Igniting Your Inner Flame: Cinner Vs. Nob (Supreme Dualist Stickmen Vs. The Shoobieverse), Deciding FC/OC's #1 4-A Character (STOMP)

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Cinner

Cinner, also known as Cinner of the Burning Staff, is the main protagonist of Supreme Duelist Stickman and a participant in the Supreme Tournament. Trained by his Grandpa Singener from a young age with the staff, he fights to be the strongest—entering the tournament to do so. He serves as a key...

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Nob/Kam

Picture this: It is millions of years before the dinosaurs arrive on earth, where there's single-cell organisms roaming around the planet. The Creator, the creator of The Shoobieverse in its entirety, is sitting on his palace that resides among The Shoobieverse, millions of miles away from Earth...

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Rules:
Cinner will be in his Revived Vestige Arc, Post Star-Absorption Key, while Nob/Kam will start out as Nob and be in his 2025 Key.
Anything above 4-A restricted.
Standard equipment ONLY.
Speed Equalized, SBA Applies.
Notes:
Nob has a 6.86375489-6861.54712x AP advantage, depending on the end used for Cinner's calculation
Nob has a heavy LS advantage
Nob has the Range advantage
Nob has the IQ & Combat IQ advantage

Both characters have equal Stamina

 

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Starting with some stuff right off the bat :3

Cinner is going to have to find an alternative win condition other than death of the opponent...Due to Nob having type 1, 3 and 5 immortality on top of High-Godly regeneration and plot manipulation, killing him is a non-option in this bout

While I doubt anything notable will come up, Nob's 2025 key is still being added on to (soon I plan to change the name of the keys based off of a plot event so this key will soon be wrapped-up), so it's not out of the question that Nob could gain more abilities over the course of this matchup thread

Anyways, you may begin :]

 

[MintyBoi1]

Nob’s standard tactics say he won’t start with violence, which gives Cinner plenty of time to gauge the AP disadvantage and start to rely more on his unique options. Mainly his aura, which Nob will not be able to resist due to its temperature. Meaning he’ll be able to be melted. Even if he can regenerate from that, staying in close proximity will just make the same thing happen again, leaving Nob in a death loop. I also have some problems with Nob’s EG combat skill rating. The justification is Mavericks having trained since the beginning of time and being above mortals in the verse, but how much does that speak to actual battle IQ? Experience doesn’t automatically equal skill and none of the people Nob is stated to be above are EG. I don’t think his feats of taking on an army of fodder suffice for that high a rating. Cinner also has his analytical prediction and mobility to rely on to avoid any attempts at melee. The sensing would nullify Nob’s ability to affect his perception as well.

Cinner could also knock Nob away an Interplanetary distance, which he doesn’t seem to have a counter for.

 

[Phoenks]

Nobs page says he resists the temperature of a stars core so not sure how Cinner's aura will do much here.

 

[MintyBoi1]

Nobs page says he resists the temperature of a stars core so not sure how Cinner's aura will do much here.

Cinner’s aura temperature should be close to the sun’s going off of this. It might depend on how casual Nob’s feat is but with the AP gap not being a stomp he should eventually start taking some damage. And once it’s accumulated the death loop can start

 

[Phoenks]

Cinner’s aura temperature should be close to the sun’s going off of this. It might depend on how casual Nob’s feat is but with the AP gap not being a stomp he should eventually start taking some damage. And once it’s accumulated the death loop can start

The sun's core has a temperature of 15 million Celsius. What on that pages matches up to it??

Also the AP gap is 6,000 times in Nob's favor. That is enough to blast the guy into chunks with a tap.

