'I know you are Kira, I just can't prove it yet"- Doakes vs Light Turner

[Doggo]

@CastoriceTheFifth kidnapped my dog and threatened to castrate him if I didn't do this.

Scenario:
-Light lives in Miami as a student. His dad works for the Miami P.D.
-Doakes, for whatever reason, is using a fake name. His fake name is "Bruce Wayne" (let me enjoy myself)
-Light gains the Death Note and starts killing criminals, the first victim was in Miami, causing Doakes to suspect Kira is in the region.
-Light's goal is to kill Doakes, while Doakes must prove Light is Kira.
- L and Dexter don't exist here


"Is bro for real?"

"Surprise motherfu-"


They kiss (I wanted to use the GIF, but I feel like I will suffer a fate worse than death if I did that):


This is Netlfix Light lol

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

 

[Doggo]

 

[Doggo]

mmmmmmm

Screw it, we ball. With his crazy intuition, Goatkes suspects Light Imagay is Kira, but legit can't prove it

Meanwhile, idk how Light is getting "Bruce Wayne's" identity

uhhh incon? Or Light frames Doakes as a killer, similar to what Dexter tried, and gets Doakes killed by exploiting his anger issues to make the police kill him. Idk.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Light can def gaslight Doakes to hell and back, though because Light is Japanese half of his gaslighting methods that he's canonically used in the show likely just wouldn't work as much on Miami people because of the vastly different culture and social standards of people there compared to in Japan. Wouldn't it also be logical to use irl records and stuff? Light can definitely hack and access them, and even if Doakes is going by a fake name for some reason there's no reason why a random cop like him would be some navy seal/CIA level invisible operative with all his real information disposed of or something (unless you add that to the matchup but...inshallah...what's the point).

Unironically, this appears to be very similar to the Kira vs L situation in cannon, except all Doakes has is L's instincts/intuition to know Kira is Light but would legitimately never be able to prove it without being sent to some mental institute. Light might lowkey make America great again.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Light can def gaslight Doakes to hell and back, though because Light is Japanese half of his gaslighting methods that he's canonically used in the show likely just wouldn't work as much on Miami people because of the vastly different culture and social standards of people there compared to in Japan. Wouldn't it also be logical to use irl records and stuff? Light can definitely hack and access them, and even if Doakes is going by a fake name for some reason there's no reason why a random cop like him would be some navy seal/CIA level invisible operative with all his real information disposed of or something (unless you add that to the matchup but...inshallah...what's the point).

Unironically, this appears to be very similar to the Kira vs L situation in cannon, except all Doakes has is L's instincts/intuition to know Kira is Light but would legitimately never be able to prove it without being sent to some mental institute. Light might lowkey make America great again.

Doakes when Light keeps internally yapping:

 

[Doggo]

Doakes when Light keeps internally yapping:

Bro atp let's give him telepathy. This is not normal

Light can def gaslight Doakes to hell and back, though because Light is Japanese half of his gaslighting methods that he's canonically used in the show likely just wouldn't work as much on Miami people because of the vastly different culture and social standards of people there compared to in Japan. Wouldn't it also be logical to use irl records and stuff? Light can definitely hack and access them, and even if Doakes is going by a fake name for some reason there's no reason why a random cop like him would be some navy seal/CIA level invisible operative with all his real information disposed of or something (unless you add that to the matchup but...inshallah...what's the point).

Unironically, this appears to be very similar to the Kira vs L situation in cannon, except all Doakes has is L's instincts/intuition to know Kira is Light but would legitimately never be able to prove it without being sent to some mental institute. Light might lowkey make America great again.

Good point about the name record thing lmao. I sorta made this as a joke because I legit can't fathom how Doakes can stop Light from you know...writing down his name?

