has been changed so Margit shouldn't have any trouble fighting back now.
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she's kind of both. she excels at both CQC and long range, and she has no troubles switching between either or. going off her cutscene fights, she might just assess how margit fights first, just counterattacking and examining his moves before acting accordingly. if she deems him to be a threat at close range i don't see any reason why she wouldn't just float up and projectile spam

MysticBrawler said:
Regarding the Ether Corruption Margit actually has resistance to most of it's effects so it will probably take awhile for it to work on him.
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didn't see that initially, but yeah that's a fair point. although i don't think he resists the fear/empathetic manip from ether corruption so those might still affect him over time
 
Yeah she sparred with Miyabi at close range but when Miyabi got serious and powered through to melee range, Yixuan whipped out the Danmaku. Not to mention that once again, since Morgott's got a weaker LS, Yixuan can also just suction him into a vortex of Ether cuz LS meta
 
As Sooshirohl said, Yixuan Shifu holds a decent stat advantage, and in particular that LS advantage is going to be painful for Mr. Fell Omen. From what we see in cutscenes, Yixuan doesn't spam teleportation, but she is generally noted as a prodigy and seems willing to use it if necessary. Now that the starting distance is changed, she will likely keep the battle at close to mid range, as that is the distance she tends to prefer in cutscenes. However, her Qingming Bird provides her vastly more mobility than Margit, which she does utilize in combat to reposition.

Margit doesn't utilize his better abilities, since this is a projection and not the real deal. It's not even known if this projection of him can even utilize his Blood-related skills, or if he'd even be willing to, considering he doesn't when pressed in-game. He's got an experience advantage, and he's fought in various wars, but dealing with Yixuan's abilities will be tricky.

Masked isn't really sure how Ether Corruption affects the match. Although Margit resists many of the afflictions caused by Ether Corruption, he doesn't resist all of them. From what Masked knows, the person he is possessing in order to maintain this avatar will be transformed into an Ethereal, but as he is simply possessing the body Masked isn't sure how this affects the fight, if it affects it at all.

Yixuan's vortex is a powerful win condition, but Margit's bladed weaponry is dangerous if he can catch Yixuan off-guard with his various combos and ability to spawn his weapons out of thin air. Masked will assume this is not a stomp and vote for Yixuan Shifu FRA.
 
MaskedDragon908 said:
As Sooshirohl said, Yixuan Shifu holds a decent stat advantage, and in particular that LS advantage is going to be painful for Mr. Fell Omen. From what we see in cutscenes, Yixuan doesn't spam teleportation, but she is generally noted as a prodigy and seems willing to use it if necessary. Now that the starting distance is changed, she will likely keep the battle at close to mid range, as that is the distance she tends to prefer in cutscenes. However, her Qingming Bird provides her vastly more mobility than Margit, which she does utilize in combat to reposition.

Margit doesn't utilize his better abilities, since this is a projection and not the real deal. It's not even known if this projection of him can even utilize his Blood-related skills, or if he'd even be willing to, considering he doesn't when pressed in-game. He's got an experience advantage, and he's fought in various wars, but dealing with Yixuan's abilities will be tricky.

Masked isn't really sure how Ether Corruption affects the match. Although Margit resists many of the afflictions caused by Ether Corruption, he doesn't resist all of them. From what Masked knows, the person he is possessing in order to maintain this avatar will be transformed into an Ethereal, but as he is simply possessing the body Masked isn't sure how this affects the fight, if it affects it at all.

Yixuan's vortex is a powerful win condition, but Margit's bladed weaponry is dangerous if he can catch Yixuan off-guard with his various combos and ability to spawn his weapons out of thin air. Masked will assume this is not a stomp and vote for Yixuan Shifu FRA.
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Counted, and thanks for joining in.
 
MaskedDragon908 said:
As Sooshirohl said, Yixuan Shifu holds a decent stat advantage, and in particular that LS advantage is going to be painful for Mr. Fell Omen. From what we see in cutscenes, Yixuan doesn't spam teleportation, but she is generally noted as a prodigy and seems willing to use it if necessary. Now that the starting distance is changed, she will likely keep the battle at close to mid range, as that is the distance she tends to prefer in cutscenes. However, her Qingming Bird provides her vastly more mobility than Margit, which she does utilize in combat to reposition.

Margit doesn't utilize his better abilities, since this is a projection and not the real deal. It's not even known if this projection of him can even utilize his Blood-related skills, or if he'd even be willing to, considering he doesn't when pressed in-game. He's got an experience advantage, and he's fought in various wars, but dealing with Yixuan's abilities will be tricky.

Masked isn't really sure how Ether Corruption affects the match. Although Margit resists many of the afflictions caused by Ether Corruption, he doesn't resist all of them. From what Masked knows, the person he is possessing in order to maintain this avatar will be transformed into an Ethereal, but as he is simply possessing the body Masked isn't sure how this affects the fight, if it affects it at all.

Yixuan's vortex is a powerful win condition, but Margit's bladed weaponry is dangerous if he can catch Yixuan off-guard with his various combos and ability to spawn his weapons out of thin air. Masked will assume this is not a stomp and vote for Yixuan Shifu FRA.
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yeah this is a good analysis and pretty much summarizes my thoughts. i can concede that this isn't a stomp but i do still think yixuan wins. i'll also cast my vote for her
 
Naito-desu said:
Yeah she sparred with Miyabi at close range but when Miyabi got serious and powered through to melee range, Yixuan whipped out the Danmaku. Not to mention that once again, since Morgott's got a weaker LS, Yixuan can also just suction him into a vortex of Ether cuz LS meta
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So should I count this as a vote for Yixuan?
 
Yeah, Yixuan is way more versatile here compared to what Marge Morgott had here

But I wouldn't argue much now since everyone has already said what she need to win so I'll go with her FRA
 
MaskedDragon908 said:
You should probably state your reasons if you want your vote to be counted.
VS Wiki rules, and all that.
(How strict is the wiki about that? If you stated reasons earlier in the thread, does that count?)
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it does yeah. you can also just cast a vote by agreeing with the arguments already talked about in the thread (casting a vote FRA/for reasons above)
 
So should be 6 now:

Masked, Sooshi, Kisaragi, Naito, Jack, Athelchan

So one more for grace
 
How exactly does the type 5 immortality interact cross verse? Yeah Yixuan seems to have the general advantage here
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
How exactly does the type 5 immortality interact cross verse?
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Well, first, this is Margit, who is just an avatar. It wouldn't properly apply to him.

Second, in Elden Ring, the Immortality Type 5 of most characters isn't usually applicable to combat. From what Masked has read, having their fated deaths removed gave them Immortality Type 1, and if they are defeated in battle they return to the Erdtree. Basically, instead of dying, they are incapacitated.
 
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