The last one I was responding to. You said "In"
...This is a literal nitpick, when I said "in" I meant "on top of him", when people say they are "in bed" nobody means they are literally inside the bed
Edit: I guess "on" Master Overlord would be the best choice, not like it changes my argument
It goes back to Dr. Starlight. Metal wouldn't need a "Proper plan" if Master Overlord scaled to Supers, as he would just need to overwhelm them. Shadow would Power Null Master Overlord if it were a Super, as to be a Super, it would need to heavily rely on Chaos Energy. Sonic states its not a Super.
Bro did you even READ what Starline or I said? He literally complains he only had "overwhelming power", he literally complains that Metal only had power to overwhelm others but not an actual strategy ("He thought
overwheling power would save the day without a proper plan), I can't believe your interpretation is the
exact opposite of what he actually said. Your other setence is a complete non sequitur, I never said he was a super state
You are heavily relying on Metal Sonic being a reliable narrator who is good at planning, where characters like Dr. Starlight doubts Metal Sonic's planning, Sonic's observation, and scaling to Base characters, all saying otherwise.
No, YOU are the one who is heavily recontextualizing and misunderstading character statments that DON'T mean what
you think it means, while nitpicking evidence that is literally PIS even if he DIDN'T scale to supers
Btw, Starline is NOT a realible source, his "proper plan" was worse than Eggman's (Even though his statment HEAVILY goes against yours) and Sonic's is a complete non sequitur to my point
They charge at him (Watch as they aren't on Metal)
Elixir, if a bunch of flies flew at your face you wouldn't be able to block them super super easily, also they LITERALLY charged to be "on Metal", stop ignoring your own scans to say I am wrong
I also can easily say that Metal saying he didn't need his "final form" to mean its greater than his Super form to be the OOC statement/an unsupported interpretation of his statement to mean MO more powerful than the Super Forms.
Saying things are "PIS or OOC" without supporting evidence to the claim is not enough, when I'm able to do it back
No, you can't, that's not how debating works, "no u" isn't a valid point by itself, there's actual reasoning behind my claims, unlike your bolded which is literally a "no u are the PIS". Master Overlord is already portrayed as being far above base characters, their attacks only distract him, they can only attack using combined moves, Sonic and Knuckles would rather use their super forms to fight him, and they can only beat him without the Master Emerald, meanwhile your evidence is..? None, just that I said it was PIS so you went "no u" on me
Show a scan Sonic meant Metal lost the Hax that was owning him and Knuckles by losing Super, if Sonic's statement was so clear, that would make Metal's statement not OOC
Here, I'll show a scan for my argument of Tails saying Metal lost abilities(Could likely mean Hax) from losing Master Overlord, that Sonic states was not a Super Form, than anyone saying that about Metal losing Super
That's NOT what Tails says...
sigh, he says he reverted back to his base abilities, plus Master Overlord does have some abilities his other forms didn't (like the crystal attack)
Also, I am tired of this weird shifting of burden of prood, you are the one who came in this thread saying Master Overlord isn't super form tier (need to word this correctly otherwise you are going to nitpick on he "isn't a super form or whatever, so YOU need to prove it, I don't need to prove why I am right, you have barely provided any evidence, only demading things, things that YOU should show
Yes, Sonic was not talking about hax, he was looking at the bright said "
on the plus side, he isn't a super form anymore", this isn't a statment where Sonic is glad that Metal is inferior in every way like your tunnel vision implies, basic english interpretation would interpret this as Sonic being glad Metal lost things that Master Overlord doesn't have, ergo the hax, especially since he was still getting owned, his attacks were like flies hitting someone's face, an annoyance, he had to taunt him and use combined attacks, and even then only the Master Emerald being removed and the ship actually did anything
Which transformation are you referring to?
Master Overlord transformation, which you completely glossed over in all your shitty examples, and then you later posted but then just focused on "power null" (which is complete bullshit, that's just time limit, Shadow is never ever stated to null super forms, his timer just ran out because that's something we can prove, otherwise he would have nulled the Master Emerald)
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This is what I mean by manipulating evidence, you post a BUNCH of
irrelevant shit, then you complete gloss over on the parts that debunk you, like his transformation blocking all Knuckles and Shadow's attacks
Which Metal Sonic desired after losing Super and found himself getting beaten on by Shadow
Another re-contextualizing, Starline's statment of "overwhelming power" has nothing to do with "Metal desired his lost power", you are completely making shit up that's not said, but it fits
your vision, so you just go with it
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Master Overlord wasn't something he just made on the spot, and even then we SEE Master Overlord in Starline's statment about raw power, your recontextualization makes absolutely no sense
Base Silver's raw strength ------------ Super Silver's raw strength
But this thing about Silver could lead to derailment
TK is objectlively not raw strengh, it's a hax that is supported by your strengh
The entire first part of your second post is a complete non sequitur, him not being a super form means absolutely nothing to my argument, Metal Overlord also isn't a super form
1. In IDW lore, the power from Chaos Emeralds, including the Master Emerald, gives a variable amount of power depending on the situation and usage. It does not automatically mean it gave Master Overlord power so great the Base characters were helpless against it.
Starline never mentions the Master Emerald in his statment, this is more of "taking a statment and extrapolating things that aren't said", also even with a variable power there's still a minumun, which 5-B rating already is (the Eclipse Cannon laser is seen, and that's 5-B with six emeralds)
Also why are you cherrypicking Master Overlord? If you are using "muh variable" then no super form has 5-B feats, you are just scaling based on your
completely arbitary scaling, where Super Sonic can scale but not big mean Master Overlord because he passes those
(Remember, chaotic means unpredictable. Metal shouldn't have been able to predict his "Final Form" would be more powerful than the Super Forms. He even states he is disappointed he didn't even need to use his final form for what had he planned because the Super State was taking care of Sonic and Knuckles for Metal)
MORE baseless recontextualizing, that's NOT what he ******* means when he was disappointed, first only the emeralds have "chaotic" power, not the Master Emerald, meaning that using Master Overlord would be less of a gamble than his super form itself and would automatically be more powerful than it, especially since the ME is stronger than the emeralds ("Most powerful gemstone in the world"), meaning only Super Metal would have the risk of his power being variable
2. Automatically assuming the Master Emerald always give the maximum amount of power, would mean anytime the Master Emerald gives someone a Super Form and not a Hyper Form, would be its PIS. (With Sonic Mania, Super Emeralds are canon once again)
Why are you using game scaling now? What the ****? Hyper forms aren't canon in IDW, we have never seen any Super Emeralds in IDW, that's not how the IDW canon works, we don't assume the exact same things happened in the game canon, only things the comic has show (Like the werehog), that's why there's no 4-A, 2-C, FTL, 5-A scaling, this is a complete non sequitur
3. Since IDW used Game Canon as its starting point, there are canon weapons and technology we don't scale to Super Forms, even if they are using the 7 Chaos Emeralds
Chaos Energy Canon
No, that's not the reason, I was here when IDW started being scaled, the reason is that game events can happen differently and therefore we can only scale what is actually show in the comic, that's why it's only 5-B even though we see the Time Eater, because we can't know if he performed the same feat
I am tired of being Mr.Nice Guy, post proof and evidence against Master Overlord super scaling, the burden is on you
