Invincible TV Series Changes + More Comic Changes

[FuriousFieryFist]

Continuing from the other thread but focusing more on the show this time. I'll start with the comic changes, since there's less.

Comic Changes:​

Allen the Alien

• Change Extrasensory Perception to just Enhanced Senses. The justification for it falls more in line with enhanced awareness.
• Remove Adaption since it's not reliant on his own powers but rather his genetic modification by Unopan scientists. Additionally, simply traveling to different planetary environments without explicit statements of them being deadly or differently from our own is not enough justification for this.
• Remove Attack Reflection since the blast just ricochet off his chest without any input from him.
• Self-Sustenance (Type 1) - Allen can survive in space indefinitely.
• Resistance to Radiation Manipulation - Once again, Allen can survive in space indefinitely.

All Viltrumites

• Resistance to Fire Manipulation - Mark was unfazed by Furnace's fire blasts.
• Enhanced Resistance to Radiation Manipulation - Mark survived a nuke point blank without any negative effects.

Invincible & Thragg

• Resistance to Plasma Manipulation - While Mark and Thragg did eventually begin to burn, they managed to have an extended fight in which they repeatedly dipped into the suns surface which is made of superheated plasma and withstood coronal mass ejections.

All Viltrumite Survivors of the Scourge Virus

• Resistance to Disease Manipulation - All remaining viltrumites that managed to overcome the scourge virus should be granted this since the disease wiped out 99.9% of their population. Suffice to say anyone who survived it was a cut above the rest when it came to natural disease resistance.

Invincible

• Enhanced Resistance to Disease Manipulation - Mark was able to recover from an improved version of the scourge virus.

TV Series Changes​

All Viltrumites - Following the same line of reasoning from this thread. Basically every viltrumite posses the same powers and abilities, meaning every ability displayed by certain viltrumites should be applicable to the race as a whole. With that in mind every viltrumite would receive the following abilities:

• Change Regeneration (Low-Mid) to Regeneration (Low-Mid over time) - Over the course of nearly two months Mark regenerated from having his torso pierced and his intestines ripped out by Conquest
• Underground Mobility - Used by Invincible.
• Enhanced Lung Capacity - Used by Omni-Man.
• BFR - Used by Invincible.
• Shockwave Generation - Used by Invincible, Conquest, and Omni-Man.
• Space Survival - Omni-Man was able to survive for an long period of time while depressed in space before he eventually ended up on Thraxa.
• Accelerated Development (Physical Statistics) - Mark increased his speed by 65%, his endurance by 70%, and his strength by138% in just 90 days (3 months). This is far faster than normal humans which take 5 months on average to achieve a 27% increase.
• Resistance to Fire Manipulation - Mark was unfazed by Furnace's fire blasts.
• Resistance to Magma Manipulation - Mark was unharmed by bathing in lava.
• Resistance to Ice Manipulation - Viltrumites have been shown over and over to be able to survive in the vacuum of space, which freezes normal beings solid.
• Resistance to Biological Manipulation - Mark was able to get back up after getting hit by the mauler twins gun, which attacks the nervous system, despite every member of the guardians of the globe being instantly incapacitated by it.

Additionally, the longevity and age sections for all the viltrumites needs to be tweaked thanks to the show nerfing Omni-Mans age to less than 1000. This means all the profiles listing viltrumites age as over 2000 years old based on the comic needs to be adjusted to "Unknown" or "At least hundreds of years old". Also, there is no reference or source stating Conquest is 5000 years old, so if one is not provided that will need to go as well.
Edit: So the Conquest age was indeed bogus. However, since Conquest was visibly old when Nolan was Marks age, and Nolan looks like he does despite being nearly 1000, it should be safe to place him as 2000+. Same can be said for Thaedus in light of the most recent episode.

