Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

[SuperNova55555]

i think not even you yourself know what you're talking about at this point

No, you’re just confused on your critique. I’d implore you to accurately quantify what you actually mean by that statement if you genuinely think it holds any ground.

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

No, you’re just confused on your critique. I’d implore you to accurately quantify what you actually mean by that statement if you genuinely think it holds any ground.

i love it when you try to sound academic

If the functions of the Path are derivative of the energy, then to assume that the Path is simultaneously a universal requires you to commit to a second function, so that the Path simultaneously does the same job as Energy but also as Concept which is extremely unparsimonious.

are you not saying that path's effects are produced by path energy?

 

[SuperNova55555]

i love it when you try to sound academic

Aigh bruv, Ill talm like ts, ye?

are you not saying that path's effects are produced by path energy?

Ye, a Path’s effects are produced by the Path Energy… which is just the Path itself.

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

Aigh bruv, Ill talm like ts, ye?

too much punctuation bludd

Ye, a Path’s effects are produced by the Path Energy… which is just the Path itself.

okay? but path energy is just a manifestation of a path. especially when theyre explicitly stated to be multifaceted. they are definitely not raw energy. they have many ways to manifest. energy is drawn from paths. its not the paths themselves. the raw energy is the undistilled IE that is taken by aeons and shaped into paths. in turn, path "energy" is just the IE but molded through a path's principles.

 

[SuperNova55555]

okay? but path energy is just a manifestation of a path. especially when theyre explicitly stated to be multifaceted. they are definitely not raw energy. they have many ways to manifest. energy is drawn from paths. its not the paths themselves. the raw energy is the undistilled IE that is taken by aeons and shaped into paths. in turn, path "energy" is just the IE but molded through a path's principles.

You saw my previous message. You saw the scan of Welt saying Paths are the energy itself. The concept is just a property of the energy. Which is, ya know, how Aeons transform the energy in the first place when they ascend.

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

You saw my previous message. You saw the scan of Welt saying Paths are the energy itself. The concept is just a property of the energy. Which is, ya know, how Aeons transform the energy in the first place when they ascend.

that's just one way they manifest. himeko also calls them a philosophical concept which is why it requires alignment with it in some manner to draw from it. so surely, they are more than just those two. but originally, yes, it is energy. imaginary energy that is then taken by aeons to create more specific things. including laws and concepts that govern the universe.

also based on what RM said, a concept within the voracity changed and its manifestations in turn changed as well. that treats the conceptual alteration as the cause and not as a property emergent from altered energy. if you want to argue concepts are only energetic properties (or those first and anything else second) you'd need evidence that the path is reducible to its energy rather than the energy being an expression of the path.

 

[SuperNova55555]

you'd need evidence that the path is reducible to its energy

Yea I don’t need to do this because the series tells you straight-up. The entire comment is just conjecture that seemingly ignores the very obvious option harmonizing the issue which is that “philosophical concept” here is just a quantifier of the path energy itself. Which should be exceedingly obvious but I guess not.

The untamed imaginary energy surges endlessly through space-time vasculature, and forms at its tips "star clusters" that humans can understand — in other words, countless worlds.

The game in fact tells you how the effects of Imaginary Energy works, in that the energy itself forms the objects. The concept of a path is just the determiner of what that energy manifests.

Himeko: Therefore, only Aeons, who draw their energy from the imaginary, and Emanators, who are blessed by Aeons, can travel through the spaces filled with imaginary energy. That's why planets where civilizations exist are so similar.

Because again, going by this^ and Welt’s statement, you’d also have to explain how the Authority of an Aeon is seemingly detached from imaginary energy, because now it once again assumes their power is seemingly twofold, when it doesn’t necessitate it being as such.