I disagree with the method bit. L is British, while Near, Mello, and Ray Penber were American. All of them fell for his tricks. Cultural differences will not hinder Light at all, especially if he lives long enough in the region.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Bro atp let's give him telepathy. This is not normal

1. AFAIK, it's trick sometimes used in psychological probing. Target is deep in thought. You suddenly asks him open-ended question in hope to catch him off guard and get incriminating information from him. I watched Death note long ago, but remember how is usual for Light to have long inner monologue. Could be potentially useful against him.
2. In novels Dexter thinks that Doakes has dark passenger too

 

[Pyro9278]

2. In novels Dexter thinks that Doakes has dark passenger too

In the novels.

Btw Doakes is a detective with a good instinct, he would immediately suspect Light, and even then, just like with Dexter, I highly doubt he'd get any solid leads against Light, which would simply result in him being killed or framed. The only way I see Doakes having an advantage is if he starts to put pressure on Light and tricks him into something, like when Doakes discovers Dexter's crime scene.

 

[Phoenks]

What TF is this match dude. Doakes is not getting anywhere within a light-year of even suspecting Light Yagami. Are we serious?

Doakes would not even be able to intuit the mechanics of the death note in the first place. This is a ridiculous matchup bruh.

Light Yagami is on an entirely different level from Dexter Morgan.

 

[Pyro9278]

What TF is this match dude. Doakes is not getting anywhere within a light-year of even suspecting Light Yagami. Are we serious?

I know you're having fun but I can't prove it.

Seriously speaking, the chances of Doakes actually being there are really low.

 

[Mommyleona]

Considering Doakes is the bay harbour butcher, Light just kills him as he did with any other criminal

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Yeah, Light takes this

 

[Arkansalter2]

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Doakes when Light keeps internally yapping:

 

[Doggo]

What TF is this match dude. Doakes is not getting anywhere within a light-year of even suspecting Light Yagami. Are we serious?

Doakes would not even be able to intuit the mechanics of the death note in the first place. This is a ridiculous matchup bruh.

Light Yagami is on an entirely different level from Dexter Morgan.

That's why I had to pull a lot of strings for this work lol

With Light being in Miami and the whole "Bruce Wayne" crap

 

[Doggo]

Should I use Netflix Light? Bro is a ****** so Doakes might stand a chance lol

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Should I use Netflix Light? Bro is a ****** so Doakes might stand a chance lol

Doakes annihilates if it is Netflix Light

 

[Doggo]

Doakes annihilates if it is Netflix Light

well Netflix's Light's DN is Bs


lol

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

well Netflix's Light's DN is Bs


lol

Netflix Light folds the moment he gets a woman's attention lol

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Netflix Light folds the moment he gets a woman's attention lol

Yall can do Light Turner considering someone yapped for several pages on how Light Turner wins against L Lawliet in a previous matchup and was raging about it lol

 

[Lonkitt]

Doakes when Light keeps internally yapping:

No but like why does the show never explain this

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

No but like why does the show never explain this

Just give the dude telepathy in a crt

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

No but like why does the show never explain this

Just give the dude telepathy in a crt

Intuition

 

[Doggo]

Yall can do Light Turner considering someone yapped for several pages on how Light Turner wins against L Lawliet in a previous matchup and was raging about it lol

That thread was horrendous lol

No but like why does the show never explain this

Just give bro the CRT

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Back on topic, I vote for the God Of The New World FRA

 

[MrKerf]

So, the main problem is the fact that Light is much more limited outside of Japan, even in this scenario. He can't hack anything without using Fate/Mind of the Death Note (as he doesn't have his father's access), and using it on his fellow cops paints a target on him, while not directly helping. Acting in character, Light lacks a clear way of ending the fight quickly.

Doakes is another case. For him it is very much in character to confront Light directly, going even outside his jurisdiction. He is more prone to a physical confrontation or breaking and entering, both of which along with his intuition counter Light a ton. Additionally, his Social Influencing feat of almost convincing Dexter to turn himself in is very much a wincon, even against Light (Dexter > Light in this case imho).

 

[Lonkitt]

For him it is very much in character to confront Light directly, going even outside his jurisdiction. He is more prone to a physical confrontation or breaking and entering, both of which along with his intuition counter Light a ton.