Viltrumites with Power Equal to or Greater than Omni-Man - Its been established in the show that strength increases are accompanied by speed increases as well. When going over how to fly, Omni-Man compared flying to tensing a muscle and its been consistently shown that stronger viltrumites also fly faster. With that in mind, any viltrumite on Omni-Mans level can be assumed to be as fast as him and should be capable of replicating his Flaxan homeworld feat. Therefore, Conquest, Thragg, Mark, and Anissa would receive:

• Explosion and Temperature Manipulation - Used by Omni-Man

All Viltrumite Survivors of the Scourge Virus -

• Enhanced Resistance to Disease Manipulation - Same reasoning as the comics except its more impressive because viltrumites already resist disease in the show.

Allen the Alien

• Flight should be changed to True Flight.
• Attack Reflection should be removed for the same reason as in the comics.
• Self-Sustenance (Type 1) - Unlike viltrumites, Allen has never been stated to have to hold his breath in space, and has been seen with his mouth open while in it.
• Regeneration (Low-Mid over time) - Was able to heal from the injuries the viltrumites gave him.
• Resistance to Radiation Manipulation - Has repeatedly flown in space with no issue.

Immortal

• Limited Resurrection (Mid)- Crazy how this isn't on his profile. Immortal can come back to life provided his body parts are close together or if he receives medical treatment to reattach his head or lower body.
• Change Flight to True Flight
• Space Survival - Was able to fight Allen in space.
• Resistance to Radiation Manipulation - Same justification.
• Resistance to Temperature Manipulation - Same justification.
• Resistance to Ice Manipulation - Same justification. Characters thrown into space in the invincible universe are shown to freeze solid.
• Remove Resistance to Poison Manipulation and Disease Manipulation - The justification doesn't have sources, so unless ones are provided it needs to go.
• Remove Regeneration as it falls under resurrection instead.

Battle Beast

• Space Survival - Was able to fight a viltrumite in space and later survived alone in it for an extended amount of time.
• Resistance to Radiation Manipulation - Same justification.
• Resistance to Temperature Manipulation - Same justification.

Agree: Arceus0x, Excellence616, [B]Random-Helper323[/B] (Neutral on some abilities), Tahoy49574, Hellbeast
Disagree: Cropfist (Certain abilities)

 

[Excellence616]

I agree

 

[Random-Helper323]

This seems okay at a glance, except I'm not sure about immortality for Allen.

Edit: actually, the points below are right. It slipped my mind Allen has telepathy as a primary ability. I think I'll switch to neutral until more discussion is had.

 

[Thermor]

Wouldn't it be better instead of self sustenance and resist to radiation, it would be changed to space survival?

 

[Tahoy49574]

Where's the Regeneration downgrade ?

Change Extrasensory Perception to just Enhanced Senses. The justification for it falls more in line with enhanced awareness.

It was agreed as Extrasensory Perception as it's more than likely linked to his telepathy

Remove Adaption since it's not reliant on his own powers but rather his genetic modification by Unopan scientists.

I don't get this one, all of Allen's powers are result of genetic modification specifically to withstand a viltrumite invasion

• Self-Sustenance (Type 1) - Allen can survive in space indefinitely.
• Resistance to Radiation Manipulation - Once again, Allen can survive in space indefinitely.

This is already covered by Space Survival

Enhanced Resistance to Disease Manipulation - Mark was able to recover from an improved version of the scourge virus thanks to his Argall lineage. This should also apply to Nolan as well.

I always figured Thragg was talking figuratively in this particular instance

 

[Tahoy49574]

Space Survival - Omni-Man was able to survive for an long period of time while depressed in space before he eventually ended up on Thraxa.

Last week's episode is a pretty good case against Self Sustenance lol. It's much more likely he made stops to take a breath and keep wandering through space

Accelerated Development (Physical Statistics) - Mark increased his speed by 65%, his endurance by 70%, and his strength by138% in just 90 days (3 months). This is far faster than normal humans which take 5 months on average to achieve a 27% increase.

