Immortality Question

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

If a character says he can't die and that he cannot be killed, and that he has not shown to have any other types of immortality besides the type 3 (can heal broken bones in seconds/minutes), is that enough for type 5 immortality?

 

[SheevShezarrine]

If that's the only context, absolutely not

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

As said before, it depends, the characters could be only saying he is very hard to kill

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

If that's the only context, absolutely not

As said before, it depends, the characters could be only saying he is very hard to kill

To add another context:
This character died from a fall and was buried, but she was between life and death because her demon part (she's a half-demon) cannot die.

 

[SheevShezarrine]

To add another context:
This character died from a fall and was buried, but she was between life and death because her demon part (she's a half-demon) cannot die.

Are there showings/statements wherein other demons show potential Type 5 Immortality?

Type 5 is a seriously OP type since it by its nature requires specific hax to be counteracted, so it requires some pretty extraordinary evidence.

As for what you described, that's pretty cut and dry Types 4+8

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Are there showings/statements wherein other demons show potential Type 5 Immortality?

They showed they couldn't die too.
They were banished to their dimensions instead of being killed, suggesting that they couldn't be killed (even though the person who banished them did everything he could to prevent them from returning, after defeating them in combat in the first place)

As for what you described, that's pretty cut and dry Types 4+8

The character did not die in the first place, only his human side was, not his demonic side, so there was no resurrection.
Why type 8?

 

[MattSatire]

If a character says he can't die and that he cannot be killed, and that he has not shown to have any other types of immortality besides the type 3 (can heal broken bones in seconds/minutes), is that enough for type 5 immortality?

No, the character is should neither life nor death or beyond of that

 

[SheevShezarrine]

They showed they couldn't die too.
They were banished to their dimensions instead of being killed, suggesting that they couldn't be killed (even though the person who banished them did everything he could to prevent them from returning, after defeating them in combat in the first place)

Could be compelling evidence, provided the person who banished them had access to hax or other abilities that could deal with Immortality Type 3 and any other immortalities displayed by the demons. How potent is their Type 3, by the way?

The character did not die in the first place, only his human side was, not his demonic side, so there was no resurrection.
Why type 8?

Did the human side return from death eventually? Did the body die at all and return? If so, that would be Type 4, and then Type 8 for being reliant upon the demon half.

 

[Experiment12]

If a character says he can't die and that he cannot be killed, and that he has not shown to have any other types of immortality besides the type 3 (can heal broken bones in seconds/minutes), is that enough for type 5 immortality?

It depends, we don't know objectively whether he can't die or can't be killed because of what, this is Subjective.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

How potent is their Type 3, by the way?

I specify it in my post

Did the human side return from death eventually?

Nope, she explicitly said he is dead, only his demonic side is alive

 

[Experiment12]

Nope, she explicitly said he is dead, only his demonic side is alive

Ka If it's like this then there's a big possibility of getting Multiple Selves

 

[SheevShezarrine]

I specify it in my post

That's not very specific, healing broken bones in seconds to minutes can be achieved by any level of regen

Nope, she explicitly said he is dead, only his demonic side is alive

Sounds like multiple selves

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

That's not very specific, healing broken bones in seconds to minutes can be achieved by any level of regen

I would say at least High Low.
Wally West is cited as an example for this type of regeneration because he can regenerate broken bones quickly.

Ka If it's like this then there's a big possibility of getting Multiple Selves

Sounds like multiple selves

We're just talking about a hybrid here, not independent entities that exist in this character.
His demon blood, boosted by an artifact that gives her other demon abilities to some extent, just seems to keep his body alive.

But either way, whether it's Multiple Selves or not, there's still immortality involved here.

 

[AThe1412]

I would say at least High Low.
Wally West is cited as an example for this type of regeneration because he can regenerate broken bones quickly.

That's not very specific, healing broken bones in seconds to minutes can be achieved by any level of regen

It depends on what bone is broken and how bad it is as well. Healing a broken ankle for example can be done easily with Low. Healing a broken neck? High-Low given you'll have to regenerate your spinal chord as well. Healing every broken bone? At the very least High-Low and can go higher depending on the severity. Also, High-Low is probably not enough to qualify for Immortality Type 3. The character has to be able to survive things that would normally kill others through regeneration.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

It depends on what bone is broken and how bad it is as well. Healing a broken ankle for example can be done easily with Low. Healing a broken neck? High-Low given you'll have to regenerate your spinal chord as well. Healing every broken bone? At the very least High-Low and can go higher depending on the severity.

A broken forearm and wrist

lso, High-Low is probably not enough to qualify for Immortality Type 3. The character has to be able to survive things that would normally kill others through regeneration.

Indeed

 

[AThe1412]

A broken forearm and wrist


Indeed

Yeah that's Low, maybe Mid-Low if they're heavily fragmented.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Yeah that's Low, maybe Mid-Low if they're heavily fragmented.

Ok thanks for the clarification.

What is your opinion about immortality? About my question?

 

[AThe1412]

Ok thanks for the clarification.

What is your opinion about immortality? About my question?

I definitely agree with Type 4 and 8.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

I definitely agree with Type 4 and 8.

Why?

 

[AThe1412]

Why?

Because I agree with the other comments. Also...
"5: Deathless Immortality: Characters who exist unbound by conventional life or death, or do not exist at all, and thus cannot be traditionally killed. Typically, abilities such as Existence Erasure are needed to destroy them."
Giving him Type 5 would equate to giving him Immunity to Death Manipulation and Life Manipulation because that's how it works.
He honestly doesn't sound that hard to kill. You just need a character who can affect his demonic side since killing him normally only kills the human one.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Giving him Type 5 would equate to giving him Immunity to Death Manipulation and Life Manipulation because that's how it works.
He honestly doesn't sound that hard to kill. You just need a character who can affect his demonic side since killing him normally only kills the human one.

The problem is that his demonic side cannot be killed according to her, he cannot die. The two mages who confronted her were unable to kill her, even with their hax (she says their magic doesn't work on her). This is in some ways similar to Euz, who has the same abilities as the two mages mentioned above, who banished Demons instead of killing them.

 

[AThe1412]

The problem is that his demonic side cannot be killed according to her, he cannot die. The two mages who confronted her were unable to kill her, even with their hax (she says their magic doesn't work on her). This is in some ways similar to Euz, who has the same abilities as the two mages mentioned above, who banished Demons instead of killing them.

What kind of hax do they have? Their hax might lack the ability to interact with the demon side or it might simply have resistance to those hax.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

What kind of hax do they have?

• Transforms someone's bones into water
• Burns someone alive from the inside of the body
• Makes someone combust
• Makes someone's head explode
• Makes a man explode
• Asphyxiate someone (I don't have the feat in English version with me)

The half-demon faced two mages who had these abilities, and they either weren't used or didn't work because she said (in the third link) 'Your Art cannot harm me.'

or it might simply have resistance to those hax.

Indeed

 

[AThe1412]

• Transforms someone's bones into water
• Burns someone alive from the inside of the body
• Makes someone combust
• Makes someone's head explode
• Makes a man explode
• Asphyxiate someone (I don't have the feat in English version with me)

The half-demon faced two mages who had these abilities, and they either weren't used or didn't work because she said (in the third link) 'Your Art cannot harm me.'

Those hax are good and all but there's nothing suggesting that they're Death Manipulation apart from, well, causing death. So no Immortality Type 5 but the character should at the very least gain resistance to those listed abilities. If there are enough feats of him consistently not being affected by any type of magic then he can even gain resistance to it.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Okay