See, the problem there is that just like in Dexter, just because he's more prone to physical confrontation doesn't necessarily mean he's going to be more effective at stopping Light. If anything, his aggression might make it easier for Light to mess with him. Keep in mind, he still has to actually prove Light is Kira. Then there's the fact that Light's DEFINITELY gonna set up a trap for if anyone tries to discover his Death Note just like in canon. This actually makes Doakes more vulnerable than anyone else in Death Note because if he sneaks in one day while Light is out or for some other reason just barges in, he'll look around, probably activate a trap if he's nosy enough, and get killed

 

[MrKerf]

Keep in mind, he still has to actually prove Light is Kira.

Naturally, though, I do find this restriction to be a bit artificial. Still, Doakes can find the Death Note or force Light to confess through SI.

Then there's the fact that Light's DEFINITELY gonna set up a trap for if anyone tries to discover his Death Note just like in canon. This actually makes Doakes more vulnerable than anyone else in Death Note because if he sneaks in one day while Light is out or for some other reason just barges in, he'll look around, probably activate a trap if he's nosy enough, and get killed

Not in character. The trap in canon was exclusively to destroy the Death Note to look innocent, he wouldn't do a... SAW traps or explosions. I know normally we consider vsbattles to be in a vacuum, but in this scenario I would think police and other people still exist and Light wouldn't want to do this much.

 

[Lonkitt]

Naturally, though, I do find this restriction to be a bit artificial. Still, Doakes can find the Death Note or force Light to confess through SI.

I seriously doubt Doakes is gonna SI his way into a victory here. It would be completely out of character for Light to get pressured into doing that and Doakes doesn’t have nearly good enough SI to get the guy to confess

I think there’s absolutely no way he gets Light to come clean

Not in character. The trap in canon was exclusively to destroy the Death Note to look innocent, he wouldn't do a... SAW traps or explosions. I know normally we consider vsbattles to be in a vacuum, but in this scenario I would think police and other people still exist and Light wouldn't want to do this much.

Who ever said anything about SAW traps? I was suggesting that Light creates the desk trap again, once again, to make himself look innocent…also, that desk trap would’ve caused an explosion so….yeah, that would happen actually. Sure, it’s just to get rid of the evidence, but if the evidence is gone, Doakes’ chances are gone as well. That would just be an incon outcome. So no, Doakes being more physically confrontational isn’t a plus in his favour at all

Yes, Light wouldn’t wanna just kill police randomly. But you gotta remember his character. He’s actually a lot looser about killing than Dexter is. It’s the reason he kills Lind L. Taylor, a guy he assumed was just normal police officer, just because he declared Kira’s actions to be evil. He killed Ray and the other FBI investigators, all of which were completely innocent, just because they were looking into him

Again, I’m not saying Light’s gonna make some SAW traps to kill a bunch of cops, but I think he would absolutely make the desk trap and I think Doakes is kinda ****** in most situstions


If he tries squeezing the info out of Light via SI, nothing’s gonna happen. His SI really just isn’t that good and he’s not a high level genius like L who would be able to get the better of him in verbal confrontations. If he tries investigating Light’s home, either the trap goes off and the Death Note gets destroyed, or he doesn’t even find the damn thing there because Light keeps it somewhere else (such as on himself)

 

[MrKerf]

I seriously doubt Doakes is gonna SI his way into a victory here. It would be completely out of character for Light to get pressured into doing that and Doakes doesn’t have nearly good enough SI to get the guy to confess

I think there’s absolutely no way he gets Light to come clean

Doakes almost succeeded with Dexter, who is also a genius and can be argued for having better... willpower? mental? ideals? compared to Light's.

Who ever said anything about SAW traps? I was suggesting that Light creates the desk trap again, once again, to make himself look innocent…also, that desk trap would’ve caused an explosion so….yeah, that would happen actually. Sure, it’s just to get rid of the evidence, but if the evidence is gone, Doakes’ chances are gone as well. That would just be an incon outcome. So no, Doakes being more physically confrontational isn’t a plus in his favour at all

Yes, Light wouldn’t wanna just kill police randomly. But you gotta remember his character. He’s actually a lot looser about killing than Dexter is. It’s the reason he kills Lind L. Taylor, a guy he assumed was just normal police officer, just because he declared Kira’s actions to be evil. He killed Ray and the other FBI investigators, all of which were completely innocent, just because they were looking into him

Yes, but it backfired on him eventually. Just like with L, who said the name of a famous actor to put him into a corner, he can't simply kill off those police members close to him.

