How does hax work in Dragon Ball?

[Rikimarox2]

Basically the title.

I heard people say that in Dragon Ball, if you are stronger than your opponent, you'll resist their hax and stuff. But is that a weakness to the Hax, or just how ki works in general?

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

not everything, there are certain hacks which ignore AP and durability afterall

 

[Rikimarox2]

Wdym by "Not everything"? Isn't hax in general meant to ignore AP and such? Because in Dragon Ball, it seems that if you are stronger than your opponent, you resist their hax. What I wanna know, is if that's a weakness of the haxs in Dragon Ball, or because having more Ki than your opponent gives you resistances to their powers?

 

[Purgy]

Not something that's accepted here and probably never will or should be, few reasons;

1. It's not something that's actually acknowledged within the verse globally, it has been referenced in regards to some characters such as Hit, but that's a specific weakness for that character and not a general verse thing
2. There are lots of times hax worked on stronger characters in Dragon Ball
3. The idea itself is kinda ridiculous, being honest.

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

^

 

[HAKKAIDER]

about this I have a theory ... hax do work on those stronger than the user. after an X number of times your opponent is stronger and more resistant than you are greater the chances of him developing resistance to your Hax or creating a countermeasure (goku versus hit was not the greatest power, but the greatest speed)

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Dragon Ball isn't that haxxy, but I'm pretty sure the haxes in Dragon Ball can be overpowered by AP.

I believe this is a weakness of the hax rather than a resistance for the user, as the same hax coming from someone stronger than them still affects them

 

[Antoniofer]

Whenever someone with great strength/ki supply (remember that AP isn't a real thing outside of the wiki) is resistent to certain alteration inducing effects, or instead the hax is less effective when the target has more strength/ki than the user is relative.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Isn't AP just the name the wiki use to describe the physical strengrh of a character? Like how much damage they can deal?

 

[Antoniofer]

Physical strength? no, we have Striking Strength for that, Damage? in principle it does, but is not always the case.

As for the main topic, one may say that the character from DB do not resist stuff by AP, as there's few haxxes that can affect the characters despite the strength difference; in the other hand, one also may say that those powers that affected the strong characters are just more powerful than the other kind of hax, so is relative.

 

[Eganergo]

Dragon ball has hax?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Dragon ball has hax?

Yes. Buu's Candy Beam (Transmutation), Hit's Time Skip, Beerus' Hakai (Existence Erasure)

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

As for the main topic, one may say that the character from DB do not resist stuff by AP, as there's few haxxes that can affect the characters despite the strength difference; in the other hand, one also may say that those powers that affected the strong characters are just more powerful than the other kind of hax, so is relative.

Hax usually affects the character regardless of durability (as it ignores durability) but if a hax is resisted because of AP then it should be a weakness of the hax itself

 

[Darksmash]

Its basically whatever the hell the writer wants
You can't practically say whether hax and raw power have some sort of linear relationship in dragon ball

I don't even honestly remember many examples of hax being overpowered by AP in dragon ball.Hit's case was an exception because in his case if you can overpower his pocket dimension you can break free from his hax

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Buu's transmutation doesn't work against stronger beings such as Vegito. And Hakai also fails against weaker beings, such as Toppo's hakai being resisted by Vegeta, or Gods of Destruction resisting each others Hakai.

 

[Purgy]

Buu's transmutation worked fine, Vegito was still turned into a candy, he just retained his power and conciousness, but he didn't actually resist the transmutation.

There are examples of hax not working on stronger characters, but again, there are also multiple examples of hax working on stronger characters.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Then if so, how does Vegito has resistance to transmutation? Same goes for Xeno Trunks and Xeno Vegito

 

[Purgy]

He has resistance because he retained his consciousness and power like I said, he was still transmuted into candy though.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

That would be more of an unconventional resistance rather than a complete resistance.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

He has resistance because he retained his consciousness and power like I said, he was still transmuted into candy though.

If he still got turned to candy, he shouldn't have resistance to transmutation. It would be a kind of awkward resistance, where he only resist being knocked unconscious by the transmutation, but not the power itself

 

[Purgy]

I agree, it should either be limited or unconventional like Oliver_de_jesus said.

 

[ChocomilkAlex]

Dragon Ball's Haxxes can usually always be overcome by sheer strength alone. Not so much in Z, but definetely in Super.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Z didn't have many haxes to begin with. Most haxes mentioned were introduced in DBS

 

[RoyGundam]

Q : How does hax work in Dragon Ball ?
A : it doesn't

 

[RoyGundam]

Z didn't have many haxes to begin with. Most haxes mentioned were introduced in DBS

DBZ has : Candy beam, petrification spit, clothes beam (clearly Piccolo's most metrosexual ability)
DB had Carrot transmutation
DBS has mainly Time skip

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

DBS also have hakai

Candy Beam failed against Vegito, Petrification spit only worked on weaker beings (as seen with Future Trunks deflecting Future Dabura's spits, and he destroyed Dabura) and Clothes Beam isn't combat applicable at all.