It was sort of agreed here the multiplier was kinda bunk to use so dunno about this one

• Resistance to Fire Manipulation - Mark was unfazed by Furnace's fire blasts.
• Resistance to Magma Manipulation - Mark was unharmed by bathing in lava.
• Resistance to Ice Manipulation - Viltrumites have been shown over and over to be able to survive in the vacuum of space, which freezes normal beings solid.

Doesn't Resistance to Temperature Manipulation already cover these ? Also why not give them also to Comic since they have the same feats

Resistance to Vibration Manipulation - Mark was uninjured by Doc Seismic's vibration based attacks.

Isn't this just sheer durability ? Also same point as above

Resistance to Biological Manipulation - Mark was able to get back up after getting hit by the mauler twins gun, which attacks the nervous system, despite every member of the guardians of the globe being instantly incapacitated by it.

Shouldn't this also be Status Effect Inducement to a degree ? Also, same point as above

Limited Resurrection (Mid)- Crazy how this isn't on his profile.

His profile doesn't even have Type 1 Immortality

 

[Alexander]

Man we did forgot that Immortal had type 1 immortality...THE IMMORTAL!.
Anyway, also i think you should update the regeneration since Mark did in fact recover from getting his guts ripped out (and probably his spinel cord since it basically went right through him)

 

[FireSwordHero]

I think we should add one more thing to the Immortal's page - Reactive Evolution or Adaptation via resurrection.

In the show, the Immortal started out as a relatively human individual before his many death's and resurrections - to the point where even normal humans could kill him given how he was shot during his time as Abraham Lincoln. Towards the start of the series however, he was immensely more durable.

Later on, after his first death at Omni-man's hands, he was much more stronger the after his resurrection, not enough to kill Omni-man, but he lasted much longer than he did the first time.

A future version of immortal could also draw blood from season 3 invincible, though given that Mark was holding back and the Immortal was seeking death at the time, there's not really much that can be taken from this vs wise, but it is worth noting since the same invincible was much stronger than Immortal back in season 2. It's also worth noting that the Immortal hadn't died since he became king of earth in the future, but he had died enough times before then that he was much stronger than his season 2 self.

It's not viltrumite levels of strength, but the Immortal has shown his power can increase over time with each death he experiences.

 

[Tahoy49574]

It's not viltrumite levels of strength, but the Immortal has shown his power can increase over time with each death he experiences.

This sounds more like headcannon trying to make up the inconsistencies of the show, ngl. He was not anywhere near S3 Mark's level (who should be as strong as Nolan) in that fight, where he should be going all out as he wants to give him no choice but to kill him

Also, the show has not delved at all into Immortal's past besides that one flashback to say he's died multiple times. At least in the comics(way later than where the show is right now), he says he faked his death the moment he was shot to not blow up his cover. An ability like that should be more explicitely shown/acknowledged.

 

[FireSwordHero]

This sounds more like headcannon trying to make up the inconsistencies of the show, ngl. An ability like that should be more explicitly shown/acknowledged

Also, the show has not delved at all into Immortal's past besides that one flashback to say he's died multiple times. At least in the comics(way later than where the show is right now), he says he faked his death the moment he was shot to not blow up his cover

Fair enough, I'm not familiar with the comics, but since it was never stated in the show I assumed that he grew stronger with each resurrection given he went from being shot in the head to being superhuman in the modern day.

Additionally, the longevity and age sections for all the viltrumites needs to be tweaked thanks to the show nerfing Omni-Mans age to less than 1000. This means all the profiles listing viltrumites age as over 2000 years old based on the comic needs to be adjusted to "Unknown" or "At least hundreds of years old". Also, there is no reference or source stating Conquest is 5000 years old, so if one is not provided that will need to go as well.

Yeah sorry, the bit about Conquest being 5000 years old came from me. I was checking the sources and the ages of invincible characters on the wiki and it said it was 5000 years old but its not exactly reliable. I'm going to try and find out more.