Again, I’m not saying Light’s gonna make some SAW traps to kill a bunch of cops, but I think he would absolutely make the desk trap and I think Doakes is kinda ****** in most situstions

Doakes does have an incredible intuition, I doubt he'd be caught in the desk trap. Besides, it wasn't an explosion, just a fire.

If he tries squeezing the info out of Light via SI, nothing’s gonna happen. His SI really just isn’t that good and he’s not a high level genius like L who would be able to get the better of him in verbal confrontations.

Hey, argue with his profile, not me.

 

[Lonkitt]

Doakes almost succeeded with Dexter, who is also a genius and can be argued for having better... willpower? mental? ideals? compared to Light's.

Um, no he didn’t…? Doakes didn’t come close because of SI, he came close because he found the blood samples of the victims in Dexter’s house

Please provide evidence that Doakes has some great SI to bleed info from Light here because if you know either character well enough, you know that Doakes doesn’t have the conversational finesse to make Light confess. Seriously, this isn’t a wincon for the guy at all

Yes, but it backfired on him eventually. Just like with L, who said the name of a famous actor to put him into a corner, he can't simply kill off those police members close to him.

Except those were incredibly different situations. It’s disingenuous to say “well it backfired there so it’ll do the same here”

The goal is for him to kill Doakes. We aren’t discussing the aftermath. Plus, given how nobody in Miami’s PD Force is in L’s level as well as the fact that they lack his resources, I doubt killing Doakes would even have Light get caught ultimately

Doakes does have an incredible intuition, I doubt he'd be caught in the desk trap. Besides, it wasn't an explosion, just a fire.

Okay? Cool? Either way, the Death Note would be toast and Doakes wouldn’t have have a single lead with concrete evidence

There’s also the fact that he has to…Y’know…prove the Death Note can do what it does. The rules inside aren’t enough for Miami PD to go “geez, nice one, this must be it”. Hell, Doakes would probably think the book is BS as well

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Um, no he didn’t…? Doakes didn’t come close because of SI, he came close because he found the blood samples of the victims in Dexter’s house

Please provide evidence that Doakes has some great SI to bleed info from Light here because if you know either character well enough, you know that Doakes doesn’t have the conversational finesse to make Light confess. Seriously, this isn’t a wincon for the guy at all

I would also like people to remember that Light withstood isolation and light torture from L for a good amount of time.

Except those were incredibly different situations. It’s disingenuous to say “well it backfired there so it’ll do the same here”

The goal is for him to kill Doakes. We aren’t discussing the aftermath. Plus, given how nobody in Miami’s PD Force is in L’s level as well as the fact that they lack his resources, I doubt killing Doakes would even have Light get caught ultimately

Agree

Okay? Cool? Either way, the Death Note would be toast and Doakes wouldn’t have have a single lead with concrete evidence

There’s also the fact that he has to…Y’know…prove the Death Note can do what it does. The rules inside aren’t enough for Miami PD to go “geez, nice one, this must be it”. Hell, Doakes would probably think the book is BS as well

Also, Doakes' Name is pretty easy to get, and Light always has the notebook on him. He gets his name and Doakes is cooked.

 

[MrKerf]

Um, no he didn’t…? Doakes didn’t come close because of SI, he came close because he found the blood samples of the victims in Dexter’s house

Please provide evidence that Doakes has some great SI to bleed info from Light here because if you know either character well enough, you know that Doakes doesn’t have the conversational finesse to make Light confess. Seriously, this isn’t a wincon for the guy at all

"Doakes used persuasion and psychological pressure to manipulate Dexter, nearly convincing him to turn himself in before his death".