 

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Cinner’s aura temperature should be close to the sun’s going off of this. It might depend on how casual Nob’s feat is but with the AP gap not being a stomp he should eventually start taking some damage. And once it’s accumulated the death loop can start

The feat was casual, believe it or not ... Quote, "Nob gets up, brushes off his body and sits there for a second, staring at Hatget 2.0 before lunging at him". Since Kam's abilities transfer to Nob (and vice versa), Kam fought Derreck, whose body was hot enough to vaporize Patatino simply by being nearby, similar to how Cinner's aura would likely work around a regular person :3

As for the beginning part (standard tactics), Nob only avoids confrontation until he knows that fighting is inevitable...often times this does lead to him being passive at first, but he decided to fight Hatget 2.0 after only about 5-10 seconds of avoiding the fight and agreed to fight Pat's army after he and Derreck decided that they have to punch their way out of this one :3

As for the death loop...how will that happen, exactly?- Cinner doesn't have any other way to defeat Nob other than a death loop (as the BFR isn't to another dimension, although Nob could avoid that also via a combination of abilities), but he has no way to reliably do that given Nob's immortality type 5, and even if Nob lacked that immortality type his High-Godly regeneration would more than make up for it...his reactive evolution (albeit taking about 3 minutes) will allow him to evolve from new abilities that he's hit by, plus the fact that his existence erasure and BFR (and arguably transmutation as well) are instant win cons :0

 

[MintyBoi1]

The sun's core has a temperature of 15 million Celsius. What on that pages matches up to it??

Also the AP gap is 6,000 times in Nob's favor. That is enough to blast the guy into chunks with a tap.

“Most of a white dwarf's mass is therefore at almost the same temperature (isothermal), and it is also hot: a white dwarf with surface temperature between 8000 K and 16000 K will have a core temperature between approximately 5000000 K and 20000000 K.”

And I’m leaning more towards the magnitude 4 end for causing noticeable ripples. So just a 6x difference. Big but not stomping.

The feat was casual, believe it or not ... Quote, "Nob gets up, brushes off his body and sits there for a second, staring at Hatget 2.0 before lunging at him". Since Kam's abilities transfer to Nob (and vice versa), Kam fought Derreck, whose body was hot enough to vaporize Patatino simply by being nearby, similar to how Cinner's aura would likely work around a regular person :3

As for the beginning part (standard tactics), Nob only avoids confrontation until he knows that fighting is inevitable...often times this does lead to him being passive at first, but he decided to fight Hatget 2.0 after only about 5-10 seconds of avoiding the fight and agreed to fight Pat's army after he and Derreck decided that they have to punch their way out of this one :3

As for the death loop...how will that happen, exactly?- Cinner doesn't have any other way to defeat Nob other than a death loop (as the BFR isn't to another dimension, although Nob could avoid that also via a combination of abilities), but he has no way to reliably do that given Nob's immortality type 5, and even if Nob lacked that immortality type his High-Godly regeneration would more than make up for it...his reactive evolution (albeit taking about 3 minutes) will allow him to evolve from new abilities that he's hit by, plus the fact that his existence erasure and BFR (and arguably transmutation as well) are instant win cons :0

Was that him inside the sun? Even if so, he’d be faced with seemingly much more prolonged exposure which would probably do something. The very high end of a white dwarf is above the sun’s core and the mid end is barely under it. Also just vaporizing someone with no heat resistance isn’t that impressive compared to that feat.

5-10 seconds is plenty of time for the scenario I laid out to happen. Cinner seeing a passive opponent shaking off his attacks should make him wisen up quick. That could be especially bad if he goes for BFR.

How exactly does his type 5 work, it’s very vague. If he really has high-godly regen he shouldn’t die anyway. Meaning he’s trapped constantly regenerating in Cinner’s aura. The RE is vague so I’m not sure how him evolving would help exactly. His portal creation needs prep time so he can’t easily get away. Also how does he come back from the BFR?

As for existence erasure, the only mention says he immediately brought the person he erased back. And it seems it took time for him to use transmutation, which Cinner could exploit to get off his win cons. There’s also the point of Nob being easily distracted. Neither of those insta win options seem very in character for him to use before it’s already too late.

 

[Phoenks]

“Most of a white dwarf's mass is therefore at almost the same temperature (isothermal), and it is also hot: a white dwarf with surface temperature between 8000 K and 16000 K will have a core temperature between approximately 5000000 K and 20000000 K.”

This is still ~5 million to ~20 million degrees c , which is not enough to continuously melt through Nob's resistance whatosever. ~15 million degrees c is on the higher end of that spectrum. At most it would be a 1.3x difference in temperature, which is not enough for the win condition you are suggesting.