It should be noted though that Conquest was already an old man by the time of the great purge however, and Nolan was born some time after the purge ended. With that in mind (and knowing Nolan is nearly 1000 years old by the start of the series), Conquest should easily be more than 1000, perhaps even 2000 or 3000 years old.

The great purge also established that Thragg was Grand Regent at the time, and he's much younger than Conquest overall, so Conquest should already be much older than 2000 years old minimum.

 

[FuriousFieryFist]

Wouldn't it be better instead of self sustenance and resist to radiation, it would be changed to space survival?

Space Survival doesn't entail certain abilities going by what the page says. Hence why its "possible uses" and not "uses". Putting only that would make it uncertain what abilities from space survival the character actually possesses. It'd be best to list the ones they do posses as well as space survival to indicate they can survive in space.

Where's the Regeneration downgrade ?

I have my problems with the way the wiki treats different levels of regeneration, but by the current definitions Viltrumites would be considered in this tier.

It was agreed as Extrasensory Perception as it's more than likely linked to his telepathy

The link you posted is a mod disagreeing with you. Nothing in the panel suggest his senses was related to his telepathy.

I don't get this one, all of Allen's powers are result of genetic modification specifically to withstand a viltrumite invasion

But that was done with outside help and is not an innate power he uses to say, adapt to a cold environment. It'd be the same as giving Captain America statistics amplification because he was given the super soldier serum. It not something he can innately do.

This is already covered by Space Survival

Space Survival only lists "possible uses" not "uses". Not all users of space survival have every ability that is listed on the page. It'd be better to specify which the character does and does not have.

I always figured Thragg was talking figuratively in this particular instance

That is possible. I was 50/50 on it myself. If that's the case then Mark still has enhanced disease resistance for surviving and only Omni-man is downgraded.

Last week's episode is a pretty good case against Self Sustenance lol. It's much more likely he made stops to take a breath and keep wandering through space

He was in there so they weren't detected by the viltrumites pursuing them. This is explicitly stated in the episode.

It was sort of agreed here the multiplier was kinda bunk to use so dunno about this one

These are scans and readings taken by the GDA noting his growth by direct measurements. Stated multipliers in fiction are almost never consistent, even more so in a show like this where everybody is relative to some degree no matter the difference in strength. The shows inconsistencies shouldn't disqualify a reliable quantitative statement because it doesn't align with our powerscaling rotted criteria. These types of statements narratively serve to portray author intent of a characters improvement. Authors are not powerscalers, and cant be expected to accurately portray differences in strength to the degree we as powerscalers determine as acceptable. Nevertheless, the intention of these statements is to serve as a author intended clear frame of reference for power growth for the casual reader and any non-egregious inconsistencies shouldn't disqualify it from being used.

Doesn't Resistance to Temperature Manipulation already cover these ? Also why not give them also to Comic since they have the same feats

Some fictions treat these as different, so I decided to list them all. The comics should have it as well (Minus ice manipulation) but I didn't feel like putting all that at the time. Might go back and edit the op to include it.

Isn't this just sheer durability ? Also same point as above

I actually agree; I'll remove it.

Shouldn't this also be Status Effect Inducement to a degree ? Also, same point as above

Not really? Anything can be status effect inducement if you stretch the term enough. The reason I wouldn't argue its due to just durability is because its said to attack the nervous system and it had the same effect on all the guardians, regardless of their strength. If it was purely just due to durability then the weaker guardians like Kate and Darkwing should be killed by it.

His profile doesn't even have Type 1 Immortality

In the show he's never stated to be immortal.

 

[FuriousFieryFist]

Yeah sorry, the bit about Conquest being 5000 years old came from me. I was checking the sources and the ages of invincible characters on the wiki and it said it was 5000 years old but its not exactly reliable. I'm going to try and find out more.

It should be noted though that Conquest was already an old man by the time of the great purge however, and Nolan was born some time after the purge ended. With that in mind (and knowing Nolan is nearly 1000 years old by the start of the series), Conquest should easily be more than 1000, perhaps even 2000 or 3000 years old.