The good ol' saying of "don't like it - make a CRT" never fitted better XD You can question the level of his SI, but can't question SI itself. I personally feel like almost convincing a guy like Dexter is a wincon, as I consider Dexter to be more impressive compared to Light in terms of mental fortitude. We can discuss that instead.

Except those were incredibly different situations. It’s disingenuous to say “well it backfired there so it’ll do the same here”

The goal is for him to kill Doakes. We aren’t discussing the aftermath. Plus, given how nobody in Miami’s PD Force is in L’s level as well as the fact that they lack his resources, I doubt killing Doakes would even have Light get caught ultimately

My main point is that Light would simply not do that (at least not until looong after the start), as opposed to that backfiring on him.

Okay? Cool? Either way, the Death Note would be toast and Doakes wouldn’t have have a single lead with concrete evidence

There’s also the fact that he has to…Y’know…prove the Death Note can do what it does. The rules inside aren’t enough for Miami PD to go “geez, nice one, this must be it”. Hell, Doakes would probably think the book is BS as well

When the book states about heart attacks and there being numerous heart attack victims across the Miami. Sure. Also again... Intuition. Gut sense. Etc, etc.

 

[Lonkitt]

"Doakes used persuasion and psychological pressure to manipulate Dexter, nearly convincing him to turn himself in before his death".

See, the problem with this is that it's ignoring A LOT of context. Like....HEEEEEEAAAAVY context that wouldn't allow Doakes to pull this off in any other situation

The good ol' saying of "don't like it - make a CRT" never fitted better XD You can question the level of his SI, but can't question SI itself. I personally feel like almost convincing a guy like Dexter is a wincon, as I consider Dexter to be more impressive compared to Light in terms of mental fortitude. We can discuss that instead.

See, now you're just deliberately being disingenuous by going "Welp, I know it's not a perfect description, but if it's on the page, it's on the page!!!! "

This isn't one of those times. You just need to know what actually happened during that scene

Let's just go over the context because you're making this out like Doakes could approach Light and make him confess in minutes flat

• Doakes had outright confirmed that Dexter was the Bay Harbour Butcher, acquiring the blood samples and direction confronting Dexter in the act
• Dexter had subdued and imprisoned Doakes, being faced with a moral dilemma since Doakes did not fit "the code", but he also couldn't just set Doakes free
• Dexter became more willing to talk because...
  • Doakes had caught Dexter in the act and knew what he was like fully mask off by this point
  • Doakes looked into Harry's past and uncovered highly valuable information about him, with Dexter recently having made other revelations about his adopted father that had him questioning much of his past as well as the actions he takes on a daily basis
• Doakes ultimately failed to fully convinced Dexter to turn himself in...Dexter meditates on it for a day, realizes it would tear Debra apart, and then goes "yeah Imma pass on the whole confession thing LMAO"

So I want you to tell me...why would Doakes, having ABSOLUTELY NOTHING on Light, having nothing of personal value to use leverage against him, and not having seen Light's true self/catching him in the act, ever in a million years just walk up to Light and immediately pressure him into confessing he's Kira with a conversation? Because it seems like you're just ignoring heavy context in favour of making Doakes seem like an SI master, which he really isn't I'm afraid to say

My main point is that Light would simply not do that (at least not until looong after the start), as opposed to that backfiring on him.

He came up with the desk trap relatively early into Death Note. It isn't impossible for him to make it in this whole set up

When the book states about heart attacks and there being numerous heart attack victims across the Miami. Sure. Also again... Intuition. Gut sense. Etc, etc.

Sure, it would be evidence, no one's denying that...but how can Doakes ACTUALLY prove that this supernatural book is legit? He'd have to kill someone with it, which he wouldn't

Gut isn't enough to win here


FURTHERMORE

Let's say Doakes looks into Light's past like he did with Dexter...there's gonna be FAR LESS red flags. There's nothing crazy in Light's past sticking out like a sore thumb. Death Note makes this clear multiple times. Light's a top of his class student and....that's it. No classes in advanced Jiu-Jitsu or anything else weird like that. I'm not saying Light wouldn't set off a radar for Doakes, but the more James searches, the less he's gonna actually get to point anything suspicious out


Oh, and there's the fact that Light can EASILY get Doakes real name. Why'd you gloss over that?