And I’m leaning more towards the magnitude 4 end for causing noticeable ripples. So just a 6x difference. Big but not stomping.

What makes you lean on the magnitude 4, exactly? Usually we take the lowest ends. Especially considering it seems this is just a "ripple."

And "universe shaking feats" are some of the most vague feats in general. So it is usually best to go with the most conservative estimates.

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To be honest, as an outsider, this fight seems incredibly one-sided.

Not only does Nob just outright resist the one win-condition brought up for Cinner, but he also just has... High-Godly Regeneration, Mind Reading, Power Mimicry, Reactive Evolution, etc.

Cinner has absolutely nothing on his page to get around these things.

He also doesn't seem to resist getting erased or getting turned into a potato, both of which are instantaneous win conditions.

This is a stomp match.

 

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And I’m leaning more towards the magnitude 4 end for causing noticeable ripples. So just a 6x difference. Big but not stomping.

Was that him inside the sun? Even if so, he’d be faced with seemingly much more prolonged exposure which would probably do something. The very high end of a white dwarf is above the sun’s core and the mid end is barely under it. Also just vaporizing someone with no heat resistance isn’t that impressive compared to that feat.

5-10 seconds is plenty of time for the scenario I laid out to happen. Cinner seeing a passive opponent shaking off his attacks should make him wisen up quick. That could be especially bad if he goes for BFR.

In that case (presuming the high-end white dwarven core heat is being used & with Cinner not getting one-shot), Nob could reactively evolve to that kind of heat within 3 minutes. That's not nearly enough time for a death loop to happen off of aura alone >:3

Cinner's BFR wouldn't work on Nob effectively enough to be considered a win con...Derreck slapped Kam several solar systems away and he was able to come back (with the 2 scaling to each other) but if that isn't enough Nob was capable of fighting Hatget 2.0 3 planets away (more specifically Nob being in the sun's core and Hatget being near earth). Even if he was punched far further, his enhanced senses would allow him to return to battle :3

How exactly does his type 5 work, it’s very vague. If he really has high-godly regen he shouldn’t die anyway.

As for existence erasure, the only mention says he immediately brought the person he erased back. And it seems it took time for him to use transmutation, which Cinner could exploit to get off his win cons. There’s also the point of Nob being easily distracted. Neither of those insta win options seem very in character for him to use before it’s already too late.

Nob's Type 5 immortality is most comparable to that of Salivus C Otter's, where there's almost a law stating that he is incapable of dying. He hasn't died within 1 and 1/2 years of roleplay and Chad (the 5th dimensional elder god, and one of the roleplay verse's strongest) directly stated that Nob can't die :]

Here's the scans for both abilities, both work more effectively than you described:

Transmutation: "Thats it Turns Braixy into the GlaDos baked potato body"
EE: "Nob does the thanos snap and erases Chatter from existence.

WHAT- WHAT- NOB, WHAT THE ****- |•|slowly fading-|•| YOU--

|•|oh. They're gone.|•|"

 

[MintyBoi1]

I guess it’s a stomp then. Just remove Cinner from the running for 4-A

 

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I guess it’s a stomp then. Just remove Cinner from the running for 4-A

No no wait, he can still sit comfortably in the #2 spot! Cinner's still incredibly haxxed, he's just bested here specifically :3

 

[Phoenks]

(neither of them are the real strongest 4-A so it's okay)

 

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(neither of them are the real strongest 4-A so it's okay)

cough Mega cough

One of these days Nob will be capable of feasibly fighting him...one day... >:3

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

cough Mega cough

One of these days Nob will be capable of feasibly fighting him...one day... >:3

No shot that happens

 

[FlipLaScript]

No shot that happens

It going to be a hell of a long time before I even think about it, but in a year or 2 it may be feasible :3

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

It going to be a hell of a long time before I even think about it, but in a year or 2 it may be feasible :3

The dude gonna have High 1-A stuff?

 

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The dude gonna have High 1-A stuff?

Oh absolutely not , mega's high 1-A stuff would have to be restricted...the maximum Nob could feasibly get to would be Low 1-C, possibly High 1-B scaling off of the cosmology, but that would need to get approved and Nob would have to do something wild...I don't think he'll ever get there physically though :0