The great purge also established that Thragg was Grand Regent at the time, and he's much younger than Conquest overall, so Conquest should already be much older than 2000 years old minimum.

I agree with that. There's enough evidence to suggest he's at the very least 2000 years old based on his apparent age during the scourge.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Basically every viltrumite posses the same powers and abilities, meaning every ability displayed by certain viltrumites should be applicable to the race as a whole. With that in mind every viltrumite would receive the following abilities:

Wouldn't it be easier to just make Viltrumites physiology page and add such abilities there, and then link this page in Viltrumites P&A? Instead of adding all these abilities to all individual pages

 

[Tahoy49574]

I have my problems with the way the wiki treats different levels of regeneration, but by the current definitions Viltrumites would be considered in this tier.

I meant adding "...over time" to TV Viltrumites' regeneration

The link you posted is a mod disagreeing with you. Nothing in the panel suggest his senses was related to his telepathy.

What ?

3.- I also couldn't quite get an answer on this, would this be Enhanced Awareness, Extra Sense, or Extrasensory Perception ? This is likely a playing into Allen's telepathy being particularly strong

Ah. I said Enhanced Senses was equally as likely before, but given the telepathy thing, I'll actually sign off on Extrasensory Perception. I agree that is the more likely answer.

Space Survival only lists "possible uses" not "uses". Not all users of space survival have every ability that is listed on the page. It'd be better to specify which the character does and does not have.

Is that how that works ? I figured listing Space Survival would already imply they have all of those, and if they're missing even one then they're just listed individually instead

He was in there so they weren't detected by the viltrumites pursuing them. This is explicitly stated in the episode.

What does Allen have to do here, aren't you arguing that ability for Omni-Man ?

In the show he's never stated to be immortal.

 

[FuriousFieryFist]

Wouldn't it be easier to just make Viltrumites physiology page and add such abilities there, and then link this page in Viltrumites P&A? Instead of adding all these abilities to all individual pages

I thought about that but If I did then basically every plot relevant character in invincible would have just that in there P&A section. None really display anything unique and it would make the profiles look extremely boring.

 

[FuriousFieryFist]

I meant adding "...over time" to TV Viltrumites' regeneration

Oh yeah, I probably should add that.

What ?

The link did not take me to that post. One of the linked pictures doesn't work and the other just shows them noticing his telepathic abilities they assume he has but actually come from his earpiece. I know they're part of the coalition but this was likely before kirkmen even thought that far ahead. Alternatively, this could have been before they joined to COA. The point is that nothing notes they have access to or know about the telepathic earpieces yet. The handbook that literally notes all of his abilities never say anything about his telepathy and even use a panel from him the same issue that statement was made. Regardless, just having telepathy doesn't mean you have extrasensory perception. All we have to work with is that single panel and what he says in it. And what he says can more likely be attributed to enhanced senses as opposed to extrasensory perception.

Is that how that works ? I figured listing Space Survival would already imply they have all of those, and if they're missing even one then they're just listed individually instead

A character can have all the abilities listed in space survival and still not be able to survive in space. We list it when a character is shown to be able to live in space unaided, the extra abilities that can come with it are just a bonus.

What does Allen have to do here, aren't you arguing that ability for Omni-Man ?

I got confused. No, I'm not arguing that for Omni-man or any of the viltrumites.

 

[Hellbeast]

This all looks good, I’d also note Thragg is active as regent when Nolan was a child so he’d also be thousands of years old

My suggestion is simply >1000 years old for Conquest, Thragg and those older then Nolan.

 

[FuriousFieryFist]

This all looks good, I’d also note Thragg is active as regent when Nolan was a child so he’d also be thousands of years old

My suggestion is simply >1000 years old for Conquest, Thragg and those older then Nolan.

Agree with Thragg being 1000+, but whats the problem with Conquest being 2000+? He's visably an older man then Nolan is when he's nearly 1000, and that was during the scourge when Nolan was 18. Just by aging signs we can say he was older than current Nolan (aka ~1000) and that was ~1000 years ago. 2000+ should be perfectly reasonable based on that alone.

