How to bypass Invulnerability?

[Adamjensen2030]

Suppose a 2-C and a 2-B fight each other but the 2-B has Invulerability as it's ability. What abilities would the 2-C have to have to bypass Invulnerability?

Thanks for reading.

 

[DaFritzi]

Invulnerability makes you immune to physical damage. As such it does not block soul and mind based attacks. Abilities like reality warping, conceptual manipulation and others can also bypass it. Sealing can also be considered a way of bypassing it.

A powerful reality warper / conceptual manipulator can theoretically negate the opponents invulnerability. Certain types of power nullification can do so as well. In that case they can be damaged with regular physical attacks as well.

 

[Adamjensen2030]

Invulnerability makes you immune to physical damage. As such it does not block soul and mind based attacks. Abilities like reality warping, conceptual manipulation and others can also bypass it. Sealing can also be considered a way of bypassing it.
A powerful reality warper / conceptual manipulator can theoretically negate the opponents invulnerability. Certain types of power nullification can do so as well. In that case they can be damaged with regular physical attacks as well.

Any other abilities that can bypass invulnerability?

 

[ThisIsMySwagPack]

Causality manipulation, possibly probability manipulation. Void manipulation and Nonexistence as well.

 

[DaFritzi]

There is actually quite a list of abilities that can in some way or another bypass invulnerability should the degree of control be sufficiently high:

Time Manipulation, Spatial Manipulation, Age Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, Existence Erasure, Void Manipulation, Causality Manipulation, Probability Manipulation, Power Nullification, Death Manipulation, Plot Manipulation, Logic Manipulation, Information Manipulation, Mathematics Manipulation, Higher Dimensional Manipulation, Chaos Manipulation, Law Manipulation

Depending on how the specific ability and the invulnerability work: One Hit Kill, Physics Manipulation, Petrification, Transmutation, Magic, Absorption, possibly Matter Manipulation, possibly Antimatter Manipulation

This should have been all.

NOTE: Some of them may be debatable or depending on the situation and how the powers in question work. Should the invulnerability of the character in question be limited to his skin/armor/shell even more abilities will work. Also note that invulnerability is sometimes tied to certain conditions (activation requirement, limited duration, etc.). In that case skill, strategy, preparation, intelligence and/or experience can be used in order to exploit those weaknesses to get around the invulnerability.

 

[DerpCity]

If I'm not mistaken, Invulnerability is considered a No Limits Fallacy, and at best is considered incredibly high durability. As such, a character with far superior AP to the invulnerable being's showings could defeat them easily.

Also, I'm pretty sure the 2-B is already "invulnerable" compared to the 2-C with sheer durability alone, but I'm not that familiar with the higher tiers so I could be wrong.

 

[DaFritzi]

@DerpCity

Depends on the character and the situation. However, yes, unless a verse has statements/feats confirming otherwise invulnerability is usually considered to be ineffective against characters with far higher AP. This is mostly the case.

It depends on where those 2-C and 2-B characters are located within their own tier. A strong 2-C can possibly hurt a weak 2-B. If there is a noteable gap between those two, than yes, the 2-B is likely invulnerable by durability alone.

 

[Antvasima]

DerpCity is correct. We tend to go by what is stated in the durability section.

 

[Adamjensen2030]

Thanks for the information everyone. I appreciate it.

Can someone please close this thread?

 

[Golden_Void]

Just to tack on before it's locked, with what DerpCity said, same applies to immortality. See Zeno vs Zamasu for that example.

 

[Adamjensen2030]

Just to tack on before it's locked, with what DerpCity said, same applies to immortality. See Zeno vs Zamasu for that example.

Which types of immortality do you mean?

 

[Antvasima]

That is correct. Invulnerability is also a kind of misleading ability name, as it is almost always a no-limits fallacy.