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It’s rewind time (Naruto Revisions Part 3: Kirin, finally)
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Sasori, Chiyo’s puppets, Omoi, maybe Post-Pain Arc Naruto, Samui, Edo Kinkaku and Ginkaku, the Juubi Spawn, Hinata, Shino and Kurenai. I might be forgetting some people.
Also if Shikamaru scales, Asuma would scale as well since he clashed kunai with him.
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Ay yo, didn't she have her forehead seal active by that time?
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Pretty sure it's just the Shadows, physically Shikamaru clashed only once against Hidan and didn't managed to harm him
Why BoS Sakura scales to BoS Kakashi again ?
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Cause her sheer strength scared the **** out of him.
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No? That was base Sakura.
Shikamaru physically scales to Hidan for slashing his throat open.
Sakura scales to Kakashi because, as her profile states, both Kakashi and Naruto were frightened by her strength.
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Yeah, Post-Rasenshuriken Training Naruto also scales above Kakashi as he admitted Naruto was stronger than him at that point.
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Oh, I thought we didn't used piercing damage but forgot how some people scale that way, my bad
Then things start to look a bit complicated, Kakashi = Hidan > Asuma = Shikamaru = Hidan ? Unless Hidan isn't equal to Kakashi despite clashing with him a few times, or Shikamaru > Asuma
Naruto* was, Kakashi was impressed but I don't think he was afraid of her to the point of her scaling to him, or scaling higher, sure the anime only scenes show something else by Sakura claiming to only need one punch but that's not in the manga. As her teacher, him noticing and being impressed by her growth is expected, it isn't the best way of scaling
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Kakashi wasn't sure of this actually, he said a few chapters after that Naruto was comparable to him, not quite stronger in every way
He scales, regardless
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So the Juubi Spawns would scale above Base Sakura since her punch only pushed one of them back.
So would Base Naruto and Base Sasuke (No Sharingan Active) scale to the Juubi Spawns since they were able to dispatch the first ones they fought against then moved on to the rest?
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Team Konohamaru + Kawaki iirc, Deepa, Boro, etc etc (via scaling to Omoi)
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Giving Kakashi another key does make things complicated, yes
Kakashi’s expression is not simply being impressed, that is very clearly fear.
He was likely referring to the power of the Rasenshuriken there, not Naruto’s base strength, but Post-Pain Arc base Naruto could scale above Kakashi.
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What is complicating is Shikamaru physically scaling to Hidan, we have a clear showing of what his punches did to him and what his weaponry did, one didn't had that much effect, the other slashed through him (worth pointing that the throat is a weaker spot on the body), the difference should be clear
We could just separate both and move on, the focus isn't on Kakashi really
How about 7-B+, 7-A with Weaponry and Shadows ?
I disagree but both sides, scaried or impressed, are rather hard to prove, so let them just scale to each other. I want to note, however, that her being outright superior to him is rather baseless considering only a possible scaried comic face, maybe there are some more scans to use ?
Well he did state that Naruto was comparable to him, this quote however doesn't seem to be focused on the Rasen Shuriken
Few chapters later Naruto eventually surpasses Jiraiya, so the progression seems to fit quite well
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There’s nothing complicated about scaling Shikamaru. He slashed Hidan’s throat open, period. Swinging a blade is not just “piercing damage go brrr”, most of the force is produced by you swinging your arm.
How about you make another CRT to give Kakashi another key instead of trying to add it into this one?
If you can terrify someone with your strength, chances are that you’re stronger than them. The majority of people agree with Sakura being physically superior to Kakashi, that’s why it was accepted during Part 1 of the revisions in the first place, so it’s clearly not baseless.
Yes, that’s Post-Pain Arc Naruto, I already said that he could scale to Kakashi.
Base Naruto isn’t going to be scaling above Jiraiya after the next revision, only Sage Mode.
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I don't understand why stamina would be the only thing affected by the Akatsuki Justsu when Kisame clearly say that their power is also limited.
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Isn't this CRT made to discuss scaling ? Kakashi's case is pure scaling
I say stick with UchihaSlayer's idea and who scales...scales
I know people agreed with it, wouldn't be on the profile if it wasn't, but here I'm making a case of holding such scaling to comparable, not stronger, let's see what the other think
Also, I wouldn't call that comic face as Kakashi being completely terrified, could be the case but his whole inner thoughts are about him being impressed by her evolution, which is impressive but not exactly proof of superiority with only that, they never show fear on Kakashi's side
That's before Pain Arc actually, chapter 343 to be more precise, sorry for not adding the number. Post Pain Arc Naruto has a > Jiraiya statement...I think ?
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Kakashi’s case would result in having to rework a large portion of the already accepted scaling, so yeah, it’d be better if it had its own CRT.
It genuinely doesn’t matter, the point is that Sakura would scale and then make several other characters scale.
In the official translations, Kakashi just says “You may even surpass me.” He doesn’t say that Naruto has already surpassed him or that he’s comparable to him.
With Sage Mode, yes.
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Well, I concede then, when someone makes the CRT I shall be resurrected
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Very well done, I agree. From the comments, it just needs a review as to which characters will and will not scale.
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I don’t think part 1 Naruto has any scaling to Kirin
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Oh, I might’ve forgotten it in the sandbox. Part I KN1 should be 7-A, via scaling above CS1 Sasuke.
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Part 1 CS1 Sasuke is scaling to Part 2 CS1 Sasuke?
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No, he scales above his base self, which upscales from Part I KN0 Naruto, who scales above Haku.
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Wasn’t Haku holding back + low on chakra from ice mirrors?
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I was referring to the other sandbox.
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Haku himself said that he couldn’t withstand Naruto’s chakra anymore and Naruto did harm him, so he he should scale.
This is what’s literally on his page smh
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Eh this thread is just a value update thread and not a scaling thread, so I won’t press further.
Edit: actually this thread proposes new scaling no? So is this a scaling thread too?
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I'm not going to argue against it, I'm just not personally happy that through extended scaling chains + backscaling we're scaling KN0 Naruto from the Land of Waves arc to a portion of Sasuke's Kirin calc. By the site rules, everything works out perfectly fine I'm sure - but it still follows the philosophy that the highest possible feat is the only thing that matters and all feats from the 390+ chapters prior are irrelevant.
As I said though, not going to argue, just venting.
As I said though, not going to argue, just venting.
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I don’t agree with KN0 scaling fully to Haku, but if this thread is just a value update I don’t wanna derail
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We can discuss scaling at another time, I am gonna have to make a thread to give Kakashi another key anyway, might as well make it a full scaling thing.
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Also if everyone’s okay, I can start applying this soon-ish.
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Real quick, issue with Haku and KN0 nd those who scale
Edit: Is this just a value update thread? I can bring it up in a future thread if that's fine
Edit: Is this just a value update thread? I can bring it up in a future thread if that's fine
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Yes, that is listed as the case in the sandbox.
Yeah, save that for a later revision. I’ll make a group chat about it on Discord or somethin so we can talk about it.
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My bad I didn’t catch it on first read!
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