 

[Hellbeast]

Agree with Thragg being 1000+, but whats the problem with Conquest being 2000+? He's visably an older man then Nolan is when he's nearly 1000, and that was during the scourge when Nolan was 18. Just by aging signs we can say he was older than current Nolan (aka ~1000) and that was ~1000 years ago. 2000+ should be perfectly reasonable based on that alone.

Eh nothing really, just feel it’s the simplest option without speculation

 

[FuriousFieryFist]

Eh nothing really, just feel it’s the simplest option without speculation

We already accept this type of speculation. Its extremely common for profiles to list likely age ranges based on visible aging characteristics. Even without that we can for sure say he's 1800+.

 

[Hellbeast]

We already accept this type of speculation. Its extremely common for profiles to list likely age ranges based on visible aging characteristics. Even without that we can for sure say he's 1800+.

Tbh I don’t really care about the ages so you do you, just a suggestion

 

[FuriousFieryFist]

I always figured Thragg was talking figuratively in this particular instance

I went ahead and changed the op to reflect this view. After going back and looking through the comic these panels kind of imply Argal blood is nothing special. On an unrelated note, you clearly know Invincible better than me. If the thread passes, I might need your help identifying who all should receive the viltrumite power updates. I don't recall all the viltrumites who survived the scourge virus off the top of my head.

 

[Tahoy49574]

I don't recall all the viltrumites who survived the scourge virus off the top of my head.

I mean, it would be all imperial ones that have a profile so Omni-Man, Conquest and Anissa. Thragg wasn't infected but I wouldn't be surprised if he survived had that been written

 

[Cropfist]

Resistance to Radiation Manipulation - Once again, Allen can survive in space indefinitely.

Fridge logic, there is no reference to radiation in Invincible's space physics.

Resistance to Plasma Manipulation - While Mark and Thragg did eventually begin to burn, they managed to have an extended fight in which they repeatedly dipped into the suns surface which is made of superheated plasma and withstood coronal mass ejections.

Scaling to something that killed them is a bad idea.

Resistance to Disease Manipulation - All remaining viltrumites that managed to overcome the scourge virus should be granted this since the disease wiped out 99.9% of their population. Suffice to say anyone who survived it was a cut above the rest when it came to natural disease resistance.

No proof they actively resist disease instead of being lucky, when it's shown even survivors were left in a weakened state.

Immortality (Type 2 & 3) - Conquest was able to survive and heal from the severe head injuries mark gave him without medical aid. Jumping the gun a bit but next episode mark will survive having his stomach sliced open and his organs being ripped out without immediate medical aid. (Will updated when episode comes out)

Immortality would mean they don't need to heal, which they do, their bodies can stop working from sheer damage. It is but low regeneration.

Limited Resurrection (Mid)- Crazy how this isn't on his profile. Immortal can come back to life provided his body parts are close together or if he receives medical treatment to reattach his head or lower body.

He cannot do this by himself, he needs external help to be revived.

 

[MrKerf]

Your scan for Allen's Radiation resistance doesn't say that he can survive indefinitely, but that he can do so without breathing, which is a big difference.

 

[Tahoy49574]

Scaling to something that killed them is a bad idea.

Dude, it was already explained in the other thread. Outright immunity isn't needed to be granted Resistance, it's relative

 

[Hellbeast]

Dude, it was already explained in the other thread. Outright immunity isn't needed to be granted Resistance, it's relative

This
Especiatlly when the oage already mentions smart atoms can only hold up temporarily to such heat

 

[FuriousFieryFist]

Fridge logic, there is no reference to radiation in Invincible's space physics.

The standard is to assume it behaves like real life unless proven otherwise. Nothing has ever indicated that space radiation isn't present in Invincible's universe. At this point your just arguing against wiki standards.

Scaling to something that killed them is a bad idea.