 

[Lonkitt]

Anyways, here's how I see the situation playing out

Doakes' intuition makes him suspicious of Light. He looks into him and follows him when he can, but Light's able to catch on pretty much almost immediately and play things cool. This gets worse for James as everything he researches can't really help him point out anything strange about Yagami. Even his history helping the police in the past has no relevance here because that was in an entirely different country. Whenever Doakes isn't following him, Light wouldn't have a hard time finding out Doake's real name

Worst case scenario? He could do what Doggo mentioned and get Doakes framed as a killer. But what Doggo didn't mention is that this still wouldn't be an incon, because if Light somehow doesn't get Doakes' name, his real name would be made public once his arrest is made

Either way, Light writes down "James Doakes" in the Death Note, and it's a wrap

Voting Light Yagami

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Are we also forgetting Light has Ryuk? The **** is Doakes gonna do against a Shinigami

 

[Lonkitt]

It wouldn’t be hard for Light to get Ryuk to help out here like in canon. He pulled it off quite a few times

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Are we also forgetting Light has Ryuk? The **** is Doakes gonna do against a Shinigami

Give him an apple

 

[Doggo]

I also want to mention that Light already handled similar tricks from L, who:

1. Made a bluff about sending more investigators on TV, which would have normally made a killer panic, but Light remained calm and pointed out the bluff
2. Planted multiple cameras in Light's room, yet Light was able to kill without a shift in facial expressions. A normal killer would be pissing themselves in Light's position
3. Revealed his face to Light randomly. If Light were Dexter, he would be visibly panicking. Yet Light remained completely composed, not even showing a slight change in his microexpressions, with L even calling his facade "too perfect"

How tf would Doakes pressure this guy to reveal himself as Kira?

Doakes almost succeeded with Dexter, who is also a genius and can be argued for having better... willpower? mental? ideals? compared to Light's.

Yes, but it backfired on him eventually. Just like with L, who said the name of a famous actor to put him into a corner, he can't simply kill off those police members close to him.

Doakes does have an incredible intuition, I doubt he'd be caught in the desk trap. Besides, it wasn't an explosion, just a fire.

Hey, argue with his profile, not me.

Doakes exploited Dexter's morals, who, unlike Light, has a code. Doakes won't be able to guilt-trip Light the same way he did Dexter. This mofo did not hesitate to kill law enforcement in canon and has repeatedly shown to be very composed.

That "fire" will remove the evidence. Doakes will fail the Kira case if he has no proof. Also, his intuition is just him thinking Dexter was a killer, give proof that suggests he can sense a hidden trap.

So, the main problem is the fact that Light is much more limited outside of Japan, even in this scenario. He can't hack anything without using Fate/Mind of the Death Note (as he doesn't have his father's access), and using it on his fellow cops paints a target on him, while not directly helping. Acting in character, Light lacks a clear way of ending the fight quickly.

Doakes is another case. For him it is very much in character to confront Light directly, going even outside his jurisdiction. He is more prone to a physical confrontation or breaking and entering, both of which along with his intuition counter Light a ton. Additionally, his Social Influencing feat of almost convincing Dexter to turn himself in is very much a wincon, even against Light (Dexter > Light in this case imho).

Read OP, Light is part of the Miami P.D. as an information analyst.


Also, L has stupid levels of intuition like Doakes, with BS like piloting a helicopter with pure intuition or thinking Light is Kira despite all evidence pointing against that during the Yotsuba arc. Gee, I wonder what happened to L when he fought Light.....

Light's SI beats Doakes, and it's not close. Doakes is more likely to be ragebaited and fired from his job than he is to manage to guilt-trip Light.

Are we also forgetting Light has Ryuk? The **** is Doakes gonna do against a Shinigami

Ryuk would only help identify if Doakes is following Light or if he planted wiretraps in his home. He won't be too helpful

Give him an apple

Smh so true