Not ceetain about the Carrot thing since I didn't watched much of the OG Dragon Ball, but I'm pretty sure it was used on one of the weaker character

 

[Rikimarox2]

There's also Guldo's time stop.

 

[Makstar05]

Whis also has Time Manip.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

There's also Guldo's time stop.

Yeah, that. I'm pretty sure it only worked on Krillin and Gohan, who were weaker than him anyway. Vegeta just sliced his head off despite his time stop

 

[RoyGundam]

Yeah, that. I'm pretty sure it only worked on Krillin and Gohan, who were weaker than him anyway. Vegeta just sliced his head off despite his time stop

Guldo needs to hold his breath to activate his power and is really ****** weak otherwise. I think even Gohan had a higher power level than him at the time so he can't really do anything with his timestop

 

[Purgy]

Guldo wasn't using time freeze when Vegeta cut off his head, and no, both Krillin and Gohan were clearly far superior to him since he was barely even able to follow their movements.

 

[Nitro90]

You can not overpower hax in Dragon Ball just by being stronger than it I honestly hate how far this stigma has gotten.

Devilman,Guldo,Frieza,Buu,Ginyu,etc have proven this.

Even Hakai only working on weaker characters I would say is wrong. Because Goku should be erased by Sidra than.

 

[RoyGundam]

You can not overpower hax in Dragon Ball just by being stronger than it

Actually there are some hax that you can overpower - like Hit's Time Skip and some whose effects you can mitigate - like Buu's transmutation

 

[Nitro90]

Actually there are some hax that you can overpower - like Hit's Time Skip and some whose effects you can mitigate - like Buu's transmutation

Hit is more about speed besides the manga it's never stated not to work on stronger characters. Buu would more something with Vegito. Either way it's not some rule in the DB series like many believe

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

You can not overpower hax in Dragon Ball just by being stronger than it I honestly hate how far this stigma has gotten.

Devilman,Guldo,Frieza,Buu,Ginyu,etc have proven this.

Even Hakai only working on weaker characters I would say is wrong. Because Goku should be erased by Sidra than.

Ginyu is an exception. But Buu's transmutation is (partially) resisted by stronger beings such as Vegito and Xeno Trunks, and as for Sidra's hakai, he didn't used anything close to his full power, and Goku wss about to get erased if it weren't for Beerus coming to save him.

Later we see Toppo use hakai and Vegeta resisting it with SSJBE. Also Jiren defeating his GoD implies Belmod's hakai doesn't work on him

 

[RoyGundam]

Ginyu is an exception. But Buu's transmutation is (partially) resisted by stronger beings such as Vegito and Xeno Trunks, and as for Sidra's hakai, he didn't used anything close to his full power, and Goku wss about to get erased if it weren't for Beerus coming to save him.

Later we see Toppo use hakai and Vegeta resisting it with SSJBE. Also Jiren defeating his GoD implies Belmod's hakai doesn't work on him

It's never been directly stated that Jiren defeated Belmod

 

[Nitro90]

Ginyu is an exception. But Buu's transmutation is (partially) resisted by stronger beings such as Vegito and Xeno Trunks, and as for Sidra's hakai, he didn't used anything close to his full power, and Goku wss about to get erased if it weren't for Beerus coming to save him.

Later we see Toppo use hakai and Vegeta resisting it with SSJBE. Also Jiren defeating his GoD implies Belmod's hakai doesn't work on him

How is Ginyu a exception I gave more examples than just him he's the rule. Why is xeno trunks even being mention. As you said yourself the beam still worked Vegito was just able to keep he's strength and speed but he couldn't even use he's energy attacks or turn himself back. also Buu absorption works on stronger enemies.
" Sidra didn't use anywhere close to he's power" alright and? Are you saying he wasn't trying to get rid of Goku/Frieza? So why did he give it to the assassins in the first place?
"Goku was about to get erased " base on what exactly? Because he was tried ? He was trying to do the same Frieza did and condense it only he wasn't stronger enough actually he wasn't even strong enough to move the attack was clearly to much for him to handle which is resistance sense he survived it.
We have no idea how the fight with Jiren and Belmond went

 

[elhermanopadre]

You can not overpower hax in Dragon Ball just by being stronger than it I honestly hate how far this stigma has gotten.

Devilman,Guldo,Frieza,Buu,Ginyu,etc have proven this.

Even Hakai only working on weaker characters I would say is wrong. Because Goku should be erased by Sidra than.

Devilman is to be proven. Vegeta mentioned that guldo' was physically weak but has strong psychic powers, that's a feat from guldo not an anti feat for the others. Buu isn't an example, his beam worked on people weaker than himself, Ginyu was comparable to base form goku from Namek saga (proceed to swap with that same base goku not kaioken), irrelevant examples. You can claim that hakai works on people weaker, but hax is still hax, existence erasure is existence erasure.

 

[Darksmash]

I don't recall a single statement generalising AP>Hax throughout the verse

 

[RoyGundam]

Goku breaking Hit's Time stop technique by simply powering up (anime, in case anyone is wondering) is about as blatant as it gets