Characters can resist something that kills them man. Just because a character can't endure it indefinitely doesn't mean they don't survive a hell of a lot better than a normal human put in that situation. This is case and point, put a human in the plasma at the surface of a star and see if they survive an entire extended fight within it.

No proof they actively resist disease instead of being lucky, when it's shown even survivors were left in a weakened state.

There are many many factors that determine disease resistance. But in general to survive a disease that is otherwise fatal to the majority entails a higher degree of disease resistance than others . Whether this comes from genetic factors or immune response, the end result is one individuals immune system responds better to a disease than another's. That is by wiki definition and clinical definition enhanced resistance.

Immortality would mean they don't need to heal, which they do, their bodies can stop working from sheer damage. It is but low regeneration.

I agree with this. I will also remove type 3 as well because their regeneration is not combat applicable.

He cannot do this by himself, he needs external help to be revived.

Hence why it says "Limited Resurrection".

 

[Cropfist]

The standard is to assume it behaves like real life unless proven otherwise. Nothing has ever indicated that space radiation isn't present in Invincible's universe. At this point your just arguing against wiki standards.

Realistic space does not let people hold their breaths or create pressurized shockwaves, so there is your "otherwise".

Characters can resist something that kills them man. Just because a character can't endure it indefinitely doesn't mean they don't survive a hell of a lot better than a normal human put in that situation. This is case and point, put a human in the plasma at the surface of a star and see if they survive an entire extended fight within it.

Thragg is the absolute apex viltrumite, stronger than the rest by magnitudes, and he melted within a few minutes. Proportionally down-scaling the others would make their relative heat endurance negligible.

There are many many factors that determine disease resistance. But in general to survive a disease that is otherwise fatal to the majority entails a higher degree of disease resistance than others . Whether this comes from genetic factors or immune response, the end result is one individuals immune system responds better to a disease than another's. That is by wiki definition and clinical definition enhanced resistance.

They did not repel the infection's symptoms in any way. The survivors merely landed on the small probability of not dying. They clearly didn't build tolerance either given how terrified they are of it being unleashed again.

 

[FuriousFieryFist]

Realistic space does not let people hold their breaths or create pressurized shockwaves, so there is your "otherwise".

Viltrumites are far from normal people so the breath holding point is moot. To my knowledge the presence of shockwaves in space is not a valid enough detractor to invalidate common environmental assumptions in the same way characters moving hundreds of times the speed of sound in the earths atmosphere without massive collateral damage invalidates the properties and physics associated with air. Unless something explicitly disproves the presence of space radiation, shockwaves in space can be chalked up to creative liberties. This is the case with several other high profile verses depictions of space, some of which have much more egregious examples of creative liberties.

Thragg is the absolute apex viltrumite, stronger than the rest by magnitudes, and he melted within a few minutes. Proportionally down-scaling the others would make their relative heat endurance negligible.

This doesn't refute their resistance to it. A resistance is a resistance even if negligible, and surviving for as long as they did is by no means negligible.

They did not repel the infection's symptoms in any way. The survivors merely landed on the small probability of not dying. They clearly didn't build tolerance either given how terrified they are of it being unleashed again.

They indeed resisted it without tolerance which makes it more impressive. Them surviving is them repelling the infections symptoms. Viral infection operates by replicating within the hosts body while the immune system responds and adapts to attempt to destroy the viral load. There is no "getting lucky" and surviving it in the same way you could survive a large fall by landing a certain way, the "luck" is all genetics and immune response based. You either are able to fight it off faster than it can replicate and kill you, or you die; the surviving viltrumites did the former.

 

[Cropfist]

Viltrumites are far from normal people so the breath holding point is moot. To my knowledge the presence of shockwaves in space is not a valid enough detractor to invalidate common environmental assumptions in the same way characters moving hundreds of times the speed of sound in the earths atmosphere without massive collateral damage invalidates the properties and physics associated with air. Unless something explicitly disproves the presence of space radiation, shockwaves in space can be chalked up to creative liberties. This is the case with several other high profile verses depictions of space, some of which have much more egregious examples of creative liberties.

Viltrumites have very similar physiology to humans, and are vulnerable when it comes to organs, which is a recurring plot point. Their lungs would realistically rupture from rapid decompression. It should not be scientifically possible for their biology to store oxygen in a vacuum. Omni-Man is in fact shown to cause destructive air friction while flying through an atmosphere so that is not a good point.

This doesn't refute their resistance to it. A resistance is a resistance even if negligible, and surviving for as long as they did is by no means negligible.

There is no heat measurement to quantify. All they have is being weaker than a guy who briefly survived the sun. It is not a resistance when the degrees cannot be measured.

They indeed resisted it without tolerance which makes it more impressive. Them surviving is them repelling the infections symptoms. Viral infection operates by replicating within the hosts body while the immune system responds and adapts to attempt to destroy the viral load. There is no "getting lucky" and surviving it in the same way you could survive a large fall by landing a certain way, the "luck" is all genetics and immune response based. You either are able to fight it off faster than it can replicate and kill you, or you die; the surviving viltrumites did the former.

No resilience toward anything was displayed. It completely hollowed their powers out and made them sick as intended. It was an engineered bio-weapon that does not work like normal contagions. This counts about as much as "bullet resistance" for getting wounded by a gunshot and living.

 

[FuriousFieryFist]

There is no heat measurement to quantify. All they have is being weaker than a guy who briefly survived the sun. It is not a resistance when the degrees cannot be measured.

Well then only Thragg and Mark will qualify. If you have no problem with that.

No resilience toward anything was displayed. It completely hollowed their powers out and made them sick as intended. It was an engineered bio-weapon that does not work like normal contagions. This counts about as much as "bullet resistance" for getting wounded by a gunshot and living.

It is verbatim stated to be a virus. We know how viruses work and how they interact with human immune systems. It being bio-engineered does not mean it doesn't work like a normal virus, and is in fact, pure speculation on your end. Them getting sick and dying was the intended effect of the virus, some didn't which means its intended effect failed aka it was resisted.

 

[FuriousFieryFist]

This seems okay at a glance, except I'm not sure about immortality for Allen.

Edit: actually, the points below are right. It slipped my mind Allen has telepathy as a primary ability. I think I'll switch to neutral until more discussion is had.

Could you give your opinion on the new changes?

 

[FuriousFieryFist]

Bump

 

[FuriousFieryFist]

Bump

 

[Maikolpry]

I'd like to add that Invincible MIGHT also have Enhanced Hearing, based on this dialogue in season 3, episode 7, "What Have I Done?"

"[Gogglesvincible] I know you're in one of these. Let's see if we hit the jackpot.

[Robot] You know I can control my drones remotely.

[Gogglesvincible] Yeah, but I also know you well enough to detect a little fear in your voice, robot buddy."

 

[FuriousFieryFist]

I'd like to add that Invincible MIGHT also have Enhanced Hearing, based on this dialogue in season 3, episode 7, "What Have I Done?"

"[Gogglesvincible] I know you're in one of these. Let's see if we hit the jackpot.

[Robot] You know I can control my drones remotely.

[Gogglesvincible] Yeah, but I also know you well enough to detect a little fear in your voice, robot buddy."

Yeah, I think that can be chalked up as knowing Robot really well as opposed to super hearing. I can detect when my friends are lying as well because I know their cues after being with them for so long, not because I have superhuman hearing.

 

[FuriousFieryFist]

Any staff wanna give their opinions on this?

 

[Hellbeast]

Yeah, I think that can be chalked up as knowing Robot really well as opposed to super hearing. I can detect when my friends are lying as well because I know their cues after being with them for so long, not because i have superhuman hearing.

Yeah I definitely think that’s more IQ for Invincible but that’s just me

You could argue heightened senses elsewhere tho

 

[FuriousFieryFist]

Bumping, just need a staff to voice their opinion.